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Urgent: Find Ayaz and Tahseen

B*U*S*T the War | 07.06.2003 21:52

Two medical students at the University of Birmingham have disappeared without trace after being detained by the Israeli authorities two weeks ago. After a period of no contact, their families learnt that they had been held in an Israeli prison but had now been released. The two have not been heard from since their "release"; their families do not even
know where they were being held.

** URGENT APPEAL FOR HELP - FIND AYAZ AND TAHSEEN! **


Two medical students at the University of Birmingham have
disappeared without trace after being detained by the Israeli
authorities two weeks ago. After a period of no contact,
their families learnt that they had been held in an Israeli
prison but had now been released. The two have not been heard
from since their "release"; their families do not even
know where they were being held.

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The students, Ayaz Ghani and Tahseen Chaudhry, are both
British-born Muslim men travelling on British passports.
They are both aged 23 and in the fourth year of a degree in
medicine. They had spent some weeks in South Africa as part
of their elective courses and had planned for a long time to
do a tour of the Middle East before returning to Birmingham.

They had visited Syria and Lebanon before entering the West
Bank from Jordan. Apparently they were detained there by the
Israelis, but their families had no idea what had happened to
them. They finally phoned the Foreign Office in desperation,
to be told that they were in an Israeli jail. The Foreign
Office had apparently been informed of their detention
within 24 hours as required by law, but had not passed this
information on to the families. They still do not know which
Israeli prison the students were detained in or where they
were released.

Ayaz eventually telephoned his family on the morning of
4th June saying that they had been held in an Israeli
jail for 11 days without being allowed to inform anyone
of where they were. Ayaz also texted a friend to say that
they had been charged with terrorism and espionage but then
released, and were being deported to Jordan. Tahseen, like
Ayaz, was permitted a brief phone call to his family, but
as they both said "we will call you from Jordan" to their
families the phone was cut off.

Since their "release" on 4th June, there has been no further
contact and it is not known whether they have been re-arrested
in Israel or detained in Jordan or elsewhere. The two were
due to catch a flight from Damascus to Dubai on the evening
of Saturday 7th June but they were not on the flight.

Samina, Tahseen's sister, also a former student of Birmingham
University, said: " It is extremely distressing not to know
what the physical and mental state of a member of your family
is after being detained for such a long period. We are
extremely disappointed that the Foreign Office has given us
no help whatsoever. These two boys are lost between two
countries. Nobody knows where they are. Both are known to
be hard-working students. They have just over a year to
become fully-qualified doctors. They have never committed
any offence. They are just two students who enjoy travelling."



QUESTIONS NEEDING URGENT ANSWERS:


1. Where are Ayaz and Tahseen now?

2. Why are they not being allowed to communicate with their
families and friends?

3. Who is responsible for their welfare?

4. Why did the Foreign Office not inform their families of
their detention in Israel for 11 days?

5. Why was the British Embassy not given access to them?

6. In which Israeli jail were they being held?

7. Were they formally charged with any offence? If so,
what offence and on what evidence?

8. Were they produced in a court of law to answer charges?

9. Were they at any time given access to a lawyer?

10. Where were they released and into whose custody?


WHAT YOU CAN DO:

1. If you are a student or member of staff at the University of
Birmingham, ask the University authorities what they are
doing to secure the release and safe return of their students.

Send a politely worded e-mail to David Allen, the Registrar and
Secretary of the University of Birmingham, at:  d.j.allen@bham.ac.uk


2. If you live in a Birmingham constituency, ask your Member of
Parliament to take up the above questions as a matter of
urgency. The Choudhrys' MP is Steve McCabe but his emergency
phone number is not publicly available so if anyone knows it
please contact him urgently.

To find your MP use one of the links on the following page:

 http://web.bham.ac.uk/sue_blackwell/politics/index.html#MPs


3. Write courteously but strongly worded letters of protest to
the following (letters to Ambassadors should begin "Your
Excellency"):


Tzvi Shtauber
Embassy of Israel
2 Palace Green
London
W8 4QB


Foreign and Commonwealth Office,
King Charles Street,
London SW1A 2AH


Jordanian Embassy
6 Upper Philimore Gardens

Phone: 44 (0)171 937 3685
Fax: 44 (0)171 937 8795

(If you have working e-mail addresses for any of the above please send
them to  s.a.blackwell@bham.ac.uk so that we can include them in future
mailings).

This appeal is being sent by the Birmingham University Palestinian Society
and the Birmingham University againST the War society (BUSTW), with the
agreement of the Choudhry family.

For further information contact:

Josie Sandercock (mobile:) 07817-554-814
Sue Blackwell (work, with voicemail:) 0121-414-3219.

