The Antiwar Movement And Its Discontents
Raghbir | 25.02.2003 14:36
Though im antiwar we have to 'fess up about our crapping on women and gay rights and start all over again.
The Left's unholy alliance with religious bigotry
Nick Cohen
Sunday February 23, 2003
The satisfaction of an anti-war movement which persuaded one million people to tell Iraqis they must continue to live under a tyranny has been disturbed by a dispute among the comrades on the vexed questions of gender and sexual orientation.
My reference last week to the decision of the Stop the War coalition to ally with the Muslim Association of Britain has provoked a few of its supporters to examine the beliefs of their new friends. Not everyone likes what they see. The association, whose members are mainly Arabs, isn't a strong force in British Islam. It is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood which wants a religious tyranny to enforce Islamic law. A supporter explained to the communist Weekly Worker that existing Muslim governments were far too permissive. 'We see no genuine Muslim states in the world today - Saudi Arabia and places like that profess to be Muslim states but this is untrue.'
The association believes the punishment for Muslims who abandon their faith should be death and that Israel should be abolished. Although it didn't support the 11 September atrocities, it refused to condemn the al-Qaeda killings in Mombasa because Israelis were the target. One small group, the Alliance for Workers' Liberty, protested that the coalition was promoting reactionary Islam rather than Muslims with 'democratic, secular and internationalist ideals', but it was overruled by the Socialist Workers Party.
In Marxist terms, the Trots have preferred feudal theocracy to bourgeois democracy which - in non-Marxist terms - is disgraceful and stupid, as a few members of the far Left are starting to realise.
'I ask all you women haters why you protest against one form of violence [war] while supporting the violence against women in Islamic countries [and presumably the West too]?' says one reader of the uk.indymedia website. A gay reader announces: 'I give this warning to the next SWP paper seller I see on Gay Pride: keep the hell away from us.'
But before the complaints got out of hand, order was restored and the debate concluded by a reader who cried that people who condemn fundamentalists were the victims of a 'desperate' plot hatched by 'MI5/Special Branch.' Well spotted, comrade.
Single-issue campaigning always brings strange alliances and it's silly to be over-fastidious. Those of us who can't see any way other than war to remove a tyrant who has killed hundreds of thousands and forced four million into exile are in bed with Tony Blair, a novel experience, but there you are.
It's one thing, however, to see the upholders of sharia law join your demonstration. It is quite another to invite them to co-host your demonstration and embrace them as brothers. The absence of principle is matched only by the absence of intelligence. What is the Left offering Iraq? It has no strategy other than the continuation of a brutal status quo. It can't support the Iraqi democrats because they say Saddam can only be overthrown by violence.
It can't support the Iraqi Kurds because they agree. It has been reduced to allying with religious bigots, the deadliest enemy of those best and brightest Muslims who offer that rare commodity in the Islamic world, hope.
Nick Cohen
Sunday February 23, 2003
The satisfaction of an anti-war movement which persuaded one million people to tell Iraqis they must continue to live under a tyranny has been disturbed by a dispute among the comrades on the vexed questions of gender and sexual orientation.
My reference last week to the decision of the Stop the War coalition to ally with the Muslim Association of Britain has provoked a few of its supporters to examine the beliefs of their new friends. Not everyone likes what they see. The association, whose members are mainly Arabs, isn't a strong force in British Islam. It is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood which wants a religious tyranny to enforce Islamic law. A supporter explained to the communist Weekly Worker that existing Muslim governments were far too permissive. 'We see no genuine Muslim states in the world today - Saudi Arabia and places like that profess to be Muslim states but this is untrue.'
The association believes the punishment for Muslims who abandon their faith should be death and that Israel should be abolished. Although it didn't support the 11 September atrocities, it refused to condemn the al-Qaeda killings in Mombasa because Israelis were the target. One small group, the Alliance for Workers' Liberty, protested that the coalition was promoting reactionary Islam rather than Muslims with 'democratic, secular and internationalist ideals', but it was overruled by the Socialist Workers Party.
