What do you have against gay people? Thats bullshit that theres no scientificness behind it or anything, many animals are gay and you get gay fish in some places. They should be allowed to do what they want. I doubt you're complaining about lesbians kissing in front of you or women wearing wet t-shirts are you?

ha ha sweetheart, what are you afraid of? I'm glad I dont have to live inside your head. As you are very confused about the subject of what is consensual sex, I have to wonder if you have ever experienced it.

Or met any living, breathing human beings who have.

My dear, save your ranting for the therapy sessions you so desperately need. Meanwhile, we'll all get on with reporting and debating the news.

This wouldnt happen to be an attempt at irony, would it?

"I have never come across anyone with 'innate homosexuality.' That notion has been a long-proclaimed gay-activist political position, intended to promote the acceptance of homosexuality as a healthy, fully equal, alternative expression of human sexuality. It has zero scientific foundation though its promoters latch on to even the flimsiest shreds of atrocious research in their attempts to justify the notion."
Toronto Professor of Psychiatry, Joseph Berger (Letter, Globe and Mail, Feb 26, 1992).

Homosexuality is a MENTAL ILLNESS



"The gay world is anything but gay; it is inhabited by an inordinate number of the neurotic, the self-absorbed, the lonely, the alcoholic, the sexually compulsive, and the suicidal. And all of it is shrouded by the spectre of deadly communicable disease."[6]

"I've just got to get this homosexual monkey off my back. I just frankly can't live with it. I must either extinguish it, if I can, or maybe by religion extinguish all sex. And the other thing is to be dead. To have anonymous sex with other sick men, I can't make a life out of that..."[75]

Intimidating the APA

"homosexuals have gone beyond the plane of defensiveness and now argue that their deviancy is a 'desirable, noble, preferable way of life.'"[69]

"[I]n a deliberately planned campaign of intimidation and disruption, the U.S. National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF), declaring that 'psychiatry is the enemy incarnate,'[25] actually managed to force a 1973 convention of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to declare homosexuality, theretofore defined as deviant, 'a normal condition.'"[G374] It should be noted that only half of the APA members voted, and of these, only 58 percent agreed with the change.[G375] It should also be noted, that the study by the NIMH task-force which recommended the change did not include psychoanalytic clinicians.[R143]

"Only three psychiatrists were participants [in the NIMH study]. One of them, Dr. Judd Marmor, had for years espoused the view that homosexuality is normal. The chairman, a psychologist, Evelyn Hooker, Ph.D., was of the same long-time conviction. The Kinsey-Hopkins faction was represented by Paul Gebhard, Ph.D., Director of the Institute for Sex, Indiana University, and John Money, Ph.D., from Johns Hopkins, a prime mover among the proponents for transsexual surgery."[s86]

"The consequences of this action are of a formidable nature. Not only will the homosexual be victimised, but the entire area of research in the development of gender identity will be damaged. Young men and women with relatively minor sexual fears of the opposite sex will be led with equanimity by psychiatrists and other members of the medical profession who buy this bill of boods into a self-despising pattern and lifestyle. Homosexuality will henceforth be touted as simply an acceptable variation on the norm. Adolescents, nearly all of whom suffer some sort of uncertainty as to identity, will be discouraged from assuming that one form of gender identity (one's own birth-right) is preferable to another.[74] And those persons who already have a homosexual problem will be discouraged from fighting their way out of a self-destructive fantasy, discouraged from learning to accept themselves as male or female, discouraged from all of those often painful but necessary courses that allow us all to function as reasonable and participating individuals in a co-operating society." [s89]

"Even four years later, a survey of 2500 psychiatrists found that 69 percent believed homosexuality was 'a pathological adaptation.' About 18 percent disagreed; 13 percent were uncertain."[G375] The decision was the result of political pressure, not expert consensus.

