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Anti War activists attempt to lock on to moving carpet bomb convoy

Bomb Buster | 01.04.2003 11:51

Anti War activists have again tried to blockade a convoy carrying 'dumb' bombs by road from RAF Welford to RAF Fairford. The bombs will be used for carpet bombing Iraq from B52s based at Fairford

Antiwar Activists Halt Bomb Convoy Again


At 9am this morning anti-war activists used their bodies to stop a convoy carrying bombs as it was making its way from the bomb 'depot', RAF Welford in Berkshire, to RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire.

In a protest against the humanitarian cost of war on Iraq, 5 activists locked themselves onto the lorries that make up the bomb convoy. They were attempting to prevent the convoy's deadly cargo from reaching RAF Fairford where it is believed it will be loaded onto United States Air Force B52 bombers destined for Iraq.

The convoy was successfully halted on the west bound slip road at Chievely junction (M4/A34) north of Newbury. One group blocked the lead vehicals, whilst others attempted to lock on to the bomb transporters. Police and lorry drivers seem to be under orders to keep the convoy moving at all costs. Activists were forced to unlock as the lorries kept moving despite the drivers being told that there were people under their vehicals.

As with a similar action last week no arrests were made.


more soon

Bomb Buster

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if the trucks kept moving

01.04.2003 12:45

did you take pictures? license plates of the vehicles? witnessess? film? they endangered your lives! you can take them to court for that, you should take them to court for that. This is an outrage!

you dont drive a vehicle when someone is chained to it! god damn fucking soldiers!

enraged

eye witness account

01.04.2003 15:45

Peace Campaigners Stop Bomb Convoy
1st/04/2003

Today peace campaigners attempted to stop a convoy of bombs from RAF Welford to USAF Fairford where they will be soon shattering the bodies and lives of Iraqi civilians.

Despite about eight police vehicles guarding the convoy the group successfully caught the convoy by surprise and stopped it briefly. Campaigners ran in front of the convoy and others lay on the road locked together in metal tubes. Police moved quickly in numbers and threw peace campaigners to the side of the road. Trucks continued while campaigners were underneath and the large number of police meant people did not have quite enough time to lock on under the vehicles before police removed them.

One of the campaigners said, 'We held them up but did not stop them; a couple of seconds more would have been enough to stop a couple of the trucks. Remember we are a few concerned citizens trying to peacefully stop well-trained police and military personnel. Think what could be done if hundreds of civilians, opposed to the war, took direct peaceful action. We do not do this lightly but believe strongly that we all have a responsibility to take action against an illegal war, the humanitarian disaster the UN predicts and to bring our troops home quickly and safely.'

bomb busters

HAHHA

01.04.2003 23:06

Those soldiers should be given a commendation.

RightIsRight

sedition

01.04.2003 23:14

I sure hope they have pictures. After all, the
anti-war activist were all committing acts
of sedition. It sure would be fun to throw the
whole lot of them into jail.

logical

who forced 'em

01.04.2003 23:15

Who forced 'em to chain themselves up? hmm? Anyone, anyone...

tom

Pointless

01.04.2003 23:21

The protesters endangered their own lives.

Sean

Oh my god

01.04.2003 23:21

Oh my god. Why did they continue to move? They could have hurt someone. We should just run in front of the convoy and see what happen.

Sarcasm off.

Jason

Well, duh ...

01.04.2003 23:21

What did you guys *expect* them to do? They've got a job to take care of. Why don't you little whinging children find a constructive way to protest this war instead of throwing yourselves in front of bulldozers, chaining yourselves to trucks, and generally acting like idiots?

Poet's Daughter

Soldiers behaved wrongly

01.04.2003 23:27

What the soldiers did was horribly wrong.

Considering the consequences of Islamists hijacking a munitions convoy, they should never have slowed down.

kps

Chickens

01.04.2003 23:28

Why did they unlock their chains? Weren't they willing to pay the ultimate price for their cause? Ya know, like... say...American, British and Australian troops...

I think the term is "chicken doves"....

Tongue Boy

Ok

01.04.2003 23:29

Yes, it was the soldiers fault that the activists locked themselves to the truck! If the soldiers and the truck hadn't of been there, the activists lives would never have been endangered!

Feel free to throw large stones at my face, for I am here! It's my fault! The people who throw stones at me are the victims!

Zach Cohen
- Homepage: http://wrrh.blogspot.com

Glad they didn't actually chain themselves

01.04.2003 23:29

That could have been very bad for the trucks and really screwed with the gas mileage.

Jheka

Don't complain

01.04.2003 23:32

What did you expect?

These 'protesters' are lucky they didn't get shot, or at least have their hands cut off.

The munitions being transported are essential military equipment, you might not like their use, but that's too bad. You say they might kill civilians. Chances are, they're not. They're going to take care of thugs who shoot at their own citizens.

If you succesfully stop these munitions, that could result in Republican Guard units advancing and killing UK or US soldiers, or a convoy headed to massacre yet another Kurdish village.

You should write an article that says "We are grateful we didn't get shot by our dangerous actions". Get a grip loonies.

ElCapitanAmerica
mail e-mail: noway@nospam.com

Better Luck Next Time

01.04.2003 23:36

Too bad those Brits unlocked themselves before any fatalities occurred. We are dire straits for more "Darwin Awards" nominees here!