In Marxist terms, the Trots have preferred feudal theocracy to bourgeois democracy which - in non-Marxist terms - is disgraceful and stupid, as a few members of the far Left are starting to realise.
'I ask all you women haters why you protest against one form of violence [war] while supporting the violence against women in Islamic countries [and presumably the West too]?' says one reader of the uk.indymedia website. A gay reader announces: 'I give this warning to the next SWP paper seller I see on Gay Pride: keep the hell away from us.'
But before the complaints got out of hand, order was restored and the debate concluded by a reader who cried that people who condemn fundamentalists were the victims of a 'desperate' plot hatched by 'MI5/Special Branch.' Well spotted, comrade.
Single-issue campaigning always brings strange alliances and it's silly to be over-fastidious. Those of us who can't see any way other than war to remove a tyrant who has killed hundreds of thousands and forced four million into exile are in bed with Tony Blair, a novel experience, but there you are.
It's one thing, however, to see the upholders of sharia law join your demonstration. It is quite another to invite them to co-host your demonstration and embrace them as brothers. The absence of principle is matched only by the absence of intelligence. What is the Left offering Iraq? It has no strategy other than the continuation of a brutal status quo. It can't support the Iraqi democrats because they say Saddam can only be overthrown by violence.
It can't support the Iraqi Kurds because they agree. It has been reduced to allying with religious bigots, the deadliest enemy of those best and brightest Muslims who offer that rare commodity in the Islamic world, hope.
Raghbir
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Yes, but . . .
25.02.2003 16:41
The point is not to be anti-war. War is just a symptom of a much deeper problem. What is the point of being anti-war without any radical critique of capitalism? As I'm sure most of you would agree, capitalist "peace" is no peace at all. Capitalist "peace" is peace to work in sweatshops, get fired if you organise a union and get a bullet in the back of the head if you start talking about changing the social order.
The point is this - I am against the war not because I am a pacifist but because the war is a symptom of a failed social order. I don't want this war because it's promoted by the same people who installed Saddam Hussein in the first place and then supplied him with lethal weapons. Now that's what I call hypocrisy!
There will only be real peace when the the last capitalist has been strung up with the guts of the last bureaucrat.
Anarchist Rioter
cohen ......biteme
25.02.2003 18:06
more like 'an anti-war movement which persuaded one million people to tell Iraqis that we don't want 500,000 of u to be slaughtered'....nick obviously forgot about the carnage the war'll cause,the people who die will die cos of us/uk, so they don't count as worthy victims to him. anyways what does he expect in iraq afterthe war? democracy?!?!?
then all the bollox about the opinions of a minority of people who were on the march. Homophobia & sexism is an issue, but a different one. I could list all the people on cohen's side...ariel sharon, anti-gay anti-abortionists crusading christians in the US, Silvio berlusconi etc... so what does that prove?
'It can't support the Iraqi democrats because they say Saddam can only be overthrown by violence.'
some exiles do, some don't. but if u don't agree with nick u don't exist. anyway some leaders of 'deomcratic'movements who hope to gain power after the war matter less to me than grass roots iraq. but i guess democracy means elites and their journalists decideng what's best...
'It can't support the Iraqi Kurds '
i guess those kurds at the demo didn't exist either nick,onlythepower seekers u hang out with..
iraqi kurds live in an autonomous zone in n.iraq and are bitter enemies with the other iraqis. Saying we should support a war cos some kurds want a war is like saying we should start a war with isreal cos some palestinians want it.
'What is the Left offering Iraq?'
Since the peace marches this has been the mantra of the faux-liberals...'well what should we do' 'what's your solution' etc. I must've read it hundreds of times...of course 'the left' doesn't get it's articles published by corporate media, so no-one gets a chance to answer...