B*U*S*T the War
- Homepage: http://students.bugs.bham.ac.uk/palestinian

Comments

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Questions

07.06.2003 23:23

Some questions for you:

What were they doing entering a warzone where they would be clearly identifiable as Palestinian sympathisers and in the light of the two recent British passport holding suicide bombers, terrorist sympathisers or even wannabe killers themselves?

If they wanted to help the Palestinian people peacefully, why did they not arrange a visit via an organisation like the International Solidarity Movement, or at least notify someone of their intentions?

Is it unheard of for young undergraduates to travel and be 'economical with the truth' about their movements, especially if they are trying to impress? 'charged with terrorism and espionage but then released, and were being deported to Jordan' does not ring true in the slightest. Why would they be deported to Jordan, if they held British passports? Why would they be released at all if they had been charged (you later ask IF they've been charged!)

No sympathy until you can demonstrate to a reasonable degree that a) they were in the west bank and b) they were there to help and not to kill.

KHJ


innocent until PROVED guilty

08.06.2003 08:48

... is the way reasonable people do it mate!

You have any evidence - present it.

Conjecture and prejudice do not amount to evidence - they are your opinions.

Sounds like they were being set up in the classic oft repeated mossad trick, to take the blame for some convenient attrocity ... I have no proof, only the evidence of more than a few EXTREMLY well documented occassions when similar deciet has been attempted.

That is my opinion.

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com


Something fishy

08.06.2003 10:52

You mean you honestly don't think there's something fishy going on? Why appeal on here, why no mention of contacting the British consulate?

Innocent until proven guilty - absolutely, but there's a serious lack of information here. Two young muslim men go to the west bank without telling anyone their intentions, where, when and why - and then disappear. There could be a hundred reasons, some to do with Mossad and some not. There's no certainty they were anywhere NEAR the west bank!

CONTACT THE BRITISH CONSUL!  http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029391035

 http://www.prisonersabroad.org.uk

KHJ


Missing the point

08.06.2003 13:11

Someone seems to be missing the point. These guys disappeared over 2 weeks ago. When the families contacted the Foreign Office they were informed that they had been imprisoned but had by then been released.

Apart from a cut off phone call and a text message from the boys, no more news. Doesn't anyone find it shocking that:

- the FO didn't contact the families immediately (the Embassy was informed within 24 hours of the arrest)

- the Embassy couldn't gain access to them at all during the period (and so we can assume no legal representation was allowed in either - since the Embassy would have been responsible for organising a lawyer for them)

- the Embassy doesn't appear to know where they were being held, let alone where they were released, if they were released

What faith can anyone have in their receiving fair treatment when the British government has failed in carrying out even it's most basic duty of care, apparently rolling over in the face of the usual Israeli obstruction tactics. Anyone who thinks they might spontaneously receive fair treatment at the hands of an Israeli government which routinely violates international law and the norms of human conduct is living on a different planet.

Nala1917


For all we know

08.06.2003 13:25

Two young male undergraduates don't call home for a couple of weeks after going on holiday together. THE SCANDAL!

They're probably both sipping beer in a titty bar somewhere, hatching up a story about training with Hamas

KHJ


Countering KHJ's stereotyping

10.06.2003 10:02

Given that these two are not known to KHJ I find it insulting that KHJ suggest that two of my medical students might have been killers. Is this an accusation that KHJ levels at every holder of a British passport or only the one million that are Muslim?

There are more practicing Muslims in Britain than any other religion and about one in every five Birmingham University medical school entrants is Muslim. Our National Health Service is busy trying to stamp out exactly this kind of racist and Islamophobic stereotyping. Clearly it is pretty widespread.

The test or racism is to substitute another ethnic group. Imagine the UK detained a US citizen under similar circumstances. Would KHJ argue that this was justified as IRA and Real IRA terrorism has been funded from the USA for 30 years and therefore US citizens are all suspect? Or that this only applied to US citizens of Irish extraction?

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Our students are within a year of graduation and recently won a prize for their research project on the effects of gestational diabetes on different ethnic groups. They were since invited to present their research findings at an international conference (International Diabetes Federation) in Paris this August. Hardly the profile of die-hard terrorists.

They were on their elective period (when medical students often travel abroad) and had just returned from working in a trauma unit in South Africa. Many medical students take the opportunity to visit other areas at the same time. During my own elective period (many years ago) I remember travelling extensively in East Africa between working in rural hospitals. Clearly, visiting Palestine was a mistake. But it is easy to make mistakes when you are young and an EU citizen. International travel in Europe is routine and hazard free - it is easy to forget how complicated it may be elsewhere. During my own elective I overstayed my visa and narrowly avoided summary deportation.

