Fascist Israel prepares for genocide
Boycott Israeli Goods | 03.05.2003 17:41
As the Nazi's sought to eradicate the Jews by murder, now the Zionists seek the ethnic cleansing of the entire Palestinian population. Boycott has never been more urgent.
Ha'aretz
Saturday, May 3rd
Tourism Minister Benny Elon left last night for the United States, where he will try to persuade members of congress that a Palestinian state in the spirit of President George Bush's vision will only feed terrorism and that Jordan is Palestine.
Elon will present the officials with his version of a "Marshall Plan" for the Middle East, which is based on naturalizing the Palestinians in Jordan, dismantling the Palestinian Authority and applying Israeli sovereignty from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea. Admitting he is opposed to President Bush's "vision," Eilon claims his solution is also a two-state one.
He has close ties with fundamentalist and evangelical Christians and through them, has been exerting pressure on congressmen and officials to persuade Bush's administration to drop the idea of a Palestinian state. Elon says that Jordan fulfills all the criteria of a Palestinian state.
His plan consists of six stages:
l The PA, "an entity without a future, and whose existence prevents the end of the dispute," will be dismantled immediately.
l Israel will use its military and political power to destroy all the Palestinian terror infrastructure. The refugee camps will be torn down. Terrorists will be deported.
l Israel, the U.S. and the international community will recognize Jordan as the only legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. Jordan will grant citizenship to all Arabs of the West Bank, Gaza and other Palestinians who want it.
l The international community will concentrate efforts on long-term development of Jordan, to enable it to absorb a limited number of refugees.
l The international community will allocate resources to complete the population exchange that began in 1948, with refugees getting citizenship in various countries.
l "After dismantling the PA, vanquishing terror, granting Jordanian-Palestinian citizenship, applying Israeli sovereignty between the Jordan and the sea, taking down the refugee camps and rehabilitating their inmates, Israel and Jordan-Palestine will declare the end of the dispute and establish neighborly and cooperative relations, and act together toward normalization between Israel and the Arab states.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=289389&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
For info on what Jews opposed to the demented regime of Ariel Sharon think, you could try -
http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/
http://www.btselem.org/
http://www.bigcampaign.org.uk/
http://www.tikkun.org/
http://www.divest-from-israel-campaign.org/
http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html
Saturday, May 3rd
Tourism Minister Benny Elon left last night for the United States, where he will try to persuade members of congress that a Palestinian state in the spirit of President George Bush's vision will only feed terrorism and that Jordan is Palestine.
Elon will present the officials with his version of a "Marshall Plan" for the Middle East, which is based on naturalizing the Palestinians in Jordan, dismantling the Palestinian Authority and applying Israeli sovereignty from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea. Admitting he is opposed to President Bush's "vision," Eilon claims his solution is also a two-state one.
He has close ties with fundamentalist and evangelical Christians and through them, has been exerting pressure on congressmen and officials to persuade Bush's administration to drop the idea of a Palestinian state. Elon says that Jordan fulfills all the criteria of a Palestinian state.
His plan consists of six stages:
l The PA, "an entity without a future, and whose existence prevents the end of the dispute," will be dismantled immediately.
l Israel will use its military and political power to destroy all the Palestinian terror infrastructure. The refugee camps will be torn down. Terrorists will be deported.
l Israel, the U.S. and the international community will recognize Jordan as the only legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. Jordan will grant citizenship to all Arabs of the West Bank, Gaza and other Palestinians who want it.
l The international community will concentrate efforts on long-term development of Jordan, to enable it to absorb a limited number of refugees.
l The international community will allocate resources to complete the population exchange that began in 1948, with refugees getting citizenship in various countries.
l "After dismantling the PA, vanquishing terror, granting Jordanian-Palestinian citizenship, applying Israeli sovereignty between the Jordan and the sea, taking down the refugee camps and rehabilitating their inmates, Israel and Jordan-Palestine will declare the end of the dispute and establish neighborly and cooperative relations, and act together toward normalization between Israel and the Arab states.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=289389&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y For info on what Jews opposed to the demented regime of Ariel Sharon think, you could try -
http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/ http://www.btselem.org/ http://www.bigcampaign.org.uk/ http://www.tikkun.org/ http://www.divest-from-israel-campaign.org/ http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html
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NO anti-semites on IndyMedia
03.05.2003 18:04
I can't understand why such nuts post articles/comments on IndyMedia so often. About half the posts here are wierd fanatically and insanely anti-Zionists, who usually mix Zionism with Judaism and blame Jews for everything. And then theres also the occasional one going on about Palestinian terror, which always leave at the terror Palestinians live in under the Israeli occupation, saying 'oh but we didn't mean to kill innocents' etc.
