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More BNP post on Indymedia

.... | 17.04.2003 11:03

Indymedia UK is regularly open for BNP posters, this time about Pim Fortuyn.

Quoted from this post

http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=63857&group=webcast

"Mr. Fortuyn made the fight against immigration a central point in his campaign.... all western European peoples are searching for an alternative to the Old Gang parties who have brought about a decline in the very civilisation our nations collectively created. Patriotic anti-immigration parties in Denmark, Austria, Italy, France and Scandinavia which the BNP maintain close links continue to make progress at the Polls."

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Yeah but...

17.04.2003 11:33

Their ridiculous racist clap-trap is immediately countered and revealed as the shit-for-brains school-yard argument that it really is.

I say bring on the fuckers - we can shoot them all down in flames.

The truth will set you free. Unless you are a sexually inadiquate pseudo-nazi with a mollusc for a brain!

Dannyboy

Why bother with the BNP

17.04.2003 11:38

When Blair rumbled 'our way of life (being threatened)' in the parliament rallying the MPs to vote for the illegal war did it not proove that all UK national parties are racist?

BNP are a bunch of uneducated idiots.
But is it right to discriminate against levels of education?

Levels of education should not be discriminated against.
Also idiots should not be discriminated against.
Only then you will have a free and truly representative media outlet or what the censor does is in effect a form of spin New Labour style.

ram

free speech ?

17.04.2003 11:42

if what they say does not break the indymedia rules why shouldn't anyone be free to post ?
surely you are free to post articles rebuffing their postings, when lefty extremists start talking about killing facists, wiping them out and screaming abuse,we have lost the argument.

isit

What?!

17.04.2003 12:08

How does that post not break the IMC editorial guidlines? It's a racist posting, and it's a political party broadcast - both of which are not what IMC is about.

Political parties, authoritarians and racists have their own sites: IMC is not one of them. The posting has been left on there I imagine cos the IMC collective don't like deleting posts which contain lengthy debate.

blacknred

simple

17.04.2003 12:28

The lefties, the liberals and the "conservatives" can whinge all they like about the "nazis" not being intelligent or being "fascists" or whatever. The truth is, the one ideology of all that would secure:

1) A high and increasing standard of living for the British people;
2) A reduction in crime and criminal behaviour;
3) The British people as a majority in their own country for all time.

is nationalism. We all know that nationalism would benefit the British people more than any other ideology.

So what is there to argue about.

[imcista-i'm showing this comment again to make sense of the replies]

BNP Supporter

Plenty ..

17.04.2003 13:19

Simple as in simplistic.

Nationalism produces disaster.
The standard of living as a whole is already highly distorted in the uk's favour by the racism of 400 years of colonial exploitation.
Where has it gone?
Most of it consumed by the top 10% - pissed away as champs.
Nationalism without the exploitation would produce (under the same sysytem of irrational useless production and distributon) poverty.
Nationalism with green ethics would do only slighty better, as it would only marginally effect the rest of the world which affects us in turn.
International soliarity based on the priciples of regional green economies and equality, freedom of movement and expression will be the solution that produces stablity and real wealth (happy lives in a healthy environment).

Why bother saying 'british people' when you mean 'white english' people - bnp = slavery = conformity = death.

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com

let's see

17.04.2003 13:30

taking your points, a high and increased standard of living for everyone in Britain could be achieved by re-distributing the wealth in the country in an equitable manner (socialism, communism, anarchocommunism etc etc). BTW standard of living is very different to GDP, which is what I think you're referring to. Continual increase in GDP can be maintained for a while (til the resources run out) with declining 'standard of living' as now...

Who knows how crime and criminal behaviour could be reduced, but let's look at the current state of affairs. I presume you're ignoring the high level of minor criminal behaviour which goes on anyway, at every level of society, and especially ignoring the fraud, tax evasion, bad accounting, stock market rip-off etc that make up 'white collar' crime. We are left with crime, especially violent crime, committed through poverty or drug addiction or greed. These are fuelled by archaic drug laws (freely prescribed fair-trade heroin from Afghanistan, anyone?) and by a culture of inequality and rampant commercialism. After a few years of having trendy mobile phones being stuffed in our faces, you get mobile muggings. Our whole (consumer) society is fuelled by inequality, jealousy, greed and trendiness, and the by-product is crime. Re-distribute, and you won't have the inequalities. As Lao-Tzu said, 'if you do not wish to have criminals, make fewer laws, if you do not wish to have thieves, do not value one thing highly above others' (1000BC)

as for last point, I reckon British people will always be the majority, especially as people and their children become British citizens if they are allowed to get on with their lives and raise families.

anarchoteapot

They are very busy today

17.04.2003 13:46

... censoring away.