"And homosexuals tended to feel the same way about themselves. About 25 percent believed their behaviour was an emotional disorder, and 37 percent answered they they were 'emotionally disturbed.' Young male homosexuals (14-21) commit suicide at two to three times the rate of heterosexuals (Paediatrics, June 1991). For all ages, their rate is six times that of heterosexuals."[G375]

"many members of our profession still privately express the opinion that homosexual development is not normal. The 1973 ruling did not resolve the issue --it simply silenced 80 years of psychoanalytic observation."[13]

Politically Correct Research

And what has followed the ruling? Pseudo-scientific garbage written by homosexuals, citing their own work or that of other homosexuals, trying to justify their behaviour which, instead of being based on scientific tradition, is based on political dictate. Post-1973 research is a vast sterile wasteland peppered only by abortive attempts, for how can 22 years of research, stemming from political dictate, even begin to compare with over 80 years of impartial scientific inquiry? It can't, and it shows.

To give one example, I mention the Lavey experiment: a gay physician compared the brains of heterosexual and homosexual men. Never mind the fact that there are large differences in brains between individuals and he used a relatively small sample size, he also has to contend with the fact that many of his "gay" subjects died of AIDS --which frequently causes brain deterioration and that brains literally can change according to use.

This author has worked in the medical community, and knows that there is no medically-acceptable way of "normalising" and comparing brains, let alone functional "parts" of brains. This pathetic and morbid image --the image of a lone homosexual slicing up the brains of his formerly diseased and now dead friends in an effort to justify his behaviour, makes a more vivid statement about post-1973 research than all the words I could ever write in a lifetime.

And how do you identify "pro-homosexual" research? Through the use of politically mandated phrases like "sexual orientation" --which implicitly assume that there is more than one kind of sexuality. Such phrases, when used in an argument about homosexuality, beg the question in favour of the mandated outcome. Likewise, the word "gay": It is a sad attempt to pretend that the homosexual condition is a somehow happier existence than that of common man.

"In 1973 a movement first spearheaded by Vice President Marmor of the A.P.A. and other psychiatrists in league with the Gay Activists Alliance, the Mattachine Society, and the Daughters of Bilitis (the women's arm of the Mattachine Society), undertook to influence the Nomenclature Committee of the association to delete 'homosexuality' from the diagnostic nomenclature."[s88] More recently, homosexuals have been attempting to ADD the word "Homophobia" to the nomenclature --in an attempt to suggest that those who OPPOSE homosexuals are mentally ill.

Another recent study (not worth referencing), is one in which "homophobic" males were subjected to "gay" pornography while a "peter-meter" read their level of arousal. Typically, this study is summarised by saying that it "found that homophobic men became aroused when viewing gay pornography."

Yeah, right... Since the study was intended to prove the existence of homophobia, it is plain question-begging --assuming what you wish to prove-- to categorise certain males as "homophobic" and to then subject them to a test for arousal. The screening method (for "homophobes") could easily be tailored to eliminate problematic individuals.

Also, there is the question of believability: What real homo-hater would consent to have a device attached to his penis, and to be subjected to homosexual pornography? --especially when you consider that the study was probably administered by homosexuals.

In addition to this, we might ask what exactly is meant by "gay" pornography --how we are certain that these images are what gay men prefer --as opposed to homosexual images tailored to arouse normal men; And we might ask what are their comparative reactions to viewing normal pornography.

It is conceivable that the average person might very well become aroused (not noticeably to themselves) by any graphic images, and people who hate homosexuals may very well have a greater overall arousal rate in general. But Homosexuals PREFER sex with other men, and any man whose reaction to homosexual pornography is less than that to normal pornography can not be a homosexual (in the closet or otherwise).

On top of this, the researchers themselves admit: "anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection," and so it is also possible that "a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research." And then there's the sample size: 35 "homophobic" men, and 29 "nonhomophobic" men.

Another question which could be asked is just what sort of reputable institution would facilitate a study involving "gay" pornography, penis-meters, and such shoddy, politically-inspired science? (Hint: The University of Georgia.) It probably isn't any place you'd want to send your kids.

