anticapitalist MP's a possibility ?
corporate whore | 25.06.2002 17:57
i like the idea of independent MP's and and considering the possibility that a group of anticapitalist/ anarchists stand collectively in the local elections with a figurehead,
Does anyone know if UK MP's are allowed to be democratic on a local level? What i mean by that is are they able to canvass opinion on each issue and represent what their constituents actually want. ie real representative democracy. The reason i ask is that i like the idea of independent MP's and and considering the possibility that a group of anticapitalist/ anarchists stand collectively in the local elections with a figurehead, who would enter into a legal agreement before hand that they would represent the views of the ashram/ social forum or whatever you wish to call a collective of residents. Is this possible within UK law?
It strikes me that posters to this site often argue that people would vote for a more radical anticapitalist MP but they are excluded from the system, i suggest that this would be a way (if legally possible) of working from within the system for change
It strikes me that posters to this site often argue that people would vote for a more radical anticapitalist MP but they are excluded from the system, i suggest that this would be a way (if legally possible) of working from within the system for change
corporate whore
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A job with prospects
25.06.2002 18:22
Our slogan is: "You know it won't make a difference..."
Press-Gang
Ummm...?
25.06.2002 19:15
Secondly, if it was that easy to become an MP when you hold radical and non-standard views, we'd have significantly more Socialist Alliance and Green MPs, I think.
Matt
Matt S
been there, done that...
25.06.2002 19:16
and their results, I'm suprised to see this being suggested
yet again!
Look at the German Social-Democrats (or even the Greens).
Working in the capitalist state resulted in them becoming
reformist, part of the system. As anarchists predicted,
btw and that is why anarchists argue that we need to use
direct action and organise outside parliament.
for more on anarchism argues for direct action
and why voting fails visit:
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secJ2.html
anarcho
e-mail: anarcho@geocities.com
Homepage: www.anarchistfaq.org
On the other hand...
26.06.2002 10:58
Thoughts?
Disillusioned kid
Good idea
26.06.2002 11:56
Of course, there is the small matter of actually getting enough people to vote for you.....
johnny_boy
why not
26.06.2002 17:12
vote for a womble today.
campaign pledge: to work to abolish parliment
has anyone got a wimbledon womble suit?
spixie
Won't get anywhere with first past the post!
26.06.2002 18:34
If there were a system of Proportional Representation, then some of the injustice would be addressed (Lib Dems 20% of vote, less than 10% of seats), and people would be encouraged to vote for smaller parties, since it would no longer be such a wasted vote. But it would probably still be rigged to require a threshold vote, probably 10% in a certain region before a party could get an MP, specifically to stop the BNP and radical left wing parties getting seats.
There have been some independent MPs, such as Martin Bell, or Dr Richard Taylor, the Wyre Valley MP elected due to the Kidderminster Hospital campaign, but these are the result of very specific local issues. During the 1980s, some Labour MPs were also 'Militant', the group which now makes up the Socialist Party, and still stands as Socialist Alternative in elections.
Former Coventry MP Dave Nellist was the chair of the Socialist Alliance, till the split at the end of last year, and he is still a councillor in Coventry. The Socialist Party also have another councillor in Lewisham, and a group called the Independent Working Class Association has one councillor in Oxford.
The vote for the Socialist Alliance in the last council elections, standing 208 candidates, were 7.4% in London, 4.2% elsewhere, while Socialist Alternative picked up an average of 11.2% over 30 candidates, Socialist Labour picked up 3.4% and the IWCA got no less than 21% for any of their 10 candidates.
Whatever the IWCA is doing it seems to be working. They explicitly campaign on local issues, while being very much to the left of Labour. Here's some links:
http://www.hackneyiwca.fsnet.co.uk/
http://www.bliwca.fsnet.co.uk/
http://www.haroldiwca.atfreeweb.com/
http://www.redaction.org/communities/declaration.html
So far left parties are gaining some ground, not that you'd know it from the media, who only hype up the BNP (it was the same with the French Presidential elections - candidates to the left of the Socialists got more votes altogether than did far right candidates - did they mention this, of course not!).
If you want to stand an anti-capitalist/anarchist candidate, you probably should
1. Join Charter 88 to campaign for electoral reform!
2. Stand locally, and build a campaign around local issues.
3. Make sure you're not standing against a similar far left candidate, so you don't split the vote.
Matt
does anyone actually know...?
20.11.2003 14:14
Thanks!
Drew Bown
e-mail: drewbown@hotmail.com