'a tyrant who has killed hundreds of thousands and forced four million into exile are in bed with Tony Blair'
but the sanctions have killed more people than that and we are all partly complicit thru taxes etc in that genocide,
should we start a war to remove bush n blair? no cos again victims of us/uk policies don't seem to count
hk
Nick Has It Right On!
26.02.2003 11:31
Ahmed
In the Name of Freedom
26.02.2003 11:55
Nick or Dick as may be the case argues that to support Islamics is to defend reaction. Whilst to support the Zionazis is to defend progress. Loe and behold if Islamic Jihad defeat Israel, the world would be worse off. For years we had the nazi Milosevic, the fascist Taliban now we have the nazi Muslims of the Muslim Association of Britain. ALL IMPERIALIST interventions are done in the name of freedom and this one is no different. Iraquis will be liberated by scud missiles. Their earthly worries of sanctions for a decade will be solved by BUSH, when he send them to meet ALLAH quickly.
Living in London Nick does have the privilige to observe things from afar as if he is on a wall looking at a battle. Unfotunately for those who are fighting or under attack as the case may be they dont have the same privilige or fat ca salary...
Gutenburg
'ahmed'
26.02.2003 12:23
some examples of names u could use
'against the state'
'anarchist'
'worried muslim'
'neo-nazi who can't get attention anywhere else & no-one comes to his ridicuolous pro-BNP site, so tries to infiltrate indymedia'
hk
White Lefties Call Secular Asians Racist!
26.02.2003 14:27
Ahmed
jeezus...
26.02.2003 15:49
first up, i live in n.london, and there are all kinds of nutters living nearby BNPers/jihaders etc
i don't go to uni, or student bars or live w/my mum, sorry....
do i really need to say it? OK, 'i hate all forms of bigotry' which i would've thought was taken for granted
btw your hatred of 'white middle class left' is bigotry based on race, political persuasion and class and is kinda shi*ty for someone who says they hate nazis...
i can't 'live as asian woman' cos i'm not asian or a woman, but my g'firend, who i live with is asian, and she isn't dead
i'm against a war, well massacre is a more accurate term, some people who are homophobic/sexist are also against war, therefore i idolise them?!?!? that's an argument taken right out of the Sun...
if you wanna fight Nazis of whatever type then cool, good luck to u, but don't get the issue confused with whether US/UK should slaughter hundreds of thousands of people
hk
Jeezus...
26.02.2003 16:00
first up, i live in n.london, and there are all kinds of nutters living nearby BNPers/jihaders etc
i don't go to uni, or student bars or live w/my mum, sorry....
do i really need to say it? OK, 'i hate all forms of bigotry' which i would've thought was taken for granted
btw your hatred of 'white middle class left' is bigotry based on race, political persuasion and class and is kinda shi*ty for someone who says they hate nazis...
i can't 'live as asian woman' cos i'm not asian or a woman, but my g'firend, who i live with is asian, and she isn't dead
i'm against a war, well massacre is a more accurate term, some people who are homophobic/sexist are also against war, therefore i idolise them?!?!? that's an argument taken right out of the Sun...
if you wanna fight Nazis of whatever type then cool, good luck to u, but don't get the issue confused with whether US/UK should slaughter hundreds of thousands of people
and i don't support the SWP, nor do most people here I think...
hk
the truth
26.02.2003 20:30
mikey
cui bono?
27.02.2003 16:02
Hmm.. Let's imagine that there was a huge, diverse but united worldwide movement against war and racism; and that many involved in that movement were developing broader challenges to the whole capitalist/imperialist world order.
What could stop such a movement? Ah, the old favourite; divide-and-rule.
Perhaps gay people in the movement can be persuaded to fear and eventually denounce Muslims? Perhaps anti-Zionists can be persuaded to start denying the reality of anti-semitism and the Holocaust; thus scaring the crap out of Jewish people who might (with a bit of luck) respond by rallying round Israel? Perhaps everyone can be persuaded that Communists and Trotskyists are using them as dupes?
Yes, that might work...
kurious oranj
Eh?
28.02.2003 13:13
Joss