Chirac

Morons

01.04.2003 23:37

Exactly what was it that you morons were thinking!?! Your lucky they stopped at all. Trying to chain yourselves to a military convoy? Your lucky they didn't open fire!

www.pavefrance.com

Ok

01.04.2003 23:38

Yes, it was the soldiers fault that the activists locked themselves to the truck! If the soldiers and the truck hadn't of been there, the activists lives would never have been endangered!

Feel free to throw large stones at my face, for I am here! It's my fault! The people who throw stones at me are the victims!

Zach Cohen
- Homepage: http://wrrh.blogspot.com

Dangerous precedent

01.04.2003 23:39

Stopping for human bodies in the road sets a dangerous precedent. If this continues, eventually someone WILL use this technique to hijack munitions.

Dishman

Darwin Award was SO close!

01.04.2003 23:40

That's one of the funniest stories I've ever heard. I laughed for about 5 minutes. Frickin' idiots. They ought to commend the drivers of the lorries. If the protestors hadn't been able to reach their keys, those drivers could have painted a row of little peace symbols under their cab windows - one for each idiot.

Natural Selection

People who put themselves in danger...

01.04.2003 23:55

put themselves in danger.


The idiocy of these people is manifest. Let's hope they are unable to reproduce.

hobgoblin of little minds

human what?

02.04.2003 00:00

I'm a liberal and I voted for Gore, and I have to say, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that these "human shields" are throwing themselves in the middle of a war but are demanding to be treated like lambs, all in the name of "peace". Exactly what kind of treatment should they expect, as they attempt to disrupt military operations during WAR? Please tell me.....

Alison

Wait

02.04.2003 00:09

Idiots... They should have known that they need to wait another 11 1/2 months for the Annual "Corrie" Award to be available again.

RightIsRight

Good comedy

02.04.2003 00:16

This was one of the funniest moments so far in this war. Those "Peace Activists" (read: Anti-American, Pro-Iraqi torture idiots) must be feeling very stupid right now. This is a good time for them to stop being such assholes and use their fucking brains.

How fucking stupid can you get?

Well done those soldiers. Next time please don't stop.

say it like it is

This parrot is deceased!

02.04.2003 00:19

Sounds like a Monty Python skit to me. Are you sure the boys didn't get back together for this? "I say, Old Boy, seems to be some unwashed, smelly, gutless pacifists dragging from your truck." "Rightie - O! So nice of you to notice. Have a nice day." Next time I hope the soldiers take care to avoid incidents like this - don't slow down and drive over the fools laying in the road! HAHAHAHAHA! Stupid jerks! The real heroes are the British and Aussie lads who are helping our boys in Iraq, not these sorry supporters of Saddam.

Yank Don j.
mail e-mail: djanousek2002@yahoo.com

Better luck next time

02.04.2003 00:20

There seems to a rather vigorous competition for the Darwin Award this year.

Good Show, chaps! Pity nobody made the qualifiers on this attempt but do keep trying.

Darwin Akbar

Priorities

02.04.2003 00:20

Thank goodness we live in countries where the military DOESN'T set the policy. If the pro-Saddamites want to change their country's policy, do it through the elected officials and legal dissent! Anyone coming after a munitions truck should expect to be shot dead.

Model4

Good Show, Chaps!

02.04.2003 00:24

There seems to a rather vigorous competition for the Darwin Award this year.

Pity nobody made the qualifiers on this attempt but do keep trying.

Darwin Akbar

It's......Monthy Python's Flying Circus!

02.04.2003 00:25

Are you sure this isn't a Monty Python skit? Did the boys get back together one more time? "I say, old boy, seems to be some smelly, unwashed peace activist dragging from the rear of your lorry there." "Right you are. So nice of you to notice. Carry on." HAHAHAHAH! The British soldiers really must avoid such atrocities in the future - from now on just don't slow down and drive over the stupid jerks laying in the road! What pathetic jerks! Meanwhile, my thanks to the real heroes - the British and Aussie lad who are helping our boys in Iraq.

Yankee Don J.
mail e-mail: djanousek2002@yahoo.com

Haha.

02.04.2003 00:33

"you dont drive a vehicle when someone is chained to it!"

Ixnay. You don't chain yourself to a vehicle when someone is dricing it.

God, I love Indymedia. Endless entertainment from the pacifascists.

James
mail e-mail: dbmin9@aol.com

Futility with purpose

02.04.2003 00:55

No one said it would be easy to help perpetuate Saddam's government by genocide and torture, but by golly we give it our best! Next time your bloody truck will find my entrails wrapped around the rear drive shaft! Take THAT war mongerers!

Knockabout Boy
mail e-mail: seatree5@netscape.net

Next up....

02.04.2003 00:56

I hear that there is a convoy of bulldozers headed to Iraq also. Any volunteers to stand in front?

Pepsiholic

LGF is pointing wartrolls to Indymedia again:

02.04.2003 00:56

 http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=6098_Indymedia_UK_Seethes_Whines#comments

Quid Pro Quo anyone...?

Justin

Stand aside, Liberal Pussies!

02.04.2003 01:16

Just stay out of our way, and we'll protect you from the Islamic Jihad whether you like it or not.

Remember, they aim to either kill you or convert you. Period.

A. Murrican

Silly children

02.04.2003 01:28

go to the playground and chain yourself to a tonka truck. because in the REAL WORLD you little bits of schtanky flesh arent gonna get the proper 'effect' of your cause.

JustFreddie

Freedom of speech v. vandalism

02.04.2003 01:30

The difference between free speech and vandalism and obstruction should be made clear to these people.