The use of terms like "sexual orientation", "gay", and "homophobia", is a form of political pandering to "gay approval". Any so-called "scientist" who resorts to such linguistic trickery or pandering should be recognised as having compromised his scientific objectivity. The correct psychoanalytic term for these people is "homosexual" and what they do is have "intercourse" (although a more accurate term for their practices would be "mutual masturbation") --NOT "sex". All of this linguistic nonsense results from homosexual anxiety about their own behaviour --trying to make the unpalatable more palatable by renaming it.

The Suppressed Truth About Homosexuality

Homosexuality results from environmental factors: molestation, bad parenting, or lack of heterosexual outlet. This is why activists charged that psychiatry was waging "a war of extermination" against homosexuals: By improving these conditions, homosexuality can be eliminated forever... and homosexuals have no intention of letting you do that, even with your own children.

We have dealt with disproportional molestation of children in another section, and it should be obvious by now that the molestation of a child at a particular stage of sexual development, an environmental factor, leads to a perverse sexuality which corresponds to that particular stage. Molestation of youth leads to an acting out of this brutalization, as the youth grows older, on younger youths --and a certain portion of these will not make the adaptation due to impact (at least, not with psychoanalytic help).

Instead, in this chapter, we will concentrate on showing how the environmental factor of bad parenting has been proven by over 80 years research to incline individuals to homosexual development, and we will also detail the chilling story of how this model (including molestation) has been used by homosexuals themselves to promote their behaviour in our society --even as they decry it as "homophobic."

The Freudian Model of Sexual Development

The Freudian model recognises that pleasure is used to ensure healthy development of the individual, and that this pleasurable attention is focussed on various parts of the body to encourage their use at a proper time in the individual's development. The infant, for example, partakes of the maternal breast, and the Freudian model asserts that this experience is rendered pleasurable --encouraging the infant to obtain nourishment (which he would not know how to do otherwise). Likewise, children, at another stage, must learn how to dispose of their waste, and the libidinal attention revolves around the anus at this stage, encouraging regular emptying of the bowels.

Later stages involve attention being applied to one's own genitalia (the Phallic Stage), and this eventually gives way to attention being focussed on some part of the opposite gender --passing briefly (and possibly unconsciously) through a stage where one's attention is focussed on others, but not yet of the opposite gender.

As a mentally-healthy adult, the male youth's awareness of sexual capacity will be located in her, his sexual experiences will be with her, he will think of more than himself and his urges, and he will perform a socially-useful function in exchange for sexual gratification. The transition is a learning experience, hindered or helped by the environment, towards making social contact with women.

Some homosexuals remain in the adolescent transition stage, and are typified by narcissistic and impulsive behaviour, but many are stuck in the earlier stages, including the anal and the oral (where the penis becomes a substitute for the maternal breast). These latter stages are characterised by childish tendencies: selfishness, tantrums, sado-masochism, brutality, etc. Many of these childish tendencies are readily observable on any modern talk-show with such guests.

"Above all, the homosexual must be recognised as an individual who suffers from a psychiatric problem."[s96]

"Homosexuality is indeed an illness. The homosexual is an emotionally-disturbed individual who has not acquired the normal capacity to develop satisfying heterosexual relationships."[69]

Homosexuals, along with every other kind of deviant, are those which have failed to make the transition to becoming a fully-functioning, mentally-healthy adult." It is not within everyone's power to develop completely, and a small minority of both sexes remain in a state of homosexuality."[26]

"[According to Freud] perversion in adulthood denotes the continuation into adult life of infantile sexual behaviour and inclinations, and represents a possible outcome of a failure of social conditioning to suppress perverse sexuality."[68:57]

"homosexual adaptation occurs when heterosexual adaptation proves too difficult.... such factors as inability to cope with the rivalry of more successful brother, or intense jealousy of father, may play a decisive role [27,28,29,30]"[W202]

"The one common factor in all these situations is some hindrance to relations with the opposite sex. It may be through Oedipal guilt, it may be through maladroitness or 'sissiness', but whatever the most appropriate interpretation in a particular case it amounts to this: homosexual adaptation occurs when heterosexual adaptation proves too difficult."[W202]

The psychosexual growth of some homosexuals is retarded and they remain in a state positioned between masturbation and appreciation of the opposite sex --where the sexual attention has focussed on other people, but not yet of the opposite gender. One might argue that some deviations, like voyeurism LEAD in the direction of healthy development, but one cannot say that about homosexuality, as it is a dead end in sexual development --in a cul-de-sac all its own. It shares this distinction with paedophilia.

