This map shows te spead of the flu like virus..2300 ppl so far are dead..does anyone know if this is man made (military cock up or a bio tech balls up?)
First if you add up all your numbers in the postcard it does add upto nowhere near 2000 deaths. But even if you account for the date for your chart (31 Mar '03) I have not heard of any official deathtolls to have reached 2000. Could you verify this deathtoll with sources please.
CJD is something that affects the way proteins fold just like BSE which was mostly noted in the UK. It is widely accepted that CJD and BSE are connected due to piggy eating habits. This is quite unique as there is no virus or bacterium are thought to be involved in passing CJD/BSE on. just eating habits.
SARS it seems is a very contagious viral infection. Symptoms are apparently more like acute Pneumonia. Person to person contact and the usual sneeze and cough can pass it on. What is alarmng is the theory that airborne infection has already occured with SARS. Other factors like cockroaches and mites are also being suspected as possible carriers.
There is a theory that it crossed over from animals to humans (as if we are not animals too!) one correlation to CJD/BSE.
But does it feature the ubiquitous white people and our piggy way of life? I think so! as the pharmaceuticals industry led global medical policy for humans and animals is wrong and is a western phenomenon. With the alamingly high amounts of unnatural antibiotics and other medicines used in animal husbandary (including humans) the chance of dangerous amounts of mutations among the target disease agent has always been a matter of time.
The very sad part is with SARS the dependency on phamaceuticals to provide the solution increases many folds.
So yes it is most probably a biotech cockup as the biotech industry is a cockup itself!
If you were to ask is SARS a biotech weapon especially in times of a gunho' bully in the form of Bush Jr.? the prospects are even more scary!!
PLEAE NOTE: This is prime ground for *conspiracy theories* and I hope we do not get dragged down this path. Please post with caution so that rumuors do not get passed on, mutiplied!
I think the author was confusing the numder infected (currently 3461) withe the number of dead (recent figure 170). Unfortunately Ram spoils a rather well-argued comment, with the blather about 'conspiracy theories', as though that terminology exposed any unapproved thinking about origins as nonsense - and that's true and baseless bollocks. However, I'd be the first to agree that modern allopathic medical treatment - anti-this and anti-that and vaccination,- has been busy in the creation of monster diseases for many decades, both through trashing peoples' immune systems, and providing new challenges for those little pathogens to overcome in order to procreate, thus producing mutations and new variant forms of old and sometimes supposedly obsolete disease. Also of course, epidemics and pandemics were described by Samuel Hahnemann, as appearing during periods of telluric chaos and malevolence - ie where the world order, both in terms of environment and mass consciousness, is in turmoil, as with the flu pandemic appearing at the end of the First World War, as now, in the NWO's current 'ordo ab chao'pandemonium
One does not have any evidence yet as to whether or not SARS is a deliberate creation. It's most certainly not a cock-up - either it's a GM extermination weapon against the people deliberately released under WHO auspices, or it's a mutation as RAM suggests, due to environmental toxic effects through prescribed drugs and environmental pollution, agrichemicals and all the rest' One has to go with intuition, and mine tells me that SARS is a deliberate bid at experimental disease spreading, to help towards genocidal population reduction under the New World Order. I'll post any evidence I come across to that effect
No not a conspiracy idea, a fact. Live bacteria vaccines are given, sometimes almost forced upon you, unless you have enough information to throw back, and what you find is doctors who don't even know what they are given. but lets limit this to the B.C.G. vaccines(bacillus Calmette-Guerin) a live attenuated strain derived from Mycobacterium bovis which stimulates the development of hypersensitivy to M. tuberculosis. Stated in the BNF (british national formulary) to us layfolk the doctors book, immigrants comung into this counry with a high risk incidence of T.B. should be immunised without delay. Children born here do not get this vaccineuntil the ages of 10-14, unless of course you refuse.It has been a serious problem the last 10? years in this country, we're