The occupation is wrong, unjustified, and unneccessarily brutal. If the Israelis were as serious as peace as they claim then they could just withdraw back to the old borders, the PLO would then have to hold elections etc or it would be called a dictatorship, and then if they continued terrorism/not going after the terrorists then they are the bad side. Maybe Hamas would continue, but without the occupation they would lose support probably, and they were initially set up by Israel remember.
Anyway back to my original point.
Israelis/Jews are NOT Nazis and do NOT control America/the world. Those are just the usual anti-semitic conspiracy theories, which most often trace back to fascists and are based on forged/invented 'evidence', and fill in huge gaps with 'ah so this means that they are doing this with these people, but wait a minute, those people are doing that... ahh they must be doing that because they want them to do that so they can do the other thing' etc.
IndyMedia says in its thing that they want a better world, cooperation etc, and anti-semitism (either against Jews or Arabs), is the complete opposite of that. You lot make IndyMedia really annoying sometimes, every other post theres an article or comment about how Jews (or Israelis depending on how wanting-not-to-seem-like-an-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theorist-like-they-are the person is) control everything or rule everything or did this or that or whatever. There are tonnes of anti-Semitic or conspiracy sites of forums you could post your rubbish at.
hj
Nothing here denying Israel's right to exist
03.05.2003 18:30
Yes, anti-Semities are not welcome on IndyMedia, but neither are bigots like you with your "all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic" rehtoric. And since you haven't read the article, you don't really have any right to pass judgement on it.
You are the weakest link, goodbye.
Thomas J
What a plonker
03.05.2003 18:32
What a plonker
Wake up folks! The Zionist minions want to bury EVERY criticism of their degenerate policies and stifle ALL debate.
That's why they won't allow observers into the Occupied Territories, and those that make it, they murder.
Journalists
ISM volunteers
UN workers
All murdered without consequence.
B.I.G
reply
03.05.2003 18:53
'but neither are bigots like you with your "all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic" rehtoric'
I am not like that at all. I am generally pro-Palestinian and my general view is that Israel is the bad one and that the Palestinian 'terror' is a response to the brutal occupation. However, I find odd fanatical anti-Zionism very wierd, and there are a lot of posts here by odd fanatical anti-Zionists where they claim that the war on Iraq was for Israel, the US government is controlled by Jews, etc. THAT is what is anti-semitic, even if they don't think it is, because they all root back to and are a part of the 'theres a Jewish-Bolshevik/Jewishbankers/Jewish-Zionist conspiracy' theorists.
hj
and to B.I.G.
03.05.2003 19:20
You should have agreed with me that theres a lot of anti-semites on IndyMedia, and that they ruin it. I am not trying to stifle debate, and if you'd bothered to read my post properly you would see I'm on the same side of the debate as you, but I was asking all the anti-semitic conspiracy theorists to go away, and was hoping others would agree and tell them to fuck off etc, as this site is supposed to be against racism and so on.
My main reason for posting that post is because people keep posting anti-semitic comments about Zionists controlling the world etc, and it gets really annoying, just like all the neo-Nazis who keep posting anti-gay etc articles.
I expect you two aren't anti-semitic and I'm not accusing you (or the main poster here) of being anti-semitic, I just posted that because I keep reading the comments on articles about Israel and some are very anti-semitic, and I was kind of trying to provoke an argument between them and the non-anti-semitic people on here, and get them to go away.
Israel is America's minion, not the other way round, and I think a lot of people on here (or some neway) don't get that.
hj
Fair comment hj
03.05.2003 19:56
I have no problem with Jews as a people, or Judaism as a religion, but I have a major problem with the people who are running the Israeli goverment at the moment, they are tarnishing the reputation of Israel, the Israelis, and of the Jewish people.
