Desperate people have been known to do desperate things.
I think you'll agree, Barry , that the Palestinians plight is pretty desperate. Their sons and daughters that martyr themselves against the Israel are bound to be heroes to the people that remain. I don't approve of WAR , but if you want to make it a fair fight why don't you share out the F16's and other US military hard ware then you will be entitled to complain if the Palestinians resort to suicide bombings.

absolute solidarity with the Palestinians !

AN EVIL WAR CRIMINAL IS TO BE ELECTED AS PREMIER OF THE STATE OF ISREAL THIS FOLLOWS ON IN A LONG LINE OF WAR CRIMINALS ELECTED TO OFFICE.these suicide bombers have nothing to offer but there lives in a bitter struggle to get some kind of life.suicide bombing is wrong but understandable when sharron commited his crimes did he single out the difference between children and combatants ,
i dont think so

Yeah, you need to be in a desperate situation to resort to violence, but there are other people in situations far worse than the Palestinians who don't try and make themselves feel better by massacring civilians. Residents of Zimbabwe are treated like shit, so are Tibetan refugees in India and so were the Jews in Yemen and Iraq. Why don't they rise up and blow themselves up? Because the other thing you need is a structured organisation like Hamas or Iran giving you the money and explosives you need, and clerics preaching death and destruction to you. Palestinians can never justify an armed intifada, not because they are not in a terrible situation, but because suicide bombings and terrorism against civilians can never be justified on any grounds. The PA, if they want to start to move towards peace, have to deal with the terrorist infrastructure -- stop funding it, for a start, and arrest terrorists and keep them arrested. I know Sharon isn't making it easier for anyone, but the onus at the moment is upon them.

In the last 2 years, there have been 14,500 Arab terrorist attacks against Israel. Arab massacres of whole Israeli families in the Sbarro and other restaurants. The bloodbath at a peaceful Passover seder meal attended by Holocaust survivors in Netanya.

The deliberate sniper killings of so many Israeli motorists, the mowing down of Israeli mothers, fathers, children and just-born babies on the streets of Israel by cold blooded Arab killers. Buses exploding with hundreds of innocent Israeli men, women, and children - blown to unrecognizable smithereens.

Arab terrorists who blow up disco's, cafe's, weddings and supermarkets where Jewish civilians are torn to pieces. Arab terrorists placing bombs in Universities butchering Jewish students.

When do you think the Arabs will realize, that murdering Israeli pizza-eaters, dance-club people, school kids, teenagers and sleeping five-year-olds is barbaric.

Do these Arabs have any humanity.

It is becoming increasingly obvious, that the followers of Muhammed are not human beings.

Following the murderous terrorist attack on Kibbutz Metzer, the PLO cold-bloodedly stated on its official website, "We will continue to strike in any place, targeting their children as well." Five innocent Israelis, including a mother and her two little boys, were butchered in that attack, all of them, Fatah said, "Zionist colonizers" killed in a "qualitative operation in the settlement of Metzer."

The PLO said in June after the bus massacre that massacred 18 Israeli civilians by a Palestinian homicide bomber. The PLO put out similar comments on there site supporting this butchery.

Somewhere a "Palestinian" watches the BBC and sees a kibbutz, called Metzer, which is getting along with its nearby Arab villages. This cannot be permitted to continue, so two attacks are planned against the place in one day. The first is foiled but the second does the trick. The terrorist bursts into the bedroom where a mother is putting her seven and nine year old sons to sleep. First he shoots the boys in the head to make sure their mother dies in agony, then he finishes her off.

But that's still not cruel enough, so the Palestinians come up with a better plan. At 7:30 in the morning, Israeli school kids crowd the number 20 bus in Jerusalem. A Palestinian homicide bomber gets on the bus and sits exactly where the Israeli children are seated. A second later the homicide bomber blows himself up and 11 Israeli school children are butchered to pieces.

CNN interviewed the father of the homicide bomber, who expained his pride and how he encouraged his son to kill the Jews. When CNN asked him, how he felt that he murdered Israeli school kids? He said how proud he was of his son's actions.

On a recent Shabbos morning, Palestinian terrorists burst into the bedroom of Shiri Shefi, took aim, and sprayed her and her three children with bullets using M-16 assault rifles. Mrs. Shefi, her 4-year-old son Uriel, and her 2-year-old son Eliad were wounded. Five-year-old Danielle, who was shot in the head, was killed.

