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What if there are no WMDs?

Dan Ellis | 05.06.2003 23:42

Following back from the observation that no WMDs have so far been found in Iraq, how does this affect our view of the past 12 years?

What if there are no WMDs?

No WMDs have been found in Iraq. It's quite possible that the lorries so far
found were not for generating chemical weapons but simply hydrogen for
weather balloons. Maybe, as secretary Rumsfeld suggests, the Iraqi's had
destroyed all WMDs before the war commenced. Perhaps even, the reason why the
arms inspectors couldn't find any WMDs was because there were none there to
be found, despite the suggestive intelligence accrued by the west. However,
the threat on the Iraqi nation was great. If any scientist was found to have
led the inspectors to believe that there was a weapons programme, there would
have been grounds for attack, surely that would be good reason for those
scientists to be sure that they had on record what they had said so that
their words couldn't be taken out of context, and to be castigated for that
by a notoriously strict regime - I'd want to have a recording of what I said
in interview in such circumstances. What if the Al-Samoud 2 couldn't actually
fly further than 186 miles? We only have third party calculations to suggest
otherwise.

Let me paint a picture: following the apparent carte-blanche to invade Kuwait
given by April Glaspie, at a point when Iraqi-American relations were pretty
good, Saddam Hussein loses patience with one of the funders of his defence of
the Arab nations from Iran after they refuse to stop charging interest on the
money lent to fund the war which is destabilising the Iraqi economy, and
continue to drain oil from disputed fields on the border. Receiving backing
from the US, Kuwait stands by it's position, and resultantly gets invaded.
Saddam has overstepped his mark, and the US completely lose interest in him.

After being fought back to the original territorial positions, Saddam easily
manages to contain an uprising instigated by the US unfortunately at a huge
cost to life. Faced with a harsh UN charter of weapons inspections, the
regime in typically totalitarian fashion issues an edict that all traces of
WMD programmes should be eradicated to avoid any further recrimination.
Anyone letting be known any WMD activities would face harsh consequences from
the regime, so an air of frightened secrecy abounds. In 1995 the chief of the
weapons development project defects after life has become intollerable in
Iraq and confesses to western intelligence that all WMD research has ceased
and all materiel evidence destroyed. However, he has some personal research
papers stored on his home farm, which the west pounce on as evidence of
continued weapon development.

Having followed a very successful programme of weapons destruction, some of
the inspectors become increasingly suspicious that not all of the programmes
which were active have been disclosed (in fact largely because a number of
them were secretly wound up). After discovering for example that VX gas had
been produced, this having previously denied by the regime (since it was part
of their secret programme of renunciation), the suspicious inspectors
increasingly turned their attention to the records of state, which were
understandably very sensitive to the regime. After refusal to open all
records to the inspectors, the inspectors were removed by the UN and Iraq was
severely bombarded by cruise missiles. It had appeared to the Iraq regime,
and was subsequently corroborated, that the UN inspectors had an element of
military spying producing targets for the subsequent attack.

Amongst the increasingly hazy intelligence view of the situation, it was now
very hard to verify the veracity of facts extracted from the country, and was
easy to produce a dossier damning the country for continuing to produce WMDs.
The on going secrecy of the regime only hindered its image, and the fact it
had been so secretive in the past made it look all the more guilty, to the
extent that despite not having UN mandate, there was sufficient public
backing for the US and UK to invade and topple the regime.

Dan Ellis
- e-mail: dan@pod51.demon.co.uk

Comments

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Another Realist classic.

06.06.2003 09:46

Arf arf, Realist. The inspectors were allowed in and were allowed to visit anywhere they wanted to in Iraq. What part of that was 'nonco-operation'?

The stated case that Iraq didn't co-operate was something along the lines of 'We know you've got weapons, you haven't shown us any, therefore you're not co-operating'. It rests on the assumption that Iraq had these weapons and it falls to pieces if Iraq is shown not to have weapons of mass destruction.