told diffrent strains, new drugs to combat this but never the facts. Lets look at the similiaritys, both airborne, respitary problems, cough and who really knows. With the problems in the UK with meat, salmonella, and other food related illnesses, live vaccines incubated using animals must be looked at. No drug companies are named for doctors, availability says from health authoritiesor (in England only) direct from Farillion. WHY??? I'm sure many theories will be made about SARS, and yes the dreaded conspiracy theories as well RAM but don't worry theres plenty mental hospitals ready and waiting for these people. But back to vaccines theMMR vaccine , I also refused this vaccine for my children and had a small child when this triple vaccine began to be used. 2 diffrent companies made this vaccine, one with 10 times more of the mumps strain than the other. A health visitor came to my house to tell me a doctor wanted to see me and an appointment had been made. I decided togo to see what he had to say, after the usual intimidation, be responsible for your children and what if attitude, I asked him what companys vaccine he used. Guess what, he had no idea, he had to go the fridge to find out, I then asked him why this company had 10 times the strain of mumps, guess what he wasn't even aware of it. then tried to cover up by saying it was measured in international units, and its miniscule, oh well thats all right then I asked if he seriously expected me to trust him with my childs health when he did not even know what he was prescibing. we don't have to look for secret chemical plants our goverment ok's them.
“Corona virus genetic engineering and the origin of SARS”
The growing global epidemic of Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) has been pinned down to a Corona virus. The disease has spread rapidly from its first appearance in China and impacted heavily on Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand and Toronto, Canada. The disease agent was identified as a Corona virus with a unique RNA sequence not directly related to known human and animal viruses (1)
None of the early reports have acknowledged the large body of reports on the genetic manipulation of Coronas viruses in the laboratory nor have they considered the possibility that the unique virus arose as a laboratory accident or purposeful experiment. I have searched out a number of studies on the genetic manipulation of Corona viruses and describe a few such studies below.
Corona virus from a disease of pigs that produces symptoms similar to SARS has been manipulated to create a viral vector to propagate foreign genes (2). The Corona virus coat protein genes have been manipulated to alter the tropism (species attacked by the virus) of the virus (3). The gene for the pig corona virus coat protein (controlling viral tropism) was propagated in tobacco plants (4). Prodigene, a company specializing in production of crop biopharmaceuticals also produced an edible vaccine for swine corona virus (5) and information on whether or not that product was the one being field tested in a disastrous field test has been deemed confidential information.
These brief comments are musing on an ongoing investigation but might provide some useful background information to others.
References
1)http://www.who.int/en/ Coronavirus never before seen in humans is the cause of SARS Unprecedented collaboration identifies new pathogen in record time 16 April 2003
2)Journal of General Virology (2002), 83, 567–579. In vitro and in vivo expression of foreign genes by transmissible gastroenteritis coronavirus-derived minigenomes Sara Alonso, Isabel Sola, Jens P. Teifke, Ilona Reimann, Ander Izeta, Mo! nica Balasch, Juan Plana-Dura! n, Rob J. M. Moormann4 and Luis Enjuanes
3)JOURNAL OF VIROLOGY, Apr. 2003, p. 4528–4538 Vol. 77, Switching Species Tropism: an Effective Way To Manipulate the Feline Coronavirus Genome Bert Jan Haijema, Haukeliene Volders, and Peter J. M. Rottie
4)Immunogenicity of porcine transmissible gastroenteritis virus spike protein expressed in plants T. Tubolya, W. Yub, A. Baileyb, S. Degrandisc, S. Dub, L. Ericksonb, EÂ . Nagya, Vaccine 18 (2000) 2023±2028
5) http://www8.techmall.com/techdocs/TS000215-6.html Sept 2001 ProdiGene is First to Demonstrate Vaccination With Edible Vaccines “Clinical trials Conducted by ProdiGene, a biopharmaceutical company in College Station, Texas, have demonstrated for the first time that an oral vaccine expressed in plants gives protection against a virulent viral pathogen in livestock. The trials were conducted on swine using an edible form of a vaccine for transmissible gastroenteritis virus (TGEV).”