Last year, a Palestinian sniper trained his high-powered rifle on 10-month-old Shalhevet Pass and killed the little girl in her father's arms. Six months earlier, Vadim Novesche and Yosef Avrahami, two Israeli reserve officers abducted by Palestinian police, were beaten until their heads were unrecognizable pulp and were then disemboweled by a waiting crowd outside the Palestinian Authority's Ramallah headquarters -- who then danced, entrails in hand, through the city's streets.

Shoshana Gottleib, a young, religious mother of four, who told her story, she was in was attacked by murderous Palestinian machine-gun fire by terrorists, and how bending down to put orange peels in a plastic bag, she avoided the bullet that went through her headrest. As it was, Shoshana was critically injured, her spinal cord severed, paralyzing her for life from the chest down.

One of the most interesting parts of Shoshana's presentation was her revelation that the terrorists who opened fire on her were three policemen in Arafat's Palestinian Authority, a fourth, who was Arafat's personal bodyguard in Force 17, and a fifth who had been recruited with the promise of $500. One of the terrorists videotaped the attack on the van, and it was sent to Yasir Arafat. Israel found the tape, when they went into Arafat's headquarters in April.

After the disco massacre last year, which murdered 21 Israeli school girls, a German TV station interviewed the father of the homicide bomber, who showed a letter he received from Arafat, where Arafat praised and glorified his son's actions. Its good to know, Tony Blair Thinks Arafat, who praises when Arab terrorists butcher Israeli School girls is a man of peace.

Palestinians and Arabs talks how they want to exterminate the Jews.
 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-120601holy.story  http://www.nctimes.net/news/2001/20011207/60241.html

Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, a Hamas military leader said this. "I've been told to restrict or restrain what I say. I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures, as none are allowed, because I'm going to speak the truth to you," Siyam said at the conference. "It's simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics."

Syrian Defence Minister Mustafa Tlass, In May 2001 stated on Lebanon television, that if every Arab kills one Jew, there will be no Jews left at all

Hamas terrorist chief Sheikh Ahmed Yassin explains that Palestinian terrorism will in the end destroy Israel and that the Islamic state of Palestine will be built on the ruins of Israel in 2027.

Arafat's speech in Sweden in 1996.
Arafat’s speech in front of 40 Arab diplomats in the Grand Hotel in Stockholm, Sweden, on January 30, 1996. Was called "The Impending Collapse of Israel".

"We will take over everything including all of Jerusalem," he declared repeatedly. Arafat's plan has two main components aimed to cause the Jews to abandon Israel. "Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living on the West Bank and in Jerusalem. Arafat explained that this will be the beginning of a pressure campaign resulting within a few years in Israel's ultimate destruction. "You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs!"

On the same day in 1993 on which Yasser Arafat signed the Declaration of
Principles on the White House lawn, he spoke the following words on Jordan TV:
"Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."

Because of the the Palestinians obsession with implementing Arafat's phase by phase plan to destroy Israel.
There's no safe haven for Jews. Not within Israel and not without. The earth is stained with their blood: From an El Al counter in Los Angeles to a beach resort in Kenya.

No where are the Jews safe from Arab terrorism. Israeli children, teenagers, their elderly, their scholars, Holocaust survivors, are all targets, at home and abroad. Israelis shopping for food, riding a bus, strolling across a campus, dining at restaurants, dancing in clubs, worshipping in synagogues. Not a blessed place in all the world is safe for Jews.

On June 27, PA television broadcast documentary called, Children who love their motherland and die martyrs. The theme of the documentary was to teach Palestinian children to become suicide bombers and murder Israelis, so they'll be rewarded with 72 virgins.

In the documentary, Sheikh Ibrahim Mattsai said, "Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?" Mattsai goes on to say. "How excited I was to hear a Palestinian child tell me that when he is 14 years old he will blow himself up and become a martyr... I praise those sons of Allah who give you and me martyrdom."

After the Disco massacre in June 2001, which murdered 21 Israeli teens, Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi, a PA religious leader, said on Palestinian television, We will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv and in Netanya. We will fight against them and rule over them until the Jew will hide behind the trees and stones and the tree and stone will say: 'Muslim! Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him.' We will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, and Jaffa as conquerors, and Haifa as conquerors and Ashkelon as conquerors."