KHJ's does not believe that our students were deported to Jordan. I can't imagine why. Nor is his disbelief borne out by subsequent facts. The latest news is that thay may have been detained by Jordanian authorities since their release and deportation from Israel.

The suggestion that two young Muslims would be "sipping beer" is either deliberately insulting or astonishingly stupid.

The facts are that:

- they were arrested
- they were held incommunicado in Israel for 11 days
- the Foreign Office were contacted but failed to inform their families
- they failed to show in Jordan
- they missed a flight they were supposed to take on 7th June

Doctors and future doctors learn to by sympathetic in the face of human suffering. KHJ seems to lack this basic capacity. Perhaps if this happened to a member of KHJ's family he might understand and show a little more concern.

Tom M


Countering KHJ's stereotyping

10.06.2003 10:12

Given that these two are not known to KHJ I find it insulting that KHJ suggest that two of my medical students might have been killers. Is this an accusation that KHJ levels at every holder of a British passport or only the one million that are Muslim?

There are more practicing Muslims in Britain than any other religion and about one in every five Birmingham University medical school entrants is Muslim. Our National Health Service is busy trying to stamp out exactly this kind of racist and Islamophobic stereotyping. Clearly it is pretty widespread.

The test of racism is to substitute another ethnic group. Imagine the UK detained a US citizen of Irish extraction under similar circumstances. Would KHJ argue that this was justified as IRA and Real IRA terrorism has been funded from the USA for 30 years and therefore such US citizens are all suspect? Or would it be justified for the US to detain every Jewish citizen just because Jonathon Pollard (jailed since 1987) turned out to be an Israeli spy? I abhor this kind of stereotyping. KHJ clearly does not.

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Our students are within a year of graduation and recently won a prize for their research project on the effects of gestational diabetes on different ethnic groups. They were since invited to present their research findings at an international conference (International Diabetes Federation) in Paris this August. Hardly the profile of die-hard terrorists.

They were on their elective period (when medical students often travel abroad) and had just returned from working in a trauma unit in South Africa. Many medical students take the opportunity to visit other areas at the same time. During my own elective period (many years ago) I remember travelling extensively in East Africa between working in rural hospitals. Clearly, visiting Palestine was a mistake. But it is easy to make mistakes when you are young and an EU citizen. International travel in Europe is routine and hazard free - it is easy to forget how complicated it may be elsewhere. During my own elective I overstayed my visa and narrowly avoided summary deportation.

KHJ's does not believe that our students were deported to Jordan. I can't imagine why. Nor is his disbelief borne out by subsequent facts. The latest news is that thay may have been detained by Jordanian authorities since their release and deportation from Israel.

The suggestion that two young Muslims would be "sipping beer" is either deliberately insulting or astonishingly stupid.

The facts are that:

- they were arrested
- they were held incommunicado in Israel for 11 days
- the Foreign Office were contacted but failed to inform their families
- they failed to show in Jordan
- they missed a flight they were supposed to take on 7th June

Doctors and future doctors learn to by sympathetic in the face of human suffering. KHJ seems to lack this basic capacity. Perhaps if this happened to a member of KHJ's family he might understand and show a little more concern.

TM
mail e-mail: **********
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Countering Tom M's deliberate misdirection

10.06.2003 16:57

The only 'fact', not based on heresay or rumour, is that they missed their flight. You do not know (or if you do, you have not demonstrated a remotely reliable source) anything else is true.

You do not know they were detained in Israel, you do not know they were deported to Jordan (and explain how that is likely - what precedent is there of British citizens being deported to Jordan?), you do not know they have been detained in Jordan. ALL you can say for certain is that they missed their flight.

The other question you have to answer is why they were in the West Bank. If it was for humanitarian reasons, why did they not notify someone? You claim they are intelligent - so why did they enter a warzone without making any safety arragements beforehand? There are two likely reasons; they were incredibly reckless and not as intelligent as you claim - or, their purpose required them to travel in secrecy.

Under the circumstances it seems perfectly reasonable to suspect their motives.

I do not think every Muslim is a terrorist, but when two Muslims from a city notorious for Islamofascists travel to the West Bank in secrecy, is it unreasonable to have suspicions?

re: Islamofascists
 http://www.al-bab.com/yemen/artic/gdn39.htm
 http://www.observer.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,636444,00.html
 http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/sterr.htm ... etc etc... go to the sites and do a ctrl-f for Birmingham.

I hope this answers your question about 'every British passport holder or just the one million that are Muslim'.

OK, the sipping beer comment was unnecessary and highly flippant. My intention was to underline the fact that you have no reliable information as to where they were, what they were doing, or what happened to them.

KHJ