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Looting, arson, destruction that is what anarchy is!

Realist | 16.04.2003 17:03

The looting, arson and mindless destruction going on now in Iraq is what real anarchy would be like! Yet idiots who run this site keep promoting anarchy as the ideal society.

In reality anarchy is chaos, gang warefare, lawlessness and terror! Anarchy will never work as a social system it is time all you anarchists realised that and got real. The present system may not be perfect but its a damn good lot better than anarchy!

Realist

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16.04.2003 17:25

Couldn't agree more. Although I would say unless we do something about immigration we'll have anarchy on our hands in 20years.

But they won't realise that either, they'll call me racist, but to be honest its whether I'm right or not that matters not whether I'm "racist". I know (and some of them know) the BNP would benefit Britain and white British people more than Socialism or Anarchism, so what they say doesn't matter.

BNP Supporter


I disagree

16.04.2003 17:46

The looting and robbery that is going on in Bagh dad is because of the years of tyranny. Anarchy can only happen through co-operation. Even now, in Baghdad, there are people helping one another to make sure they all pull through; those are the seeds of the society we want, and they are all around us.

Many say that we'd all kill each other if it wasn't for the police - bollcks. We can organize our own lives and live together as long as we co-operate equally.

BNP tactics are simply to divide us by skin colour, when the real divisions are about how much money you have. Rich white people are not my friends, poor refugees are not my enemies. My enemies are the ones on power who have created this situation.

anarchist


Anarchy/absence of goverment and law, disorde

16.04.2003 19:59

Yeh we have policing and law but what control have they got.Not much good at catching 15year olds who are following pensioners back from the post office, giving them a good kicking for a few lousy pounds. I can almost hear the BNP guy blaming it on some foreigner, get real man or woman. What would happen if you got rid of refugees, coloured, etc. you think this would be a better place, how long would it be before you were pointing the finger at another group you wanted rid of. The BNP remind me of the worst kind of police, you know, the ones who are only doing there jobs when there cracking truncheons over your head except the BNP believe they think for thereself. HA HA Mr BNP away and order yer daily newspaper.

anti-jen


No you don't get it

17.04.2003 01:02

People who are so quick to write off anarchism are the one's who know little about it. The situation in Iraq is not the ideal situation for an anarchist society to function, it's just come out of a month of war, with 25 years of an authoritarian dictatorship, and the infastructure is a mess. A libertarian socialist society can only exist from the ashes of an advanced capitalist society, where we use the tools of capitalism for our own ends. People say everyone will just go around murdering each other, but people murder each other all the time anyway. Crime is a product of ignorance and inequality. If everyone has what they need, why would there be strife?
I'm not going to even bother with 'BNP supporter'. I'd rather send village idiots and bigoted morons away to a far away place than send immigrants home. It's claimed this country is over-populated and our system can't cope. It's because our system is crap, the uneven balance of wealth and power is the catalist for the decay of our society, not people of different race, numpty.

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Dave


destruction>creation

17.04.2003 02:08

looting arson and destruction isnt anarchy, but it might kinda be a step. Anarchy begins after the destruction, after people have freed themselves from commodities and destroyed all the constraints of present society. Thats when the real fun begins. . .

wireandthechick


Oi BNP supporter

17.04.2003 09:28

Are you so dumb?

Immigration is controlled by skin colour in the white countries. They filter through the ones that bring wealth into the white countries.

I agree that refugees are a problem to the white plans.
So it is illegal immigration you should target not 'immigration' (eg: One could buy british visa that should automatically lead to citizenship for a price ...I think the current rate is about GBP 200,000 --one who does this whether they are white, black, yellow, brown or whatever due to their minority status become engulfed by the white nation and become white in my opinion)

The fact is the legal immigration is a crime as it drains poor parts of the planets more.

Illegal immigration is to be praised and encouraged by true humans.

As for anarchism is it not another white idea? (like communism, Maxism, Nazism, .....)
All the anarchists of the previous century were white.
All the modern kids who have to take pain to point out that they are the anarchist tribes are all white.

But in my opinion modern anarchist ideas and ideals are closer to humanity than any other white idea.

ram


Beg to differ...

17.04.2003 19:01

I thought looting, anarchy, riots is liberation.

At least that is the most up-to-date definition and practice.

As seen on TV.

What happens is some gungho yank soldiers come and give the signal for the mass lootings and anarchy to begin and bingo there you are - liberation: the whole of Iraq goes on grateful native mode and help themselves to goodies and rioting.

So looting and all the mayhem is liberation and not anarchy.

Dubya School of Dyslexicaficationous Spiel


A view from a Los Angeles Anarchist of Color

17.04.2003 20:11

Hey...........I'm an active *anarchist* and I'm NOT white, and my anarchist comrades out here are not just white. I think the diversity of this city is what leads to that, as well as we try to make *anarchism* relevant to our lives and our distinct cultures to create something diverse and beautiful and not the purely European anarchism of 200 years ago. Even in my own background (Mexican), I can find instances of where people's own self-rule without a centralized authority is the way people chose to go.

At first I adopted the *classical/European* anarchism, but then I realized I could find it in my own culture/background that is even more pertinent to my life than any 19th century European anarchist. We must realize that *classical* anarchism is part of the idea that Europeans hold a grip-hold of what anarchism is, and what it comes from, and what it will be. As anarchists we must move to smash euro-centricism, not in an anti-european fashion, but in a way that realizes we are all important. I for one am striving to remove that grip-hold and make *anarchism* something relevant, and viable for the people around me and myself.

I just wanted to give a big hug to all my comrades out in the U.K. struggling and working, and remember that this whole thing is global!

hasta luego,
Malegria

Malegria
mail e-mail: malegria@earthlink.net


Here's one I prepared earlier...

17.04.2003 22:06

Visit this webpage for a discussion on this
very subject:

 http://www.struggle.ws/anarchism/writers/anarcho/war/iraq/anarchy.html

As may be expected, it argues that has happened in
Iraq has little to do with anarchy as the preconditions
for creating anarchy did not exist. Instead of a working
class movement which uses revolution to get rid of the
state and capitalism, the state has been destroyed for
the Iraqi people and so, being used to statism and
capitalism, chaos has resulted.

anarcho
mail e-mail: anarcho@geocities.com
- Homepage: www.anarchistfaq.org


I was wrong

18.04.2003 15:41

I wrote above ...

> All the modern kids who have to take pain to point out that they are the anarchist tribes are all white.

Someone protested that he was Mexican. Believing he/she is not a white Mexican I would like to apologise the stress I caused to all non white anarchists.

I would like to modify the offendign sentence like this now...

" All the modern kids who have to take pain to point out that they are the anarchist tribes are predominanlty white with very few misplaced lost nonwhites who by their fate happen to be living in white cities"

Hope everyone is happy except the pigs.

ram