The only way is the hard way. They do not understand speech themselves so I can only recommend the use force and the applications of existing laws to the full extent.

Nicholas

What does "Committment" mean?

02.04.2003 01:31

I can only admire people who are willing to put their bodies in harm's way to support their beliefs.

However, if you choose to put your life at risk, why are you surprised to find out that you might lose? The monks who set themselves on fire (and died!) were willing to die to say what they believed. Soldiers deliberately put themselves at risk to defend their beliefs - and they die, and are horribly maimed, and are taken prisoner and sometimes horribly tortured.

If you are not as ready to put your life on the line, shut up. "Protests" like that only make you look childish.

Tish
mail e-mail: dazip@pacbell.net

Go all the way for peace

02.04.2003 01:33

Come on, guys ... let's show some real commitment next time. Strap yourself to the damn munitions. I'm sure the USAF technicians would gladly lend a hand.

paljoey

What does "Committment" mean?

02.04.2003 01:33

I can only admire people who are willing to put their bodies in harm's way to support their beliefs.

However, if you choose to put your life at risk, why are you surprised to find out that you might lose? The monks who set themselves on fire (and died!) were willing to die to say what they believed. Soldiers deliberately put themselves at risk to defend their beliefs - and they die, and are horribly maimed, and are taken prisoner and sometimes horribly tortured.

If you are not as ready to put your life on the line, shut up. "Protests" like that only make you look childish.

Tish
mail e-mail: dazip@pacbell.net

What does "Committment" Mean?

02.04.2003 01:49

I can only admire people who are willing to put their bodies in harm's way to defend their beliefs.

However, if you choose to put your body in harm's way, there is a good chance that your body will get harmed.

Adults are aware of this, and choose their stands accordingly. For example, the Asian monks who burned themselves alive in protest against a repressive regime. Soldiers, too, (in a volunteer armed force) voluntarily put themselves at risk to defend what they believe in. In war they die, are wounded and maimed, taken prisoner and sometimes horribly tortured. They go to this fate knowingly - knowing that any of those fates could indeed happen to them.

If you are not willing to put your life on the line for your beliefs, shut up and respect those who are willing. "Protests" like this only make you look childish.

Tish
mail e-mail: dazip@pacbell.net

What did you expect?

02.04.2003 01:54

What did you expect? You knew you were putting yourself in danger. If you weren't willing to put your life on the line, you shouldn't have been there.

Hopefully someone will get hurt next time, so these dangerous protestors will get discouraged from continuing these acts of sedition.

chris

Screw the shtoopid "peace" protesters

02.04.2003 01:54

Ha, ha -- the Soddomite sympathizers almost got killed in their "attack" on a military convoy -- too bad the trucks didn't roll over them, or the soldiers didn't jump out and pump a few M16 rounds into them for their traitorous acts of sabotage.

Marvin Gardens

The real blame

02.04.2003 02:11

How come no one's blamed the Jews yet? After all, this IS indymedia.

turtleboy

Freedom of Speech

02.04.2003 02:22

Reminds me of something my brother did - He was an escort for young women visiting Abortion clinics. Activists would lay down on the sidewalk to block entry.

My brother wore golf shoes and Stomped his feet - You wouldn't BELIEVE how fast people got off the pavement. They tried to have him arrested.

The policeman, in between fits of giggling said "You have every right to lay on the public sidewalk. He was every right to walk on that public sidewalk wearing whatever shoes he chooses."

These idiots have every right to chain themselves to trucks. The drivers have every right to drive on.

Orion

Orion
mail e-mail: jburhans@griffon-ltd.com

blubbering children

02.04.2003 02:44

People put themselves in harms way and then bitch about being endangered? Children, this is a war. Soldiers are in it for keeps. If you want to play with fire don't cry when you get burnt.

Dar ul Harbarian

dummies.

02.04.2003 03:09

only a liberal peace sissy would be stupid enough to try bumperskiing when there's no snow.

HEHEHahaha

maximus

This Week's "Corrie" Award

02.04.2003 03:36

Are they dead yet?

Yomama Bin Drinqin
mail e-mail: fyou@umusbeserious.com
- Homepage: http://www.e-t-r.net/video/shit.eaters/ 002.index.html

Next Direct Action!

02.04.2003 03:38

A convoy of steamrollers is scheduled to travel the same route tomorrow in order to do runway repairs!

All of us that are opposed to this war have a moral duty to chain ourselves in front of those steamrollers! Bring all like-minded people so that we can make our stand!

Sid

This Week's "Corrie" Award

02.04.2003 03:44

Are they dead yet?

Yomama Bin Drinqin
mail e-mail: fyou@umusbeserious.com
- Homepage: http://www.e-t-r.net/video/shit.eaters/ 002.index.html

NOT COMPLETELY GUTLESS

02.04.2003 04:11

The most important thing to remember is that althoguh we NOW know that they were peace activists, the truck drivers couldn't have known that when they chained themselves to the truck. All they knew, was that people had broken through the police cordon and were chaining themselves to a munitions truck. Given that our enemy has a penchant for attacks using and against civilians that could be pretty scary. In the US, soldiers have authority to use lethal force in such situations, and (I hope) the justice departmetn would have justification to try them as traitors.

