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VOTE!

Dannyboy | 25.04.2003 16:42

Mayday on its way, now is the time to vote out the pro-war MPs.

Lets send a message to Blair and his bloodthirsty gang - if your MP voted for the war, its time you utilised your own vote to get them out of government!

 http://politics.guardian.co.uk/commons/story/0,9061,917507,00.html

Labour MPs who rebelled in February but voted with the government last night:

Jim Cunningham, Jeff Ennis (PPS to Tessa Jowell), Chris Mole and Paul Stinchcome.

Labour MPs who rebelled in February but didn't vote last night:

Colin Challen, Brian Donohoe, Paul Farrelly, Khalid Mahmood, David Marshall, Andrew Reed (r) Dennis Skinner (in hospital) and Brian White.

Labour MP Anne Begg rebelled in February and voted against the government motion last night - she abstained on the amendment.

Labour MPs who rebelled for the first time last night:

Bob Blizzard (r), Keith Bradley, Kevin Brennan, Anne Campbell (r), Michael Connarty, Frank Cook, Robin Cook (r), David Crausby Ian Davidson, John Denham (r), Parmjit Dhanda, Bill Etherington, Win Griffiths, John Grogan, Dai Havard, Stephen Hepburn, David Heyes, Joan Humble, David Kidney (r), Tony Lloyd, Ian Lucas, Eric Martlew, Chris Mullin, Gwyn Prosser, Ken Purchase (r), John Robertson, Graham Stringer, Alan Whitehead and David Wright.

· (r) marks out MPs who resigned over the Iraq issue

In their own words

Brian Donohoe
"I took a principled position three weeks ago that I wouldn't support military action against Iraq without UN authorisation. Since then circumstances have changed - President Chirac has threatened to unconditionally veto a second resolution, whatever its wording, while yesterday France offered to commit troops to the Gulf if Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction.

"The prime minister, who has worked his butt off in the last few weeks, also gave a convincing performance. I could not vote for a situation where the troops in the Gulf had to be stood down for an inordinate amount of time. I therefore decided to abstain on the amendment."

Paul Stinchcome
"Three weeks ago I voted for the government motion because I believed that this was Saddam's last chance to comply with UN resolutions. I also voted for the amendment to that motion because Saddam had to be given the chance to take advantage of the opportunity to comply.

"As long as he still had time to comply the time for war had not yet come. Since then, however, the world has moved on - diplomacy has failed and the US has decided that it is going to war.

"The question before the House of Commons was not whether we could stop war but whether we should let America go it alone. I have no doubt at all that the world will be a safer place if we do not leave America to its unilateral devices."

Brian White
"Three weeks ago was first time I ever voted against a whip and it was very hard for me to oppose my government. I wasn't convinced that all diplomatic efforts were exhausted.

"Yesterday I veered between voting for the amendment and abstaining. I decided to abstain in the end because of the way the size of the rebellion was being used to attack the prime minister. Once the amendment had been lost I supported the motion because I think it is important to send a message to our troops that we support them."

Jeff Ennis
"I voted against the government for the first time three week ago because I was worried that the UN might in future be sidelined and concerned that military action might have a detrimental knock on effect in the rest of the Middle East, particular in Israel and Palestine.

"Yesterday I voted with the government because its motion answered both my concerns. It included a role for the UN in post-war Iraq and stressed the importance of the "road map" for a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Obviously a second resolution would have been preferable."

Khalid Mahmood
"On the first Iraq debate held in February I voted for an amendment contrary to the government resolution, as at that time I did not feel that the peace diplomatic route had been properly exhausted. Many of us had hoped that we could continue with United Nations diplomacy.

"The British government, and in particular the prime minister, did its very best to get this matter to the UN for a further resolution. Regrettably, without even seeing the text of any such resolution President Chirac made it clear that come what may his country would veto any further resolution and as a result it prevented any further discussion leading to a further resolution at the UN.

"It is of course true that many permanent members of the security council have in the past used their veto, including the United Kingdom, however this has always been after listening to the arguments rather than in advance, thus preventing any further sensible diplomacy from being used.

"I deeply regret that conflict with Iraq is now imminent and I can only hope and pray that this action will be quick and with as few casualties as possible and that the Iraqi people can after a quarter of a century return to some kind of normal life."

Dannyboy

Comments

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Errr...

25.04.2003 16:59

I think you'll find it's council elections - we'll just have to vote their mates out instead.

Never mind - we'll get a chance at the Blairite bastards in a year or two...

Brian


Don't vote

25.04.2003 18:33

Shit now I really fucked up.

All the mortgage, bank accoung holding braindead alternative wankers wo read this plus the pigscum of course, will be really pissed with me.

Try defrauding banks instead. Banks kill children by making them stave to death.

ram


starving

25.04.2003 21:32

I see the corpses piled up outside Barclays in the High Street every morning.

yeah right


yeah right

25.04.2003 22:27

Every time I see a Barclays, I see the starving corpses piled up in the third world.

If you can't see the connection between global usury and poverty, you are truly fucked.

Nice point, ram!

Bri.

Brian


dont vote for any

25.04.2003 22:59

I listened to a speaker, a Neue Ordnung Labour MP opposed to the war,Simpson was his name, talk about a Parliamentary Labour party meeting addressed by Blair as an exercise in control-freakery, which silenced the adversaries. Why silence? To protect their position.What are the likes of Galloway hanging in there for. Because the overtly Nazi trappings aren't there? While the overtly Nazi legislation and public propaganda come to the fore. No Labour Party candidate should be voted for - it doesn't matter that the issues are local, - the party is nazional You can't give it any support -it'll only encourage the sucking of the nation.
Don't support this system at all.
You know it's a shallow and vicious sham
Go to the polling booths by all means
but SPOIL IT

dh


spoiling spoils nothing

26.04.2003 14:03

Sadly spoiling your vote does nothing nowadays. Apparently (although I'm having no luck finding documented verification of this, help would be welcome) the government made changes to the vote-counting procedures before the last election which make 'spoiled' votes indistinguishable from those who stayed at home!

All voters are equal, but...

peoplewhohatepeople
mail e-mail: martin@email.ky


elections

26.04.2003 17:11

you're right. I was at the count last year in Manchester and the spoilt papers are just disregarded. It makes you feel good to do it but theres no point. No point in voting mainstream either I think. I would say go for whoever is closest to the sort of world you'd like to see, maybe stand yourself next time round. Its an interesting experience watching how this version of so called democracy works/doesn't work. The system is shit and it gets harder to force myself to vote each time, but the point about standing in elections is not to win, but to use their system against them by having that license (in a sense) to knock on doors and talk to the people who we will not see on demos and actions. I don't believe in the system. full stop. and its brilliant to get feedback from people on doorsteps.

heather


fuck the vote

28.04.2003 10:59

Voting just encourages the politicians. If people boycott the vote, then a constitutional crisis is created - this is the chance to create something closer to real democracy, not the dictatorship of the neoliberal elite that we have today. DON'T VOTE!

krop


erm but

28.04.2003 16:32

Trouble is, if we all don't vote and the racist minority who think asylum seekers ate their granny do vote, then who gets elected? Learn from the results last year, hold your nose and vote for someone non-Nazi.

awake