Meanwhile free speech is sidelined as a useful notion to be employed one day when all the nasty people have gone.

The comment that 'bnp supporter' made is pulled ... and so all the insight and return of agument is left hanging in the air, eviscerated by the equivalent act of covering up ones eyes.

This site is packed full with info.

That which I am interested in I read.

That which I am not, I don't.

Obvious I am not mature enough to make that decision alone, it needs the anonomous swipe of the censors pen to help me keep the to the path.

Do you have any realisation of what historical company you are in? Any clue as to the fate of social movements that based themselves on such acts?

In terms of 'info wars' you HAVE been infiltrated by those who would seek to have us follow yet another dead end of aparchick advancement ... ooh yes I agree with the policy of censorship and yes i will work towards supporting the party line ...

Am I wrong?

Am I too, delusional?

Too angry?

Too soft on the bnp? (I have the scars to prove otherwise!)

In fading hope - a libertarian.

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com

See.

17.04.2003 13:49

Lucid, rational and insightful replies to a post that is no longer there!
A pointless exercise.
Thanks.

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid

Tolerance is the key word

17.04.2003 14:20

BNP misunderstaning sums up the BNPs lack of tolerance for just about everything that isn't white.
I find the UK to be pretty boring as it is if you took out the ethnic types it would be like it be the pits ... !

isit

duh

17.04.2003 15:00

Excuse me BNP, where I live there isn't much 'black yoof' going around intimidating old ladies, but 'white yoof'. These 'yoof' are uneducated morons whose only promise in life is failure, because of the environment they're bought up in. They are nearly always from poor backgrounds. Much of the youth today grow up becoming incredibly materialistic and consumerist, with a live for the weekend mentality of getting pissed and smashing bus shelters. So 'black yoof' and 'white yoof' are both in the same boat, they just have different skin colour. Don't you see? Are you so thick to realise the only difference between black and white people is that black people have a genetic sun-tan? That is all. People are people, peel away the skin and we're all flesh and blood.

My God you really are a numpty. I hope you don't pollute other's brains... the Sun and Daily Mail already do that enough.

Dave

See(2)!

17.04.2003 15:01

Thanks and respect to the [people] responsible for restoring this thread to its full.

At the risk of sounding self important - the flow of the thread is now much more damaging to the fallacious argument of the far right - several comments have addressed the issues raised by the bnp loving fools who post here thinking that they can 'turn' anyone or influence the thinking of people who are attempting to throw off shackles not replace them.

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com

A fallacious argument

17.04.2003 15:31

1."And British people = native British people (who are white)"

Exactly what can you mean by 'native'?

Even a cursery study of natural history demonstrates that humans have constantly moved around the globe - native is as native does. You are still fixated with the surface appearance of humans rather than their innerself and history. This highlights you as a fool by those who understand the origin of such a reaction - the infantile impulse to reject the new and the strange ... with proper analysis you could get to the root of your problem and stop projecting it onto the innocent and dressing it up as 'political thought'.

Fallacious argument no. 2 ...

"In terms of 'info wars' you HAVE been infiltrated by those who would seek to have us follow yet another dead end of aparchick advancement ... ooh yes I agree with the policy of censorship and yes i will work towards supporting the party line ..."

My full apologies.

Danger - DO NOT TAKE YOURSELF TO SERIOUSLY - the results are foolish when mild, deadly when spread.

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com

when UK was white...

17.04.2003 17:55

Once upon a time in a land far,far away(pre-colonialization), we had the society that was dreamt of by BNP supporters, a quick look through the history books also shows we had poverty,sexual assaults etc. then too.....was this some form of "voodoo magik" sent from Africa to curse the white man or a result of capitalism and exploitation of poor whiteworkers by white industry bosses?
Nuff said

oi!