I do have to disagree that they are cowards. It takes at least SOME guts to break through a police cordon to try and stop a military convoy, even if you're not willing to be dragged to death for your cause. There are plenty of activists who have far less courage, in comparison. All of the ones who cry that they're being intimidated or oppressed by other people writing mean articles about them or counter-protesting nearby, for exampe. It's nice to know that some peaceniks of this generation have at least a bit of courage, even if its in the wrong cause. Hopefully, they'll also have the courage to look at the facts and realize what they are wrong about.

ml

Pick on something you can handle next time...

02.04.2003 04:58

Note for people unaware: TRUCKS MOVE.

Before you try chaining yourself to things that move, you should practice with simpler objects: trees, rocks, shrubbery, cookware, apartment buildings and the like.

Then, once you have experience with immobile things, go for mobile objects that are smaller than you: roller skates, hamster wheels, ducks, and so forth.

Only once you realize how foolish it is to do something like that, should you even consider attaching yourself to a large moving object.

And be considerate: bring a spatula and a mop.

Scooter

For Real?

02.04.2003 05:39

Where I come from, if anyone actually purposefully gets in front of a moving vehicle at any time of day, they better be prepared to get run down by it. Where are these people's brains? People are in vehicles to GO places, not to be stalled in traffic by some idiots thinking they can exercise some sort of "right" to ruin everyone else's day. Whatever happened to the sidewalk? There is no real threat of being injured there; one may protest all sorts of things there. But get in the roadway, buster, and be prepared to get run over. I dont brake for animals.

Julia

Perhaps you need to think a bit.....

02.04.2003 06:52

"Enraged" wrote:

>did you take pictures? license plates of the vehicles? >witnessess? film? they endangered your lives! you can take >them to court for that, you should take them to court for >that. This is an outrage!
>
>you dont drive a vehicle when someone is chained to it! god >damn fucking soldiers!



Hrmmm true, but you also don't stop a truckload of bombs on a public road for just anyone. What if they wern't protesting, and just wanted to get their hands on a few truckloads of bombs?

Would I be hearing "You don't just hand over a truckload of bombs to just anyone! god damn fucking soldiers!" from you? Most likely. So, where's the middle that we should settle for here? When you figure it out let me know. But for now, I think people that choose forms of protest that aren't that smart, cannot come crying to me and expect me to care when they are made aware of what a silly form of protest it was by someones actions.

Knarph

thanks for all your pants little comments

02.04.2003 07:18

LGF posted this story on their weblog and the comments have been flying - which is why there is such an influx of peace protestor hating comments:

 http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/ weblog/?entry=6098_Indymedia_UK_Seethes_Whines#comments

check out some of the other threads there - for example the recent death of ism activist and the shooting of the iraqi women + children at US army checkpoint - to get an idea of these people's views.

btw LGF trolls - you should see what the mainstream media here in UK has to say about the US troops "trigger happy" / "cowboys" (from yet another uk soldier injured by your 'friendly fire') etc etc

littlegreenballs

What a hoot!

02.04.2003 07:22

You hafta laugh.Deliberately place themselves in danger -- and then have the cheek to complain about it. Not a lot of trams and trains here.

Amy Dorritt
mail e-mail: little_dorritt@optusnet.com.au

Fuckin' cowardly Brits

02.04.2003 07:52

You should support your troops who are being killed fighting for the security of the world. Dumb idiots, youre gonna get yourselves shot, traitors.

Pete

Stoooooopid

02.04.2003 08:07

Danger: Liberal Bromide may impair judgement, avoid heavy machinery.

You know, I think y'all ought to storm the gates at Andrew's AFB - I don't think they really meant it when they said you'd be shot.

dick

How stupid can you get?

02.04.2003 10:24

You guys should have pulled a Rachel Corrie and simply dived under the thing. You would have died, but oh, the press...

Joe Mama

lmao...dumb f*ckers

02.04.2003 11:07

lmao...first the "fling yourself off a bridge for Saddam" movement, then the short lived "hurl yourself under a bulldozer for hamas" movement...now the "dive under a troop transport for the Feyadeen"... what will these plucky darwin adward entrants think of next?

squaddie

You may violate the laws...

02.04.2003 11:20

...of man. But you cannot violate the laws of physics. The Universe don't tolerate no "civil disobedience".

One quick question: When is the world gonna figure out that we don't consider "cowboy" an insult, but a compliment?

Cowboys? Damn right we are!

daveman

Wow.. i hope the trucks are unhurt

02.04.2003 11:29

LOLOLOL...
Looks like the protestors have a new carrer choice. speed bumps... ahahahahahaha
too bad the trucks didnt' ran the bastards over.. they were scared shitless and ran away, if they had any balls, they'd stick around and become martyrs for hte cause of human speed bumps.
as too the drivers, i think i should buy them a drink.

israeliguy

ARE YOU ALL AMERICAN OR SOMETHING?

02.04.2003 12:22

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

WHY DO YOU WISH PEACE PROTESTORS DEAD?

It seems to me that you have one very short view of reality here. Maybe you think that the 2000 people plus arrested in San Fran for demonstrating against the war should have been shot instead?

OK, it's evidently clear that you do no approve of brit protestors taking peaceful non-violent accountable action against the military, and think that they should be run over and killed, perhaps like some of you have suggested as happened to R Corrie in the occupied territories.

In this country there is a fine tradition of non-violent direct action and civil disobedience, from all sections of society, including clergy.

Sure, such tactics rely on the fact that police and military tend not to shoot people in this country for such protests - and yes we should all be thankful for that - but the truth is, in this country, around half of the population are not for the war...