Environmental Factors

How can normal sexual development be retarded? By application of positive or negative reinforcement before, during, or immediately after puberty. Many people who turn to pornography are socially shy. Homosexuals are typically the products of homosexual molestation or particularly bad upbringings. Considering that the "distance" of the transition from onanism to heterosexuality is greater, in stages, than that between onanism and homosexuality, we see that it is technically "easier" to force homosexual development with environmental factors. From a social standpoint we see the same thing: It is harder socially to meet and date women, than it is to associate with men.

"The life stories of many homosexuals bear witness to the peculiar upbringing to which they have been subjected [31]"[W187]

"The investigators concluded that nearly all homosexual patients had had highly abnormal upbringings, worse than the heterosexual group, and that as children they had acted as scapegoats who brought out the worst in their unhappy parents."[W193]

"Laymen, psychiatrists and psycho-analysts alike commonly believe too intense or possessive mothering risks making a boy homosexual[32].... some observers, including Anna Freud[33], have pointed out that a weak, unsatisfactory, or absent father forms an important part of the picture [34],[35],[36],[37]." [W188] In other words, homosexuality results from a matriarchal (female dominant) form of parenting. This is where the homosexual movement's interests dovetail with that of the feminist movement.

"...it was the standard view that all male homosexuals had domineering, seductive, manipulating mothers... and ineffectual, often absent fathers (weak male role-model). Irving Bieber maintained that in none of the cases he treated or studied had there ever been a normal father-son relationship. A Toronto psychiatrist told me that all the homosexuals he treats have had 'unsatisfactory relations' with their parents. About 40 percent of all lesbians have dead or divorced mothers"[G367]

"...one can often discern the Freudian themes running through the life histories given by homosexuals. For example, the point about the undue attachment of the male homosexual to his mother is in many cases easily seen without any special investigation."[W180]

"In his classic exposition of psycho-analytic theory[46] Fenichel comments: 'The majority of homosexuals not only present an Oedipus love for their mothers, just as do neurotic individuals, but for the most part the intensity of the mother fixation is even more pronounced.'"[W189]

"Indeed, many psycho-analysts, such as Bergler and Cappon[47], have commented on the emotional immaturity and neurotic disposition of the sexual deviants they see. Edmund Bergler[48] in particular, emphasised they they are SICK PEOPLE, so much so that 'Even if the outer world were to leave them in peace, homosexuals could lead miserable lives.'"[W183]

"...boys who have lost their mothers may become homosexually orientated through trying to win the affections of the remaining parent by playing the role of substitute wife." (Freud suggested that one reason for the prevalence of male homosexuality in ancient Greece was that boys were tended by male slaves [who were unmarried].)"[W201]

Regarding the question of molestation, Freud says that "An unconscious desire to find another 'mother's little boy' explains why some male homosexuals chase after children."[W203]

Some authors have suggested that homosexuality is a regression to the infantile, oral stage: "In some way the penis becomes the symbol for the maternal breast, and hence homosexual behaviour comes about. For instance, in sucking the semen from a penis one is symbolically taking milk from the breast. Alternatively, taking the penis either orally or anally one is taking over the 'masculine' strength of the donor, undoing one's own castration, and fitting oneself to fight the battles of the world again. Of perhaps one might try to deny one's weakness by taking a dominant role sexually with other men."

"The homosexual is engaged in an ego-saving operation to compensate for the defect in his masculinity; he therefore seeks out the masculinity in another man which he then can incorporate. Such compensation via incorporation is fleeting in its fulfilling effect; it requires continuous repetition, as the stolen masculinity is not genuine and is doomed to failure."[s101] (Hence, the homosexual propensity to promiscuity.)

