Please explain what your criticism is Chris. What's your problem with dos actions?
As I see it we need to attack the powers that be with everything we have at our disposal. Over and over again, until they begin to crumble as they surely will.
PLEASE, no more of this crap. Like it or not, many people in the world want to see sites that are attacked with DoS. Or Spam. Look at Al-Jazeera - it is the most popular item of search engines at the moment, but no-one will find it because people (or the government...?) in the USA attacked it. Much as I dislike and disagree with the propaganda that fills the Western so-called 'news' sites, someone somewhere wants to read them. Same for other sites we do not necessarily like or agree with. Someone will want to look at them It should be considered their right to do so.
Do you really think you or any one else has the right to stop them? Think about it...and stop being thick.
Chris you are getting very tedious now. YOU have posted the same comment so often that IT should be considered spam. I'm getting pretty sick of you neo-liberal P.C. types who can't just let people get on with what they wanna do without sticking your nose in. Do you do this on demos too? I bet you would have handed the black bloc over to the cops in Seattle.
Go lobby your MP or something, give us all a rest.
Fair enough Chris, I should perhaps contain any personal insults (I apologise).
I believe in freedom of speech too, but I kinda draw the line at propaganda. Propaganda (IMHO) is not a valid method of communicating ideas, but simply mind control over the weak/ill-informed. I'm sure you would agree that exploiting the weak for personal gain is a pretty morally corrupt practice. The government is lieing about it's reasons for the war, methods of attack,targets of bombs, innocent victims etc etc. I don't feel too chuffed about that and neither do quite a few others all over the world (quite a few million at last count). The government failed when they tried to convince us that a war was "morally just" and when WMD could not be found they just fucked off the UN and went for it anyway. The government have ignored our right to be heard and listened to. By ignoring that right I feel that they have forfeited their right to continue in power. Governments are MEANT to be run FOR the people, not despite of them. Tony + George have been totally out of order from day one. They have acted illegally/immorally and should be stopped by any means neccessary.
(I've read all your arguements to stop DDoS, still not convinced.A few may be but my guess is that the majority are still fuckin outraged at the government and just want to fight back)
DDoS is caused by sending vulnerable computers trojan horses and viruses, so it unwittingly takes part in the DDoS attack. I disagree with DDoSing any site, not because of the legal issue, (though I worry that IndyMedia may get in a lot of shit with the authorities for this) but because people do not choose to take part in the attack.
What about that Java thing that opens up 16 windows of a site again and again? At least people who want to do can do it, rather than forcing Internet users to take part without them realising it. I heard it was quite effective, it brought down the Number 10 website a while back.
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electrohippy spam?
28.03.2003 22:43
Anyhow, there is some discussion here about this issue -- I think actions like this shouldn't be supported:
Chris
Explain yourself C
29.03.2003 01:32
Please explain what your criticism is Chris. What's your problem with dos actions?
As I see it we need to attack the powers that be with everything we have at our disposal. Over and over again, until they begin to crumble as they surely will.
stinkbomb
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for fu*k's sake
29.03.2003 02:08
Do you really think you or any one else has the right to stop them? Think about it...and stop being thick.
Allie
Oh dear Chris :-/
29.03.2003 07:07
Chris you are getting very tedious now.
YOU have posted the same comment so often that IT should be considered spam.
I'm getting pretty sick of you neo-liberal P.C. types who can't just let people get on with what they wanna do without sticking your nose in. Do you do this on demos too?
I bet you would have handed the black bloc over to the cops in Seattle.
Go lobby your MP or something, give us all a rest.
my name
i actually believe in freedom of speach
29.03.2003 10:38
Allie put it quite well in a comment here:
Regarding the comments from 'no name' about being PC, liberal and the rest -- sorry I don't get trolled that easily.
Chris
fair play...
29.03.2003 12:38
I believe in freedom of speech too, but I kinda draw the line at propaganda. Propaganda (IMHO) is not a valid method of communicating ideas, but simply mind control over the weak/ill-informed.
I'm sure you would agree that exploiting the weak for personal gain is a pretty morally corrupt practice.
The government is lieing about it's reasons for the war, methods of attack,targets of bombs, innocent victims etc etc. I don't feel too chuffed about that and neither do quite a few others all over the world (quite a few million at last count).
The government failed when they tried to convince us that a war was "morally just" and when WMD could not be found they just fucked off the UN and went for it anyway. The government have ignored our right to be heard and listened to. By ignoring that right I feel that they have forfeited their right to continue in power.
Governments are MEANT to be run FOR the people, not despite of them.
Tony + George have been totally out of order from day one.
They have acted illegally/immorally and should be stopped by any means neccessary.
(I've read all your arguements to stop DDoS, still not convinced.A few may be but my guess is that the majority are still fuckin outraged at the government and just want to fight back)
my name
Regarding DDoS
29.03.2003 13:33
What about that Java thing that opens up 16 windows of a site again and again? At least people who want to do can do it, rather than forcing Internet users to take part without them realising it. I heard it was quite effective, it brought down the Number 10 website a while back.
Solidarity, TJ
Thomas J