Our government is still split and the gaps between the US and Blair grow wider every day, especially with regard to US plans for post war iraq.

As to the comment heah-ha we are all cowboys, well, tell that to the families of UK soldiers killed by your soldiers. The phrase was in fact used by a UK soldier being treated after his comrades were killed and injured by a US A10 tankbuster aircraft that twice attacked UK armoured vehicles in broad daylight.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT PEACE PROTESTORS ARE PRO-SADDAM?

- when many of them have campaigned for years against the saddam regime, the treatment and horrors meated out to the kurds, and for the rights and freedom of ordinary iraqi people.

- which countries armed saddam? ok you're no doubt sick of hearing that question but both the US and Uk govs have supported this dictator until very recently.

ALL YOU ARE DOING HERE IS STRENGTHENING PEOPLES VIEWS THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BACKGROUND TO THE CURRENT CONFLICT - AND THAT YOU HAVE LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION IN THIS COUNTRY.

BRIT

Direct Action!

02.04.2003 12:46

A convoy of steamrollers is scheduled to travel the same route tomorrow in order to do runway repairs!

All of us that are opposed to this war have a moral duty to chain ourselves in front of those steamrollers! Bring all like-minded people so that we can make our stand!

Sid

Next Acton

02.04.2003 12:52

A convoy of steamrollers is scheduled to travel the same route tomorrow in order to do runway repairs!

All of us that are opposed to this war have a moral duty to chain ourselves in front of those steamrollers! Bring all like-minded people so that we can make our stand!

Sidney

YAWN YAWN...

02.04.2003 13:10

Now you are reposting the same comments from
 http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com
that have already been posted here! Duh!

By the way, it may interest you to know that this weekend there will be the following protests around the UK - you will have to shoot, or run over, rather a large number of UK citizens you know...

*Saturday London: BBC Broadcasting House at 2pm heading to the US Embassy in Grovesnor Square.

*Saturday will also see protests at Fylingdales US Space Command in yorkshire, military ports in Plymouth and Portsmouth, and at RAF Stafford.

*Saturday also will see protests in Edingburgh, a large demonstration in Glasgow, Manchester, and Bristol.

*Sunday will see yet another protest at USAF Fairford from which B52 bombers have been conducting bombing operations.

*Sunday will also see protests at RAF St Athan in Wales, RAF St Mawgan in Cornwall, RAF Molesworth in Cambridge, RAF Cottesmore, and near london - Northwood base - the British Permanent Joint Forces Headquarters.

*Many other protests are due to be seen at other military bases in the coming weeks. The Stop The War Coalition will give full support to protests at bases during easter, following the next massive national demonstration in London on Saturday 12th April.

*The annual blockade of Faslane Nuclear Submarine base is set to go ahead on 22nd of April.

*Shut Down DSEi (Defence Systems Exhibitions International) will go ahead this year when the arms fair returns to the London Docklands. At the last exhibition thousands of protestors demonstrated and disrupted the arms sellers, objecting to the selling of weapons banned under UK law. The date of that was September 11th, 2001...

 http://www.stopwar.org.uk

all your bases belong to U$ ;)

Bad Bad Israelis

02.04.2003 13:28

"OK, it's evidently clear that you do no approve of brit protestors taking peaceful non-violent accountable action against the military, and think that they should be run over and killed, perhaps like some of you have suggested as happened to R Corrie in the occupied territories."

**********************************************

Occupied territories? That is open for debate...

Sean

Not Pro-Saddam?

02.04.2003 13:52

So you protestors are against the saddam regime? So how are you going to fix this mad man who slaughters the innocent with methods including, but not limited to, chemical weapons and torture? By chaining yourself to military convoys? By taking a shit on the sidewalks of San Francisco? By blocking intersections in NY and DC?

The only way to get rid of this dictator, is through force, you are pro-saddam if you are against this force, perhaps you do not agree with his ideologies, but you are offering no method to get rid of this horrible dictator. And for the record, I am very much doubting a sit-in will convince him to leave. If you are unwilling to fight, nobody is forcing you, we ask for volunteers, and we have them. Nobody forced your country to send soldiers, Blair understood the necessity of it, and against popular opinion he is going into this action, certainly not to help him get re-elected, but because he knows of the dangers of not doing it. If we don't get rid of him, millions of Iraqis will suffer.

To answer you question, I am sure that most of my compatriots who believe this war is justified are aware that at one time, we did support the Iraqi government, as well as the Taliban. Does this in turn mean that since we have discovered our mistake that we can not rectify it? At one point your country had taken a huge portion of the globe as its empire, the US at one time had slavery. Does this mean that we can not put these evils to rest?

If you can offer a realistic approach for eliminating this genocidal dictator, who threatens the globe with his capabilities to construct and supply weapons of mass destruction, then please enlighten us savages who feel as though war is an answer.

Might I add, while you feel war is not the answer, it has brought an end to the holocaust, slavery, facism, and many other horrors.

Curtis

Occupied territories

02.04.2003 13:58

Occupied territories = simply the name most british media use. Gaza Strip would be more correct.

U$

METHODOLOGY RE SADDAM

02.04.2003 14:19

I am against murder, but I do not support the death penalty for convicted murderers.

I am against dictators, but I do not advocate war against all dictators and their regimes. If I did there would be a long list.

Are we to attack all of the dictatorial regimes that abuse their own people? If so, we wage war with most of the world.

In answering back, of course sit-ins in the UK or US would not move saddam one inch, but who else are we to attack - since the current course advocates war against the so called axis of evil countries, and more besides.

