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who really killed Holly Wells hidden factually incorrect

dh | 26.08.2002 22:27

No story to tell - huh? Well there was once and there is now - and while it's entirely suppositional it's important, cos once again the official line stinks. It's avenues of exploration - think of it as nothing more than that.

dh

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Saw this storey today in the local newspaper

26.08.2002 23:24

No storey to tell! What can you expect? Many will think that you are either a conspiracy theorist or a nutcase. I keep an open mind. It does seem that you are making some interesting points here.

Here is a piece of information that may be of some use to you. You may be able to tie it into something.

Below is the web page address to the Liverpool Echo:

This storey is rather strange to say the least.

 http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/page.cfm?objectid=12146983&method=full&siteid=50061

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thanx for that

27.08.2002 00:06

it's not quite clear is it? Why was the guy sacked? What was he looking at? Has he got a case? Trust nothing at the moment.

dh


Tabloids jeopardise justice

27.08.2002 11:23

The public were brandishing placards reading; "Bring back hanging" thanks to The Sun, as Maxine Carr sped past, guilty of... perjury. Since when did lying warrant the death penalty? Huntley, when interviewed by Sky News; was told, "you were the last person to see the girls alive," he quickly corrected the journalist saying, "I was the last person to SPEAK to them." Clearly he had his wits about him, but upon his arrest, was allegedly reduced to a gibbering wreck, unfit to stand trial! Unless the police have overwhelming physical evidence against this couple, their enquiry should be ongoing and the first place to start would be the American Airforce Base at Lakenheath, where the victims were found. Huntly and his father have lost their jobs, his granny is a prisoner in her own home, Maxine Carr's mother has been pelted by stones, all thanks to trial by media. I doubt this case will ever come to trial.

H.W.M.


Jack's back

27.08.2002 12:52

Seems that everyone's favourite racist scumbag, Jack, has returned, not that we'll see much of him if the IMC editorial team have the sense to delete this filth. Face facts Jack, your Nazi racist crap was not welcome here the frist time round, and it is sill not welcome on IMC now, so kindly take your pathetic ramblings to another part of the Net where people are stupid enough to accept it.

dh: Intresting article, could be easy to write off as conspiracy nonsense, but the powers that be have certainly done shit in the past this is just as sinister and disturbing, (eg the Porton Down nerve gas experiments of the 1950s), so it pays to keep an open mind, especailly when the UK is doing all it can to back the USA and defend its public relations However, the "no story to tell yet" thing is not a censorship conspiriacy, even some mundane articles have fallen prey to this bug, it's all due to a vey unreliable system, report any bugs to  imc-uk-tech@lists.indymedia.org

Peace/Solidarity, TJA

Thomas J


The Secret History

27.08.2002 13:14

A very odd, harrowing, and disturbing story. Something is very very wrong here, and each 'lead' seems to bring just more unanswered questions. We should note them duly, but
I think we should avoid too many open statements as this can only mean pointing fingers with too little evidence. In fact, The contradictions are so glaring, they are enough to point themselves out. The more you look for one simple fact, the more complex the matter becomes, which is a sure sign.

Procopious


Heroin o/d's just as likely

27.08.2002 20:19

Interesting speculation on the possibility of US involvement. Did the police list of sex offenders sought in connection with the girls' 'killings' include any US servicemen?
However, the key point to bear in mind is that no cause of death has been established. Therefore, no one can be certain if the girls were killed - or died by misadventure. It is just as easy to speculate that the girls found or received then smoked heroin at or near Soham school, then o/d'd, following which the 'supplier' had two bodies to dispose of. In such a scenario (bored girls at the end of hols experimenting in boring Soham) it is hard to believe that anyone will eventually be convicted of murder - even manslaughter would be difficult to prove - still less of abducting (which needs a live victim).
It is very convenient for the police that Ian Huntley is currently in Rampton because he cannot attend court whilst 'unfit to plead'and thus the preliminary hearing cannot take place at which the lack of forensic evidence against him could be challenged. It is also convenient that Maxine Carr is only charged with perverting the course of justice - since, again, no challenge based on lack of forensics would be likely to persuade the court to dismiss the single charge against her.
The public appetite has been whipped into a frenzy by media reporting which damns two defendants as murderers and abductors without a shred of evidence. The media never learnt any manners, let alone sense, from the terrible miscarriages of justice as suffered by Stefan Kisko and the Tottenham Three - miscarriages which had at their root the need to arrest and attribute blame fast. The need to sentence first. Welcome back to Alice in Wonderland justice.

Hoddy


At least TRY to get your facts right..

27.08.2002 21:52

You write "The reason for the rapid arrests was very simple: Just hours earlier, two small bodies had been found"

Wrong. Huntley and Carr were arrested, and charged with abduction and murder, before the bodies were found.

Furry Dave
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here here to that

28.08.2002 21:54

Thanks for replying to that scurrilous piece of racist sickness, Thomas J. By the wat I wasn't trying to suggest that imc were somehow responsible for the on story to tell altho in previous experience that has been a response to a posting, not something that happens after a post has appeared correctly, which is the case here. Also I notice the title of this post has been changed. Only yesterday the title was straight with no reference to 'hidden' or 'factually incorrect'. Is this being changed by im or some interloper

dh


FUCK OFF NAZI

29.08.2002 20:40

Determined to push your racist filth through, aren't you? Well we are not going to let you do this, IndyMedia is a no-Nazi zone. Could someone on the editorial team do the honours and delete this trash? Somebody just doesn't get the message...

Thomas J


Oh it's gone

29.08.2002 20:45

The Nazi comment I was referring to was deleted while I was posting that, nice one guys!

Thomas J


The New Myra and Brady ?

30.08.2002 13:25

It occurs to me that much surrounding a certin ongoing high-profile case has similarities with the panic over Myra Hyndly and Ian Brady; then as now, there was social hyseria. In the mid- 1960s, reactionary society seemed to be under threat from Maoism, Trotskyism, Anarchism and the USSR. Now of course, society is in hysteria about Islam and the Arab world, and i just wonder if this excesive obsession with children is somehow part of it.

GH Gythuk