Try again, surRealist. One of these days, you might even come up with a half-decent argument...

Aim Here


Dear Aim Here

06.06.2003 10:05

I know it's tempting, but please try not to respond to Realist's tiresome spammy provocations. It really does only encourage him.

Realish


Co-operation

06.06.2003 10:38

Hans Blix? Would that be the Hans Blix that wrote:

"Since we arrived in Iraq, we have conducted more than 400 inspections covering more than 300 sites. All inspections were performed without notice, and access was almost always provided promptly. In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming."
and
"In my 27 January update to the Council, I said that it seemed from our experience that Iraq had decided in principle to provide cooperation on process, most importantly prompt access to all sites and assistance to UNMOVIC in the establishment of the necessary infrastructure. This impression remains, and we note that access to sites has so far been without problems [...] ."
to the UN Security Council on the 14th of February 2003?

Sure, Saddam had to be coerced into cooperating, but he eventually did so.

And I don't agree with the basis of your argument that war is justified even if he wasn't cooperating. Legally it was the UN Security Council's job to decide if an invasion is justified, and the UK and US avoided putting a resolution up for the simple reason that they'd lose. The moral case is different still - the US and Israel and Russia and the UK are all dangerous warlike states which certainly stockpile these weapons without inspections, and I don't believe that a 'preventative'war is justified against any of them.
Though when Kzyrgystan invades the UK to 'liberate' us because inspectors aren't allowed to visit Porton Down and Faslane, I'll be out on the streets bashing Tony Blair's picture with a shoe...

As for not responding to Realist - I can't see why not.
He may be a troll, but he does make some attempt at argument, however badly, and countering whatever points he makes does sharpen our wits when we have to talk to real people...

Aim Here


Have more faith!!!!

06.06.2003 13:41

Have faith, folks!!!!

Bliar said to have patience, give Him time....

There WILL be WMDs.

PLENTY.

1400 "Special" intelligence people are out to plant- ooops sorry! find them.

And they will.

The experts are from the US, UK and Australia.

So naturally they will do the best job.

Tonkin


A Safer Place?

06.06.2003 14:15

You've got to give Blair/Bush credit though, a war in Iraq has made the world a much safer place. It’s a good job their T.W.A.T (The War Against Terror) is working and stopping terrorist attacks (Please forget what happened in Saudi Arabia and Morocco seeing as we are forgetting that this war was based on WMD that we KNEW existed) other wise we might need to be really scared.

After all the fuss they made about "knowing" that Iraq has these weapons it seems they are taking a long time finding them. Could it be that maybe Saddam hadn't accounted for all the weapons that were sold to him by the west in the 80's? Why not produce our invoices as evidence surely we kept records of what we sold to him?

The sad thing is even if these experts do plant/find weapons they'd only be accurate if they have "made in America" or "Product of the UK" printed on the side.
Makes you proud doesn't it?

It must be economics at its best: first we sell them weapons, then we buy bombs off our weapons industry because of these weapons and then we get to hand out contracts to who we want to rebuild what we've destroyed!

No use


Don't play Realist's game

06.06.2003 18:20

The best way to deal with this pathetic twat is to JUST IGNORE HIM. It would drive him nuts!

Thomas J


Yeah Ignore Him

06.06.2003 22:13

I agree, ignore the pathetic brainwashed arsehole, he is only repeating the obscene propaganda that was spewed out of Government Ministers mouths on average two days ago!

Stuey
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Spam, wonderful spam...

07.06.2003 11:15

I have no fixed views about responding to trolls or their spamming, or not. If I'm in the mood, I like to take a pop at "Realist", although he/she does show some emotional control. It's the Zionist apologists I really enjoy going for because they are pleasingly shrill, like a toy that squeaks when you squeeze it.
Responding to trolls can also be good debating practice. But often I can't be bothered.

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