Khalad Mashal, Hamas (Reuters, February 16):
"You have no place here, on the holy land of Palestine... You will never have security in this place, not even on a single centimeter of this land. This is a call for every Palestinian to turn into a time bomb - to fight them with every means at your disposal."
"Kill them! Allah will answer them through your means! I hope that there are those among you who will kill and be killed!"

The late Faisal Husseini, Arafat's Jerusalem representative, a man who was cultured, sophisticated and considered the most moderate of all the Palestinians, shortly before his death on May 31, 2001, expressed his true feelings in an interview with the popular Egyptian newspaper el Arav.

Husseini said: "We must distinguish the strategies and long-term goals from the political-phased goals which we are compelled to accept due to international pressures." But the "ultimate goal is the liberation of all of historical Palestine."

Explicitly he said: "Oslo has to be viewed as a Trojan Horse."

He even added and clarified that it is the obligation of all the Palestinian forces and factions to see the Oslo Accords as "temporary" steps. Husseini went on to say, Israel wont exist in 20 years.

Sari Nusseibeh is another supposed Palestinian moderate.

In an interview on Al-Jazeera television on July 14, translated by Memri. Nusseibeh praised everyone involved in jihad against Israel. Explaining that he did not want to pass moral judgment on the murderers when he signed a petition a month earlier calling for an end to suicide bombers, Nusseibeh said that terrorism presents no moral dilemma, it is only a question of whether or not "political benefit" accrues from killing Israeli civilians.

One week after the Dolphinarium bombing on June 1, 2001 in Tel Aviv in which 21 people, mainly young girls, were killed, PA television carried the sermon of Sheik Ibrahim Al-Madhi. He said: “Blessings to whoever waged Jihad for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever raided for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body or on his sons’ and plunged into the midst of the Jews, crying ‘Allahu Akbar...’

One day after the Ramallah lynching of two Israelis, Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the PA-appointed Fatwa Council, called on listeners to find and butcher Jews “no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.”

After the Tel Aviv massacre on January 12th, where 2 Palestinian homicide bombers massacred 23 Israeli civilians.

The PLO web site posted a statement -- celebrating the attacks:
"With faith in the calling of holy jihad," it said, "two suicide attackers . . . succeeded this evening to infiltrate the Zionist roadblocks and to enter the heart of . . . Tel Aviv and carried out two consecutive suicide attacks... These suicide attacks caused a large number of fatalities and casualties in the center of the Zionist occupation of our land. We swear before our people that additional suicide operations will occur."

That is a view with which much of Arab opinion concurs. ArabicNews.com, for example, datelined its story on the Tel Aviv attack "Palestine-Israel," and reported that the bombings had killed "23 Israeli settlers." This despite the fact that none of the dead were residents of the settlements.

On Oct. 24, the Palestinian Liberation Army Mufti, Sheikh Col. Nader Al-Tamini, said in a television debate on the Qatari Arabic cable news channel Al-Jazeera that there can be no peace with the Jews because they suck and use the blood of Arabs on the holidays of Passover and Purim.

Just four days later, the official Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram published a full-page article by columnist Adel Hamooda titled, "A Jewish Matzoh Made from Arab Blood." It retold the infamous blood libel story of 1840 in great detail, recounting it as a documented historical fact.

The author went on to explain that the Jews' "bestial drive" to add the blood of non-Jews to matzoh is at the root of the violence. He said Palestinians are often found without a single drop of blood in their bodies.

"The most reasonable explanation is that the blood was taken to be kneaded into the dough of extremist Jews to be used in Matzohs to be devoured during Passover," he wrote.

Huh? That's the most reasonable explanation? The answer is yes to the hysterical propagandists of the Middle East.

Egyptian Television last November and Palestinian Television in 2001 broadcast A 30-part series -- produced by Arab Radio and Television, featuring a cast of 400, and aired during the second half of Ramadan this year -- "dramatized" the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Last March, we were treated to an article in the Saudi government daily, Al-Riyadh, describing in great detail the Jewish method of draining the blood of Muslim children to be used in baking Matza.

The racist lie that Jews drink the blood of Arabs into their matzah is graphically described in "The Matzah of Zion," published in 1983 by Syrian Defense Minister, Mustafa Tlas.