Appologies for jumping to conclusions about you, thanks for explaining things.
Thomas J
another reply
03.05.2003 20:34
At the moment I'm just quite wound up about the anti-semites, the neo-Nazis, homophobes, right-wingers etc who post on here.
hj
No Argument
03.05.2003 21:00
Denier
Actual article quite interesting
03.05.2003 21:34
In the actual article Israel is not proposing "genocide", but ethnic cleansing. Amusing that the guy is the tourism minister. The native population are always the fly in the ointment of a holiday. Other tourism ministers must be envious of this guy's remit.
Is this Israel's actual agenda?
They'd love it, but are they going to get it?
Eventually maybe?
Reck
Hahah
03.05.2003 23:53
Does anyone even know what a "zionist" is anymore? A zionist is ANYONE, ANYWHERE, OF ANY RELIGION, who supports the existence of a jewish nation-state. You don't have to actually live in Israel, or be jewish, or be rich, or be poor, or be ANYTHING to be a zionist. All you have to be is a human being who supports the existence of Israel. That's what a zionist is.
So, it's pretty funny seeing lunatics rant that "zionist bankers control the world." Such statements can only be perceived in two ways (1) he's saying rich jews control the world - why single out the religion of the bankers or anyone?) or (2) he's saying he's an ignorant fool who doesn't even know what he's talking about.
These anti-"zionist" lunatics are funny. Well, kinda scary, too. They're like ignorant, rabid idiots.
haha
Facts
03.05.2003 23:57
And then, about 75% of it was taken away and turned into Jordan.
The vast majority of citizens of Jordan are "Palestinian." Only now they're called "Jordanians."
The reality is, there already is a Palestinian state. It's Jordan. THe only thing separating them from the current Palestinians is the border of Jordan and that Jordan won't take them in as citizens if they want to move there.
If hte west bank and gaza become a Palestinian state, it would be hte second Palestinian state. There's already one.
Those are FACTS. Mix that in with your perspective. If you care about reality, that is.
Fax
Also
04.05.2003 00:00
What's amazing is that 20% of Israeli citizens, with full rights in every way, are arab and muslim. Yet arab countries revoked the citizenship of their jews and like the nazis, either killed them or chased them out. But no one likes to ponder that. It's almost like the world EXPECTS arab countries to behave like shit, yet holds Israel to a standard that cannot be reached considering who they are dealing with.
Also
brilliant hj -well deflected
04.05.2003 02:41
Someone posts a highly significant news item, straight from an Israeli newspaper, with only a tiny line of adverse introduction, and you jump in with a reply which is completely inappropriate. You even have the cheek to admit that this is a comment you wrote for another purpose, which you dumped here simply because you saw a posting on Israel.
Does it not occur to you hj, that you can CREATE A NEW ARTICLE YOURSELF at any time, and that your explanation shows either that you are stupid, or that you dumped your irrelevant stuff here to deflect the serious discussion that this highly significant and worrying report merited.
If this was your intention, you succeeded brilliantly.
I find that the Haraatz article sends a chill down my spine. For a govt spokesman to make such a statement confirms all my worst and growing suspicions about the intentions of the Israeli govt, and the likelihood that they will try to scuttle the road map.
You are tired of comments you can convince yourself are anti-semitic. I am tired of people like you trying to deflect valid discussion. Do you not see that the significance of this posting - the thing worth discussing - is the appalling things the ISRAELI MINISTER SAID. There are far far too many of these "deflecting" response on indymedia, in which someone replies to insignificant elements in an article, avoiding recognition of its significant thrust. Yours is a particularly repulsive example. It seems to happen particularly in this Israeli context.
Why on earth deflect us onto discussing the brief paragraph which some unknown anonymous indymedia posting nobody (like you and me) used to introduce this hugely significant piece of news.
Get your priorities straight, hj. Please either post here about what the minister said, or post your own article complaining about antisemitic posters, and keep that separate.
glug
Martin Luthe King Jr
04.05.2003 02:52
bassman
Conspiracy Theories???
04.05.2003 04:12
If anyone's interested...