"There's a coarseness, a deadening coarseness, in the experience of most homosexuals. The experiences are quick, and hard, and brutal, and the pattern of them is practically unchanging. Their act of love is like the jabbing of a hypodermic needle to which they're addicted but which is more and more empty of real interest and surprise."[76]

"Fifteen years of practice, teaching, and supervision of psychiatric residents, with continual refinement at the theoretical level, led me to the conclusions discussed in my book, "The Overt Homosexual"(1968). There is no question that by now we have sufficient evidence as a profession to demonstrate that homosexuality can be reversed in many cases or, at least, its symptoms and suffering greatly alleviated by medical psychoanalysis." --Charles W. Socarides. [s82]

Post 1973 Cover-Up

Recent attempts have been made to literally turn the environmental model on it's head --to suggest that the 'innately gay' child inspires abusive, peculiar behaviour in its parents.

Homosexuals, who never cease citing statistics and surveys which show that aside from their sexual conduct they look and act just like everyone else, that they cannot be distinguished from normal society, honestly expect us to believe that a young child who, moreover, has not engaged in sexual conduct of any kind is somehow 'influencing' his parents to act abusively. How is this influence propagated? --etheric waves?

On the other hand, there is nothing subtle about molestation or bad parenting --especially when this influence is applied to a sensitive, impressionable young mind. The converse is not the case: Parents, as we all known, do not have sensitive, impressionable minds. They also don't throw tantrums or react irrationally to circumstances --or at least GOOD parents don't. The suggestion that parents are somehow influenced by their children is thus shown to be nonsense.

But, more offensive still, is the notion that children have an 'innate sexuality' or that parents think along these lines, and react abusively when the correct 'sexuality' is not manifested. The only people who consider children to be 'sexual beings' are those who want an excuse to molest them. Good parents give their children the benefit of a doubt, and bad parents result in a fair proportion of homosexuals in society.


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Homosexuality is a Mental Illness

6 Richard John Neuhaus, "Table for One," Dec 13, 1993. A review of homosexual Bruces Bawer's "A Place at the Table The Gay Individual in American Society." Contains many brilliant arguments.
75 Homosexual writer, in [s100].
69 "The Problem of Homosexuality." N.Y. Academy of Medicine. Bulletin. 40 576-580, 1964.
25 For a description of this entire medical debacle, Dennemeyer refers us to Ronald Bayer, "Homosexuality and American Psychiatry The Politics of Diagnosis" (New York Basic Books, 1981).
G. William Gairdner, "The War Against the Family a parent speaks out" (Toronto Stoddart, 1992). An excellent overview of the liberal agenda and aims by a Stanford professor of philosophy.
R. Judith Reisman, Ph.D. and Edward Eichel, "Kinsey, Sex and Fraud The Indoctrination of a People" (Lafayette, Louisiana Lochinvar-Huntington House, 1990). ISBN 0-910311-20-X. (Can also be obtained for 19.95 (US) from A-albionic Research, P.O. Box 20273, Ferndale, Michegan, 48220.)" [Dedicated] to the several hundred children who suffered inhumanely in the illegal sex experiments that constitute the basis for a significant portion of Dr. Alfred Kinsey's book "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male." Many of these children will still be alive today. It is also dedicated to those children who are being subjected to the kind of Kinseyan sex education curricula described in this book." YOU MUST READ THIS.
s. Charles W. Socarides, M.D., "Beyond Sexual Freedom" (New York Quadrangle, 1975). An overview of modern societal degeneration, including chapters on feminism, group-sex, communal living, pornography, homosexuality, and sex-mutilation surgery.
74 Bloss, P. "On Adolescence". N.Y. Free Press, 1961.
13 Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, "The California Psychologist," February, 1989.
69 "The Problem of Homosexuality." N.Y. Academy of Medicine. Bulletin. 40 576-580, 1964.
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68 ed. Mark Cook, Kevin Howells, "Adult Sexual Interest in Children," Academic Press, Toronto, 1981.
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28 Lewinsky, H. (1952) "Features from a case of homosexuality." Psychoanalytic Quarterly, 21, 344-354.
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30 Schwarz, H. (1952) "A case of character disorder." Bulletin of the Menninger Clinic, 16, 20-30.
W. D.J. West, "Homosexuality" (Chicago Aldine, 1968). An excellent summary of pre-1973 research although, even at that time, experts regularly gave in to homosexual pressure on the child-molestation issue.
31 London, L.S. and Caprio, F. S. (1950) "Sexual Deviations." Washington, Linacre Press.
32 Hamilton, D. M. (1939) "Some aspects of homosexuality in relation to total personality development." Psychiatric Quarterly, 13, 229-244.
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35 Lorand, S. (1951) "Clinical Studies in Psycho-analysis." New York, International Universities Press.
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47 Cappon, D. (1965) "Towards an Understanding of Homosexuality." Englewood Cliffs, N.J., Prentice-Hall.
48 Bergler, E. (1951) "Neurotic Counterfeit-Sex." New York, Grune & Stratton.
76 Williams, Tennessee. "Confessional. Produced in N.Y. under the title "Small Craft Warnings", N.Y. New Directions, 1970.