Last June, A Palestinian homicide bomber walked into a shopping mall in a city near Tel Aviv and spotted an ice cream parlor full of children. He detonated a nail-packed bomb, that killed Sinai Keinanan 18-month-old girl, who just wanted an ice cream cone, and killed her grandmother too. Do you know Islamikaze mother, lauded the deeds of her son, butchering a Grandmother and her 2 year old Granddaughter. When CNN asked her, how she felt that he had murdered a Grandmother and 14 month old girl. She said how proud she was of her son's actions.

Here's the story of Gal Eizenman. She was murdered with her Grandmother by a Palestinian homicide bomber at a Jerusalem bus stop, after her kindergarten party. Here's her pic  http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3328

I thought about the school bus massacre a month ago, where a Palestinian suicide bomber murdered 11 people and injured 50--including many schoolchildren--aboard a crowded Israeli commuter bus in Jerusalem. Killed in the terror attack were an 8-year-old, four teenagers and six adults." Reuters reports that "witnesses said they heard children who had been on their way to school screaming 'Mamma, Mamma' from the wreckage." Hamas confessed to the atrocity.

Ehud Olmert said, "Every time I come to such a site, I can't escape the thought that a living person entered the bus, and he saw the young kid of 6, 7 years old sitting, and he blows him apart. This is something that you have to see to understand how terrible it is."
The murderer's father, Azmi Abu Hilail, praised his sons actions butchering Israeli school children and said he would want his other children to become homicide bombers and murder Israeli civilians.

 http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1027506446043

In one of many interviews from his comfortable home in Gaza City, Hamas "spiritual" leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was asked by the Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera why Hamas targets civilians, such as university students, he explained, "They are considered by us to be enemy soldiers." Asked whether bombing at Hebrew University was in response to Israel's killing of its top terrorist mastermind, Salah Shehadeh, Yassin responded, "We don't operate that way. These are not acts of retribution. We do not struggle out of revenge, but rather to liberate our land." Finally, when asked whether Hamas would be satisfied with an Israeli withdrawal to its pre-June 1967 borders, Yassin stated, "Israel was born in violence and it will die in violence. The Jews have no right to the land of Palestine."

Behind the rhetoric of revolution and justice, there is a word for Hamas's stated goal: genocide. As our columnist Caroline Glick pointed out on Friday, Hamas's leaders are not only openly spouting the modern day equivalent of Mein Kampf and the Final Solution, they are carrying it out on a daily basis. They are murdering Jews as Jews, with the goal of annihilating the Jewish state.

Given its genocidal intentions and actions, distinguishing between the "political," "spiritual," and "military" leaders of Hamas is ludicrous and offensive. Would it have mattered if Nazi brown shirts also ran food kitchens? How does calling Yassin a "spiritual" leader show respect for religion in general and Islam in particular?

swiss tony, my name is Uri, I'm a moderate who wants peace.

If you forget, "In October of 2000, with the help of Clinton, Israel offered Arafat an independent Palestinian State, 97% of the West Bank all of Gaza, Arab sections of Jerusalem and 3 percent of Israel. Arafat refused and the Palestinians started their homicide/suicide bombings and their latest attempt to destroy Israel."

In fact, the Palestinians broke the Oslo Accords precisely because of Israeli generosity, because the government of Ehud Barak offered to meet 100 percent of their demands, including turning over half of Jerusalem to their control -- a possibility once considered unthinkable. These concessions confronted Arafat with the one outcome he did not want: Peace with Israel. Peace without the destruction of the "Jewish Entity.

I read something that 1999 was the only year that no Israeli civilians were killed by Arab terrorists in Israel. In that year, 99 percent of Palestinians were living under Arafat's rule. Not one time did Israel go in any Palestinian city in 1999. This is not to hard to figure out. Israel wouldn't go in one Palestinian city if the Palestinians stop killing Israeli civilians.

Everytime Israel leaves a Palestinian city, what happens, the Palestinians resume terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. This forces Israel to go back in these cities.
Take Hebron, Israel left the city of Hebron. The second Israel left, Palestinian gunman then machined gunned Israeli worshippers to death. Take Bethlehem. Israel left Bethlehem, what happens, a Palestinian homicide bomber goes on an Israeli bus and slaughters Israeli school children.

You see, when someone wants to destroy you and kill your civilians. When you have 70 percent of Arabs who support homicide bombers against Israeli civilians. When you have Palestinian terrorists groups that refuse to sign an agreement, not to target Israeli woman and children. What do you expect Israel to do? When you hear about all the Israeli civilians being massacred. Thats only the Palestinian terrorist atrocities that got through. You know how many bus massacres, cafe massacres, Israeli security forces prevented.