More on the so-called anti-semitic secret conspiracy theory; conspiracy yes, though hardly a secret surely.
Perhaps this is why Blair refuses to do anything decisive against Israel.
Anyway, judge for yourselves...
"In the interview Blair called himself a "staunch" supporter of Israel, a minority view in Britain's House of Commons, according to Margolick.
The author then quoted Labour Member of Parliament Tam Dalyell, the longest serving member of the House of Commons, as saying he thought Blair was unduly influenced by a cabal of Jewish advisors. Margolick said Dalyell named Peter Mandelson, a former Blair cabinet member, Lord Levy, Blair's chief fund-raiser and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, an Anglican who has a Jewish grandparent. "
natsocnet
Homepage:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS...reut/index.html
sorry, that url should read-
04.05.2003 04:26
index.html
www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/05/01/blair.bush.reut/index.
html
natsocnet
Oh, great
04.05.2003 06:16
I guess we jews have to go back to hiding, or changing our names to non-jewish-sounding names so the nazis fuckheads out there who sit around making lists of "Jewish" and "Not Jewish" have a harder time organizing their lists and lashing out at everything.
Yes, Jews tend to not want holocaust 2 to occur (the extermination of Israel). Gee, how selfish and mean of them!
Wonderful
for all agents of darkness
04.05.2003 09:18
bassman, you are hereby given formal warning to refrain from posting lies, especially when they have been prooven to be so in this forum.
Also all citizens are urged to bear in mind the plot of the murderous Zionists in blurring the division between Zionism and Judaism. Please do not fall into the traps and provocations.
To quote the 'beast of Sabra'.....
------------------------------------
WHO RUNS THE USA ?
Ariel Sharon:
"We control America"
"Every time we do something, you tell me America will do this and will do
that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about
American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the
Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
"Every time we do something, you tell me America will do this and will
do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry
about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control
America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol
Yisrael radio.
Every time we do something, you tell me America will do this and will do
that. . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about
American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the
Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon, 2001
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American
pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans
know it."
Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael
radio.
----------------------------
...from when is that sensible humans quote from the rants of war criminals?
DO NOT FALL INTO THE TRAPS. Judaism is a religion and is not Zionism.
exiled sheep
The quotes are fake
04.05.2003 12:31
And even if they were said, who cares? So Sharon is silly. If they were ever said, they should be laughed off. Have you seen the incredibly ridiculous amounts of quotes that almost every leader has said at one point or another?
But, that's beside the point. Because those particular quotes are made-up and not real. Putting a dash and a source next to them does not mean that those sources really reported those things.
Watch this:
Tony Blair: "I love to play video games." - London Times
A fake quote! Yay!
Hello
anti-semitism....
04.05.2003 14:20
Several people have posted anti-semitic stuff here which kind of prooves my point, that there are loads of anti-semites here and they ruin the site. I didn't want to post my own thing because generally people get bored of 'opinions' etc and this is supposed to be for posting news and articles.
Israel is the US's favoured minion, not the other way round, and Jews are just Jews and they are not all working together in a big conspiracy. I find it ridiculous that someone has said that a grandparent of Jack Straw is Jewish and therefore Jews are influencing and controlling Blair. The only 'evidence' for all the variations of anti-semitic conspiracy theories (jewish-bolshevik, jewish-international-banking-, jewish-zionist, and the other ones like corporate-communist, europeanunion-communist, un-communist, etc) are false quotes, the occasional nutter who we are supposedly supposed to believe, and huge gaps which are filled in with 'aaah's and 'and so's without any proof whatsoever.
hj
Reality
04.05.2003 20:27
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exiled sheep
04.05.2003 22:55
bassman
not that old chesnut again
05.05.2003 22:36
nodboss
I am offended!!!!!!
05.05.2003 23:30
Dunno what goy-bashing means???
"Goy"/"Goyim" is a degoratory term for non-jew/s.
Goy-bashing is a sport very much alive among racist-Jews (yes, there are racist jews too, very racist ones at that!!!). It can be tongue-lashing all the way to physical assaults.
It is hardly racist or anti-semitic to call racist Jews racist Jews.
Screaming "anti-semitic" is a often a trick not unlike that of a thief shouting thief!!!
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