Not long ago we were told AIDS would wipe everyone out, then we were told Ebola, now we are told SARS. In food they found BSE and closed down the beef industry in Britain in time for Poland ...joining the EU.
Capitalism breeds fear and hysteria so the real dangers are overlooked like sub-contracted hospital cleaning firms which lead to many deaths or lorries wiping out thousands in the mad rush delivery schedules.
Every couple of years a 'new' disease is invented to threaten us all with death and destruction, but what goes on around is forgotten conveniently.
If SARS isn't a new fake disease like all the previous ones then the government is saying the truth. That now would be a conspiracy.
HIV is currently infecting 30 million people! Ebola has killed hundreds in Uganda, and has no known cure. Victims bleed to death. Over 100 people in the UK are known to have vCJD, and because of variation in incubation times etc, thousands more may have it. In what way is any of this scare-mongering?
Infectious disease is a serious threat to human well-being, the SARS virus included! I wouldn't want to catch a disease that gives me a 4% chance of dying!
As for genetic engineering - the Spanish flu after WWI had a death rate of about 4-5%. SARS is not exceptional. Flus and colds often come out of China or Hong Kong because of the practice of keeping animals, especially hens and pigs which can both carry flu, in close contact with humans.
As conpirasict points out ..it is true that poepl in the white domains think that AIDS was a scare. Although the first case of HIV was diagnoed in Ney York, USa and most of the initial infection patterns swept throught he white homelands and tousist palygrounds look how the situation has turned upside down!
The whites who hang around free media centers do not know of the tragedy of AIDS alone on humanity...shame on you all media outlets for not being able to propagate the simple message like wear a condom.
This is the main problem with SARS too. From prevention to treatment the media is all geared for the 'impendign outbreak' as they put it. Shame most of the world is only getting to know of rumours of something in China ...
Have a look at this article in India´s rediff.com on April 11th. The Russian who claims that SARS is laboratory-made is associated with the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences.
Have a look at this article in India´s rediff.com on April 11th. The Russian who claims that SARS is laboratory-made is associated with the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences.
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bollocks
20.04.2003 12:00
First if you add up all your numbers in the postcard it does add upto nowhere near 2000 deaths.
But even if you account for the date for your chart
(31 Mar '03) I have not heard of any official deathtolls to have reached 2000.
Could you verify this deathtoll with sources please.
CJD is something that affects the way proteins fold just like BSE which was mostly noted in the UK. It is widely accepted that CJD and BSE are connected due to piggy eating habits. This is quite unique as there is no virus or bacterium are thought to be involved in passing CJD/BSE on. just eating habits.
SARS it seems is a very contagious viral infection.
Symptoms are apparently more like acute Pneumonia.
Person to person contact and the usual sneeze and cough can pass it on.
What is alarmng is the theory that airborne infection has already occured with SARS.
Other factors like cockroaches and mites are also being suspected as possible carriers.
There is a theory that it crossed over from animals to humans (as if we are not animals too!) one correlation to CJD/BSE.
But does it feature the ubiquitous white people and our piggy way of life?
I think so! as the pharmaceuticals industry led global medical policy for humans and animals is wrong and is a western phenomenon.
With the alamingly high amounts of unnatural antibiotics and other medicines used in animal husbandary (including humans) the chance of dangerous amounts of mutations among the target disease agent has always been a matter of time.
The very sad part is with SARS the dependency on phamaceuticals to provide the solution increases many folds.
So yes it is most probably a biotech cockup as the biotech industry is a cockup itself!
If you were to ask is SARS a biotech weapon especially in times of a gunho' bully in the form of Bush Jr.?
the prospects are even more scary!!
PLEAE NOTE:
This is prime ground for *conspiracy theories* and I hope we do not get dragged down this path.