It's not because I think Saddam is right, but that I think that war is the wrong method in this situation. The repurcussions will be felt far and wide. While I of course hope the outcome for the world will be positive, I doubt this and in fact presume the fallout from this will simply increase world instability.

It's not as simple as Saddam bad, coalition good. There are many aspects to this war beyond the grim history of one dictator and his regime.

So tell us, who else is on your list for bombs and US sponsored regime change?

BRIT

hoisted by their own petards...

02.04.2003 14:20

hearing about this "outrage" can only make me smile inside (and outside, too).

these little "peace" activists are so arrogant as to think that because they are white, bourgeois know-nothings, the
military is going to cooperate in their own impotence...

no matter what occurred, the protestors just got their just
deserts...

Authentic Liberal

R.B. Glennie
mail e-mail: arbg20@hotmail.com
- Homepage: http://authenticliberal.blogspot.com/

One Honk

02.04.2003 14:28

One honk, motherfucker.
That's all you get from me before I run your stupid ass over.
Then I'm suing your estate for the money I have to spend to clean your nasty, stinking, hippie, speed bump, carcass off my car.

Fuckwit morons.

ihatepacifascists

If it was up to me

02.04.2003 14:42

My list for regime change would be very encompassing, including much of Africa, the Middle East, numerous Latin American countries, and a good deal of South East Asia.

What are you basing this instability from the regime and government change we are planning to institute? Are you basing this on our history of Panama and Japan? Perhaps you mean Germany? I believe all of those are rather upstanding and decent countries by most standards. Bosnia is rapidly joining the ranks of the civilized nations, and there is no reason to presume Afghanistan will not join it there.

However, since it is not my choice, it will only involve countries that present a threat to my nation and her interests.

If you were a young Iraqi, god help you, a young Kurd, would you be sitting there giving this line of shit about "War is not the answer, let's shit on sidewalks". No, you would be waving flags and dancing in the streets because you have been liberated from a monster.

What if Iraq is harboring terrorists, and/or selling weapons of mass destruction to terrorists? There is intelligence supporting such, and what if it is used against the UK or the US? Would the price not be higher than that paid in the war?

We can pay a low cost now, or we can pay a high cost later. I am going to presume you are familiar with World War II, and the appeasements that led up to the most deadly of all wars. Hitler broke the armistice, he broke the rules of the League of Nations, he had no real army, he could have been easily quashed, but the maxim of peace carried the day, and he was given room to carry out his ambitions in hopes that he would be sated. This lesson was learned by Italy and Japan who took Ethiopia and Manchuria respectively.

I can not think of a more fitting example of why a low cost needs to be paid now before we see millions die to chemical and biological weapons.

Of course I believe that Iran and N Korea need to be dealt with, Iran will probably only succumb to force, unless the world will present a united front to which they must defer. Hopefully N Korea will succumb to isolation and break to world demands. If either, or both require military action, I support it. Syria in all reality will probably require military force because they are now harboring Iraqi scientists who have worked towards these deadly weapons.

I don't advocate war, I think it is a horror that should be wished upon nobody, but sometimes it is necessary.

Want to know one way that we could have solved this without blood shed, if the UN had presented a united front, all the nations standing together to tell Iraq that unless it gave in to the demands, they would use force, Iraq has no chance of winning against the Coalition, but it can win by default if they are pressured by the other nations to exit peacefully leaving the old regime in power. That is what the regime hopes for.

It is too late for that, it seems a great irony to me that those who so fervently sue for peace are in fact greatly responsible for the necessity of war due to their short sightedness. And if they have their way now, they will open the door to atrocities that will challenge the holocaust in scope.

Curtis

Well Gee

02.04.2003 14:46

Does anyone remember the dog from National Lampoon's Vacation? I have a little scenario playing in my head, a British truck full of munitions being pulled over by the Motorway police, the Sergeant stepping down, trying not to laugh as the patrolman angrily points at the chain and hemp T-shirt dangling off the rear bumper, biting his lip, almost in tears...... I love that movie, who knew it would be pertinent to the pro-saddam protests?

Eric
mail e-mail: gaheris99@hotmail.com

Thanks to IMC Admins

02.04.2003 14:52

Thanks to IMC admins for allowing this somewhat overlong display of bile to remain here, so that everyone else can see the fucked-up joy of war in these people's hearts. It's all rather sad, but I do like reading IMC when they sometimes allow these kinda posts to remain. It makes me stronger seeing these kid like splutterings.

Maybe we could arrange a meet up?

bilebilebile

support our boys!

02.04.2003 15:14

"Of course the people don't want war... that is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Hermann Goering, at the Nuremburg Trials, 1946

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Nazi?

02.04.2003 15:30

You are going to let the words of a Nazi cause sedition within your country? You are going to let a Nazi divide your country with his mere words? I could say many things, if I was a great murderer, who slaughtered an ethnicity, and told my judges that "Those who sue for peace, made my efforts possible, without them, I would have never gained a foothold to build my massive war machine, without those who would not have war, I would never have been able to kill this generation of people." Would you take my words to heart?

Curtis

Interference

02.04.2003 16:52

Idiots.

In the US, I believe interfering with military operations or movements is a felony. I'm sure the brits have a similair law

Besides, if they chained themselves to transports, they are only causing the transports to be left IN THE OPEN, unprotected. Now bombs are designed to not go off accidentally, but they are weapons. And who knows what shroom-luvin-pot-smoking-unwashed peaceniks are willing to do ( Such as domestic ioiotarians ELF and ALF ).