The BNP link gives the game away somewhat...

Wrong forum, bigot!

Ok sweetheart, heres the deal.

You save your bizarre ranting for the therapy sessions. We continue reporting and debating the news. That alright for ya?

Furthermore, I hardly think that one so evidently inexperienced in consensual sex has a right to an opinion about the sexual behavior of others. Especially one who prefers rapists to gays.

Homophobia is part of being a Nazi, no such thing as non homophobic nazi because they all have anti gay policies.

BNP fuhrer Nick Griffin is hysterically homophobic, and talked about being pleased about the nailbombings, calling gay people "creatures". He talked about "pushing them firmly back into the closet and locking it".

If that wasn't bad enough, John Tyndall, founder-Fuhrer of the BNP has even criticised Nick Griffin for not being homophobic enough, and suggests they ban homosexuality and send gay people to prison, and even worse measures.

No wonder this bloke put a BNP website on his article.

So any sex not specifically initiated by the woman is rape? Uhhh no.. go figure you pathetic twat.

If you think opposing removing our rights to a fair trial when it comes to rape cases means I sympathise with rapists then you're wrong. I just believe that real rape should be rape, and new idiotic notions like "if a woman regrets it later it was rape" trivialise rape and endanger innocent men who've done nothing wrong. Plenty of lefties agree with standpoint on this too you know.

And yes, homosexuals are unnatural and mentally disordered, most psychologists followed this line until they were forced by political correctness to reclassify homosexuality.

Why is gay rights people like Tatchell reckon shagging 9yr olds isnt harmful? because they're already so perverted it makes no difference to them.

personally I am ready to hide this post, for inaccuracies, general homophobic tone and links to far-right sites. In spirit of fair play, is anyone offended by article and wants it hidden?

Try reading the facts, the references are for books written by academic psychologists not ideological nazis!

Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.. used to live in London until it got "taken over by ethnics/"coloured people"", mates with Brian Souter, hates "homosexual nancy boys", middle class tosser lives in suburbia and loved Margaret Thatcher and Section 28 but now wants to vote BNP since they started standing in middle class areas.

He likes the BNP cos the Tories have "gone liberal" since Maggie Thatcher went, and wants something to do be done about "asylum scroungers" who are being housed in a new centre thats too close to his backyard, "black crime" and "black yardies" and "black gun culture", and wants to stop a new mosque being built near a park because it "won't fit the community, they'd be better off in Ilford perhaps..". Give his wife the odd slap or rape so he doesn't like the idea of the old Victorian "if she's wearing a short skirt she was asking for it" rape laws being changed. Has a pathological hatred of gay people for no apparent reason, thinks that Dale Winton should be banned from TV, censors his kids reading material and thinks criminals should be flogged. Wants to pull out of the EU and return us all to victorian times.

Looks like the BNP have taken to posting their latest press releases on IMC again.