Please post with caution so that rumuors do not get passed on, mutiplied!
ram
Conspiracy theories? Tut tut!
20.04.2003 14:29
Unfortunately Ram spoils a rather well-argued comment, with the blather about 'conspiracy theories', as though that terminology exposed any unapproved thinking about origins as nonsense - and that's true and baseless bollocks.
However, I'd be the first to agree that modern allopathic medical treatment - anti-this and anti-that and vaccination,- has been busy in the creation of monster diseases for many decades, both through trashing peoples' immune systems, and providing new challenges for those little pathogens to overcome in order to procreate, thus producing mutations and new variant forms of old and sometimes supposedly obsolete disease. Also of course, epidemics and pandemics were described by Samuel Hahnemann, as appearing during periods of telluric chaos and malevolence - ie where the world order, both in terms of environment and mass consciousness, is in turmoil, as with the flu pandemic appearing at the end of the First World War, as now, in the NWO's current 'ordo ab chao'pandemonium
One does not have any evidence yet as to whether or not SARS is a deliberate creation. It's most certainly not a cock-up - either it's a GM extermination weapon against the people deliberately released under WHO auspices, or it's a mutation as RAM suggests, due to environmental toxic effects through prescribed drugs and environmental pollution, agrichemicals and all the rest'
One has to go with intuition, and mine tells me that SARS is a deliberate bid at experimental disease spreading, to help towards genocidal population reduction under the New World Order. I'll post any evidence I come across to that effect
dh
sars/ pharmy comps.
20.04.2003 15:36
Stated in the BNF (british national formulary) to us layfolk the doctors book, immigrants comung into this counry with a high risk incidence of T.B. should be immunised without delay. Children born here do not get this vaccineuntil the ages of 10-14, unless of course you refuse.It has been a serious problem the last 10? years in this country, we're told diffrent strains, new drugs to combat this but never the facts. Lets look at the similiaritys, both airborne, respitary problems, cough and who really knows. With the problems in the UK with meat, salmonella, and other food related illnesses, live vaccines incubated using animals must be looked at. No drug companies are named for doctors, availability says from health authoritiesor (in England only) direct from Farillion. WHY??? I'm sure many theories will be made about SARS, and yes the dreaded conspiracy theories as well RAM but don't worry theres plenty mental hospitals ready and waiting for these people. But back to vaccines theMMR vaccine , I also refused this vaccine for my children and had a small child when this triple vaccine began to be used. 2 diffrent companies made this vaccine, one with 10 times more of the mumps strain than the other. A health visitor came to my house to tell me a doctor wanted to see me and an appointment had been made. I decided togo to see what he had to say, after the usual intimidation, be responsible for your children and what if attitude, I asked him what companys vaccine he used. Guess what, he had no idea, he had to go the fridge to find out, I then asked him why this company had 10 times the strain of mumps, guess what he wasn't even aware of it. then tried to cover up by saying it was measured in international units, and its miniscule, oh well thats all right then I asked if he seriously expected me to trust him with my childs health when he did not even know what he was prescibing. we don't have to look for secret chemical plants our goverment ok's them.
antijen
Corona virus genetic engineering...
20.04.2003 17:34
April 19, 2003
Prof. Joe Cummins
e-mail:
“Corona virus genetic engineering and the origin of SARS”
The growing global epidemic of Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) has been pinned down to a Corona virus. The disease has spread rapidly from its first appearance in China and impacted heavily on Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand and Toronto, Canada. The disease agent was identified as a Corona virus with a unique RNA sequence not directly related to known human and animal viruses (1)
None of the early reports have acknowledged the large body of reports on the genetic manipulation of Coronas viruses in the laboratory nor have they considered the possibility that the unique virus arose as a laboratory accident or purposeful experiment. I have searched out a number of studies on the genetic manipulation of Corona viruses and describe a few such studies below.