Not a safe situation...

Remember, if you are anti-war, you are pro-Odai, hussein, and fedayeen. These guys are killers. Maybe you weak minded bleeding heart liberals need to read up on these cretin thugs.

-Daniel

Daniel

what sort of martyrs are you?

02.04.2003 17:00

"Activists were forced to unlock as the lorries kept moving despite the drivers being told that there were people under their vehicals."

Not only illiterate, but a bunch of pussies, as well. Allons-y! Liberez l'Irak!

Brian Dalton

Hardmen

02.04.2003 18:31

These comments above make me wander why they are not soldiers. Surely these mouthpieces who are willing to see others die should put there body where their mouth is.

Join the army and assist in the killing...The US/UK/French/German/Russian governments all traded with the Saddamm regime propping it up ensuring the deaths internally continued. The reality is this system thrives of the arms trade and oil where dictators often exist backed by the US/Western administration. The weapons inspections were working but that was just a fig leaf for the US anyway.

Now the US is also well known for training Guerilla soldiers in the use of torture who then fight for their future dictators in it's school of Americas. So to the pro war comments above either put up or shut up, the activists who blocked the convoy put up where as you all are sat at your computer. BRAVE!

Ivan

Putting Up

02.04.2003 19:17

Officer in the US Navy

I have put up, and am still currently in the act of putting up.

As for the others, you do not necessarily have to be a participant to support the cause. They merely find you all mostly as ignorant children, unable or perhaps unwilling to understand what is going on.

The US propped up Iraq because of a dangerous movement that was occuring in the Middle East, you may have heard of it, it is called the Islamist movement, a fundementalist government defined by the religion of Islam in its cruelest form. In retrospect, we created a lesser evil for the time being, but still an evil that must now be dealt with. We could not have directly intervened in the area, the USSR would have felt threatened, and possibly intervened on behalf of who ever we were moving against. That was basically what the cold war was all about, if somebody chose a side, the other would support the other. When Russia invaded Afghanistan we supplied the Taliban to fight them off, we figured out our mistake and corrected it, just as we are now.

As for the US training guerillas, has this been done recently? Are you privy to knowledge about some black ops that the US is currently involved in?

Would you have protested the use of force in Afghanistan before the 9/11 disaster? If we had done it, there would still be another 3,000 Americans alive who were by any account innocent, and the World Trade Center would still be standing. I am personally not willing to wait for anthrax to be used in my home town (DC) and hear of my friends and family dying before we move against Iraq.

The protesters may not be cowards, but they are ignorant. They protest as thought it were merely the fashionable thing to do.

It is your turn to put up or shut up: Offer a realistic answer to this problem that does not involve force.

Curtis

Oh you fucking idiots

02.04.2003 19:48

What a funny story, it really made my day. There are those amongst us who believe in, and have the courage to defend our culture, rights and freedoms...the same rights and freedoms that allow you spineless, soft, spoiled useless idiots to carry on your so-called peace protests.
While those with real courage and conviction attempt to halt the spread of a murderous, intolerant and hateful ideology, you on the left blithely, almost eagerly, join these same bigots to denounce supposed American imperialism.
How sweetly ironic that the first victims of Islamic fundamentalism would be the same treacherous leftists, with their debauched lifestyle, now protesting against the war. It almost makes me wish for the success of global jihad.

northof40(the parallel)

Another question

02.04.2003 20:21

In what universe do you live that the inspections were working? We destroyed missiles situated to be fired at Israel (which exceeded the range limit), Iraq has fired missiles that exceed the range limit, and we have found missiles similar to cruise missiles (designed to attack ships, that very much exceed the range limit), not to mention the hidden chemical facility, and the thousands of chemical suits.

But of course in your dimension, he was actually being forth right about all of this materiel that he possessed that broke the sanctions against his government.

Curtis

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02.04.2003 22:21

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USA ALL THE WAY!!
- Homepage: http://pavefrance.com

Who armed Saddam?

03.04.2003 01:28

In response to: BRIT 9:22am Wed Apr 2 '03

whom spewed the following idiocy:
"- which countries armed saddam? ok you're no doubt sick of hearing that question but both the US and Uk govs have supported this dictator until very recently."

How about actually knowing what you're talking about before vomiting forth such pathetic lies.

 http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons.JPG

 http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons%20-%20snapshot.JPG

Wow it seems that the US & UK provided less than 1% of the weapons to Iraq, your friends the Russians, the French, and the Chinese provided almost 82% of the weapons that Iraq acquired during its' military buildup. Are you really so stupid that you didn't even question why Iraq isn't fighting with any British or American equipment. His tanks are Russian, his rifles are Russian and Chinese, and his aircraft (what's left of them) are French.

Read something other than your socialist news sources. The truth will set you free.

Bildo

Try using a little fact in your arguement.

03.04.2003 01:31

In response to: BRIT 9:22am Wed Apr 2 '03

whom spewed the following idiocy:
"- which countries armed saddam? ok you're no doubt sick of hearing that question but both the US and Uk govs have supported this dictator until very recently."

How about actually knowing what you're talking about before vomiting forth such pathetic lies.

 http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons.JPG

 http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons%20-%20snapshot.JPG

Wow it seems that the US & UK provided less than 1% of the weapons to Iraq, your friends the Russians, the French, and the Chinese provided almost 82% of the weapons that Iraq acquired during its' military buildup. Are you really so stupid that you didn't even question why Iraq isn't fighting with any British or American equipment. His tanks are Russian, his rifles are Russian and Chinese, and his aircraft (what's left of them) are French.