When Israel was making peace with Egypt. How many times did Israeli soldiers attack Egypt? Zero Times. When Israel was making peace with King Hussein. How many times did Israel attack Jordan? Zero times. They didn't attack them, because Egyptians and Jordanians were murdering Israeli woman and children, like Palestinian terrorists are. I’ll ask if, if everytime Israel leaves a Palestinian city and the second they leave, Palestinian terrorists from the city then massacre Israeli civilians. What do you expect Israel to do?

You seem not to understand the bottom line. The Arab terrorists who send these homicide bombers want to destroy Israel. They want to create a reign of terror against Israeli civilians, so in the end, Jews will be ethnic cleansed from Israel and Israel will be the 22nd Arab dictatorship.

2 months ago, Amnesty International tried to get all sides to sign an agreement not to target civilians. Israel signed it instantly. Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Brigades refused to sign the agreement. These Palestinian terrorist groups wouldn't even sign an agreement, that they wouldn't target Israeli woman and children in Israel. Can you imagine that? They wont sign an agreement not to target woman and children. This is who you support? This explains why Palestinians have no problem sending death squad gunman to massacre Israeli mothers reading a book to her 2 sons. Why Palestinian terrorists target Israel mothers reading a book to her 2 sons, why they they target Israeli school kids on school buses, Universities, supermarkets, shopping centers, hotels and every other civilian area, Palestinians can massacre Israeli civilians.

If you dont know, its Palestinian terrorism which is forcing Israel back in Judea and Samaria.
What do you think Israel should have done, seeing there civilians are being blown to bits by suicide bombers who are deliberately targeting elderly Holocaust survivors at Passover Seders, teenagers in pizza parlours, Israeli civilians in buses and disco's?

Israel targets Palestinians terrorists who send homicide bombers and gunman, who go into Israeli college cafeterias, night clubs, restaurants, felafel stands, buses, and hotel lobbies full civilians, and deliberately massacre hundreds of innocent Israeli civilians.

Israel's response is not directed at random citizens in restaurants, cafe's and weddings, nor do they place bombs in centers of population to go off and randomly kill whoever may be near.

Israel only acts to protect its citizens from the incessant danger of attack. The strikes are targeted. They are directed at the source of the problem: the leaders who cynically tell their citizens to become homicide bombers and slaughter Israeli woman and children, while staying tucked away in their fortresses and ostensibly seeking peace.

Since your so concerned about Palestinian children.
Have you check out the Palestinians incitement to children to become 'martyrs' and suicide bombers. It puts out sickening, mesmeric television appeals which glorify the sacrifice of children, urging them to come forward and blow themselves up, and their families are paid blood money for the terrorist deaths of their brainwashed children.

How about Jihad for kids. Learn how Palestinian children are taught to be suicide bombers. Learn how Palestinian teach this sadism to Palestinians at summer camps and on kids TV shows. Why are you silent over this Islamic sadism. Read this article.  http://wtvt.com/investreptr/jihad.html

Hi
Sorry Joss but the 'onus' is squarely on the Zionists to stop the terror..theres no comparison between suicide bombers and the 4 largest army in the world!
Back to basics: the only real security will come with the dismantling of the racist Zionist State. Many freedom fighters have been labelled as 'suicide bombers' look at the acts of resistance to the Nazis for example!
Free Palestine!

Quote from Joel: 'It is becoming increasingly obvious, that the followers of Muhammed are not human beings'

That's presumably why it's okay to bulldoze their homes and shoot their kids, huh?

The occupation is breeding hate, it must end.

listen to yourself!,

You say, The occupation is breeding hate, it must end. People would tell you what occupation. No such state called Palestine ever existed in history. Further, from 48 to 67, when the Arabs had the disputed lands, there was no peace. The fact Barak offered everything to Arafat and Arafat responds by exterminating Israeli woman and children, shows the Palestinians goals are genocide.

 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-120601holy.story

Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, a Hamas military leader said this.
"I've been told to restrict or restrain what I say. I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures, as none are allowed, because I'm going to speak the truth to you," Siyam said at the conference. "It's simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics."

Wasn't me Victor - his name's Josh. I'm Joss.

:-)

Joss