Corona virus from a disease of pigs that produces symptoms similar to SARS has been manipulated to create a viral vector to propagate foreign genes (2). The Corona virus coat protein genes have been manipulated to alter the tropism (species attacked by the virus) of the virus (3). The gene for the pig corona virus coat protein (controlling viral tropism) was propagated in tobacco plants (4). Prodigene, a company specializing in production of crop biopharmaceuticals also produced an edible vaccine for swine corona virus (5) and information on whether or not that product was the one being field tested in a disastrous field test has been deemed confidential information.
These brief comments are musing on an ongoing investigation but might provide some useful background information to others.
References
1)
Coronavirus never before seen in humans is the cause of SARS Unprecedented collaboration identifies new pathogen in record time 16 April 2003
2)Journal of General Virology (2002), 83, 567–579.
In vitro and in vivo expression of foreign genes by transmissible gastroenteritis coronavirus-derived minigenomes Sara Alonso, Isabel Sola, Jens P. Teifke, Ilona Reimann, Ander Izeta, Mo! nica Balasch,
Juan Plana-Dura! n, Rob J. M. Moormann4 and Luis Enjuanes
3)JOURNAL OF VIROLOGY, Apr. 2003, p. 4528–4538 Vol. 77,
Switching Species Tropism: an Effective Way To Manipulate the Feline Coronavirus Genome
Bert Jan Haijema, Haukeliene Volders, and Peter J. M. Rottie
4)Immunogenicity of porcine transmissible gastroenteritis virus spike protein expressed in plants
T. Tubolya, W. Yub, A. Baileyb, S. Degrandisc, S. Dub, L. Ericksonb, EÂ . Nagya,
Vaccine 18 (2000) 2023±2028
5)
Sept 2001
ProdiGene is First to Demonstrate Vaccination With Edible Vaccines “Clinical trials Conducted by ProdiGene, a biopharmaceutical company in College Station, Texas, have demonstrated for the first time that an oral vaccine expressed in plants gives protection against a virulent viral pathogen in livestock. The trials were conducted on swine using an edible form of a vaccine for transmissible gastroenteritis virus (TGEV).”
GM Freeman
Fear of death...
21.04.2003 12:11
In food they found BSE and closed down the beef industry in Britain in time for Poland ...joining the EU.
Capitalism breeds fear and hysteria so the real dangers are overlooked like sub-contracted hospital cleaning firms which lead to many deaths or lorries wiping out thousands in the mad rush delivery schedules.
Every couple of years a 'new' disease is invented to threaten us all with death and destruction, but what goes on around is forgotten conveniently.
If SARS isn't a new fake disease like all the previous ones then the government is saying the truth. That now would be a conspiracy.
Conspiracist
A conspiracy too far
21.04.2003 17:34
HIV is currently infecting 30 million people! Ebola has killed hundreds in Uganda, and has no known cure. Victims bleed to death. Over 100 people in the UK are known to have vCJD, and because of variation in incubation times etc, thousands more may have it. In what way is any of this scare-mongering?
Infectious disease is a serious threat to human well-being, the SARS virus included! I wouldn't want to catch a disease that gives me a 4% chance of dying!
As for genetic engineering - the Spanish flu after WWI had a death rate of about 4-5%. SARS is not exceptional. Flus and colds often come out of China or Hong Kong because of the practice of keeping animals, especially hens and pigs which can both carry flu, in close contact with humans.
Matt
another white factor
21.04.2003 20:29
The whites who hang around free media centers do not know of the tragedy of AIDS alone on humanity...shame on you all media outlets for not being able to propagate the simple message like wear a condom.
This is the main problem with SARS too. From prevention to treatment the media is all geared for the 'impendign outbreak' as they put it. Shame most of the world is only getting to know of rumours of something in China ...
ram
Russian says SARS created in a lab
22.04.2003 18:50
From Peso the conspirator
Peso
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Is SARS the new CJD
22.04.2003 18:54
From Peso the conspirator
Peso
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