Read something other than your socialist news sources. The truth will set you free.

Bildo

Try fact, it works

03.04.2003 01:35

In response to: BRIT 9:22am Wed Apr 2 '03

whom spewed the following idiocy:
"- which countries armed saddam? ok you're no doubt sick of hearing that question but both the US and Uk govs have supported this dictator until very recently."

How about actually knowing what you're talking about before vomiting forth such pathetic lies.

 http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons.JPG

 http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons%20-%20snapshot.JPG

Wow it seems that the US & UK provided less than 1% of the weapons to Iraq, your friends the Russians, the French, and the Chinese provided almost 82% of the weapons that Iraq acquired during its' military buildup. Are you really so stupid that you didn't even question why Iraq isn't fighting with any British or American equipment. His tanks are Russian, his rifles are Russian and Chinese, and his aircraft (what's left of them) are French.

Read something other than your socialist news sources. The truth will set you free.

Bildo

Dumb and Dumber

03.04.2003 02:06

Hahaha. Dumb and Dumber. I see Darwin Awards in the Future

Egfrow

OH YES, AND FOR BRIT~~~~~

03.04.2003 16:13

In reference to your mundane post:

"WHY DO YOU THINK THAT PEACE PROTESTORS ARE PRO-SADDAM?

- when many of them have campaigned for years against the saddam regime, the treatment and horrors meated out to the kurds, and for the rights and freedom of ordinary iraqi people."

Two questions.

ONE: They're PRO-SADDAM? After campaigning for years against the saddam regime? And all of the treatment and horrors? They're now PRO-SADDAM? Doesn't that sound JUST a little bit like they don't know what the hell they're talking about? They're anti, then they're PRO. THIS kind of wishywashyness is the same stuff that leads them to act upon their beliefs.... then run away when the truck starts moving. Thank god our troops have more spine than they do. At least they know which side they're on. Or maybe it's just YOU who isn't making sense?

TWO: Assume they know where they stand, which is debatable from this fiasco of a "stand"... Apparently the way they were handling it just isn't working. How many years you say they have been battling the regime of horror? And they are still in place and have had absolutely NO thought of running away, until the bombs start to fall. Get the hint. Your way doesn't work. I think it is safe to say that Saddam has been in power long enough for you people to oppose them and try to work your little magic against him. You were unsuccessful (one can only hope that you guys were not as wishywashy as the aforementioned idiots). Now it's time for you guys with your handcuffs and your little arm tubies to step back and let us do the voodoo that we do so well. We made this mistake one time of NOT getting removing his brain when we removed him from Kuwait. I don't think that will be made this time. Call it barbaric. I'd call it SUCCESSFUL.... and that's more than you guys can say.

A COWGIRL

The Funniest Thing I've read in weeks

03.04.2003 19:19

This story takes the cake -- it really perked me up. Although I am happy that the anti-war protestors "unlocked" in order to avoid being run over, thus saving them to make idiots of themselves another day, there is no question that any deaths or injuries that they might have encountered would be classified as suicide or self-inflicted. Believing otherwise would be to assert that someone who runs out into traffic on a busy street because he or she does not believe in automobiles (Save the Planet, you know!), was in fact murdered by the unfortunate driver who ran the "activist" over. Candidates for the Darwin Awards, one and all. Keep it up and keep me laughing.

Colleen

Are these vegetables that walk like a man ???

05.04.2003 20:25

Hmm. . . anyone with the sense God gave Canned Cling Peaches should know better than to CHAIN THEMSELVES TO A CARGO TRUCK UNDERWAY. sheesh! Not only are these people traitors, attempting treason during a war, but should ALSO be sterilized, and any children they already have sterilized: they've proven themselves too stupid to be allowed to reproduce. . .

J. Fred Muggs
mail e-mail: senator@clinton.senate.gov

IDIOTS

09.04.2003 02:56

"if the trucks kept moving
by enraged 9:45am Tue Apr 1 '03



did you take pictures? license plates of the vehicles? witnessess? film? they endangered your lives! you can take them to court for that, you should take them to court for that. This is an outrage!

you dont drive a vehicle when someone is chained to it! god damn fucking soldiers!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pssst....Hey Dummy.....They endangered their OWN lives by
locking onto the trucks.

So, take all the pictures you want. The protesters are the IDIOTS not the soldiers.

Sheesh..the world is full of morons!!

Todd

IDIOT protestors

09.04.2003 02:59

"if the trucks kept moving
by enraged 9:45am Tue Apr 1 '03



did you take pictures? license plates of the vehicles? witnessess? film? they endangered your lives! you can take them to court for that, you should take them to court for that. This is an outrage!

you dont drive a vehicle when someone is chained to it! god damn fucking soldiers!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pssst....Hey Dummy.....They endangered their OWN lives by
locking onto the trucks.

So, take all the pictures you want. The protesters are the IDIOTS not the soldiers.

Sheesh..the world is full of morons!!

Todd

Stupidity

09.04.2003 03:11

Folks, it is *NEVER* smart to chain yourself to the bottom of a vehicle. NEVER. EVER. ALWAYS STUPID. This is no exception.

Peace protesters would make a better name for themselves if they at least seemed to possess intelligence.

brent