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Stop these nazis using indymedia

me | 16.06.2002 17:02

There are recent poosting here that are not simply right wing or confused or weird but plain nazi.

The International third position is a neo-nazi organisation. Another posting has links to the screwdriver with swastikas at the top and... get the picture.

This is not a big moral question about censorship. Just don't let nazis use our site.

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You appear confused, tired and irrational !!

16.06.2002 17:58

Don't you have anything at all to contribute to this collective, apart from imbecelic mantras of

'Ban him, Ban evil, Ban argument, Ban discourse'

and if that fails, which it inevitably will, soon you'll be moaning

'Ban IndyMedia, Ban IndyMedia, Ban evil terrorist platform'

This is an unspeakably sad mentality that you represent, the intellectual paucity of which I will not stoop to detail at greater length here.

Listen, here's a deal: why don't you simply ban yourself from being too lazy to follow or develop a constructive argument or even rational thought while other people, who wish for an honest exchange of ideas without mental strait-jackets enforced upon them by jumped-up little thought-policemen like you, get on with using this magnificent forum for that exact purpose?

OK, all fair and square then, eh, me old mate?

Shalom, BP

BlackPope


@bp: ban yourself

16.06.2002 18:12

"BlackPope", why don't you simply ban yourself from being too lazy to develop constructive arguments instead of permanently offending others here and on indy germany?

robin the red


Hmm........

16.06.2002 18:59

A world without Nazism/fascism would by a much nicer place to live, but at the same time, if Indymedia was to censor such people it would undermine the very reason why the Indymedia exists, to provide people a platform to raise their issues without the restraints of editing or censorship. Removing Nazis from Indymedia may also be the thin end of the wedge, and further down the line you may then get calls for the removal of, for example, articles that criticise the SWP.

Since 99.9% of the people who read Indymedia are anti-racist/anti-fascist, the few Nazis ("Jack", "Dave", et al) who post on here aren't really having this much of an impact in my opinion, since the majority of articles posted on Indymedia are sending the exact opposite message. In addition, the Nazi articles are soon severly criticied by the readers in the comments, which in turn undermines the Nazi message.

All that I am saying is to prevent the Nazis from getting a foothold, we need to keep informing the reader why their views are in the wrong, but to me censorship is a very dangerous road to take, and one that if ever taken, would destroy the sprit of Indymedia.

Thomas J


The United States of Israel

16.06.2002 19:06

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Hello, Robin the Red

16.06.2002 20:20

... and thanks for having the balls to finally stand-up and defend your 'position'!!

Oh, sorry, you didn't actually do that, did you? - you just used cut-and-paste techniques in a lame-assed attempt to diss me - and then still have the brazen cheek to accuse me, with plagarised words, of laziness. Bam!!

Well, hahahahahahaha, that will take some beating as a display of intellectual sloth, just the very quality I was protesting about in inquisitors.

Thank you so very much, Robby, for this gem of an effort, the rich fruit of 2 seconds brainstorming - it will rekindle much mirth in years to come - and don't beat yourself up about how disasterously slack-witted your riposte, now to be beamed around the world all to enjoy, is going to appear. I mean, you are just too innocent for this world, that's all!

Perhaps your best solution would be to change your nick, then continue lurking in a new guise? Just pop up occasionally to moan something incoherent about 'Ban evil Nazi Scum, yeah!' to let us know which Thought-Policeman still occupies the shadows, OK?

As to 'permanently offending' people here or on IMC-Germany, the following 3 points are for your information:

1. I do not aim to offend anyone, and that includes you, but do sometimes enjoy rupturing the sails of self-inflated hypocrites, much like yourself, with some cut-to-the-chase commentary in a genuine attempt to stir them to dialogue.

2. Seldom do these mighty headstrong word-warriors deign to respond, so I can hardly know how they feel about that, but in the rare cases that they do, their display of wounded pride is ultimately not my fault, rather their own. In a manner of speaking, they ran their puffed-up chests straight onto my sword.

3. I've posted approximately 3 times in total on IMC-Germany, so 'permanent' is just so much hyperbole in that case, and the third time, today, had my post censored (can be at link given ) and my IP-address blocked to prevent me asking what the hell is going on or from apparently ever posting anything further!! So on that score, your wet-dream has actually come true, temporarily at least.



Now, although this last fact might fill the likes of you with thievish glee, I, and I imagine a good proportion of others who use this forum, find it an extremely disturbing tendancy. Let us not forget that IMC-Swiss was closed-down by grubby-pawed little censors much like yourself, who employed the same lazy irrationality you display. Coincidence? I don't think so.

If it turns out that YOU are in actual fact an Admin. at IMC-UK, something I sincerely hope is not the case, and would be shocked to discover, then I would confidently predict you will resort to blanket-banning me here too, as I suspect you are too witless and basically cowardly to risk letting the discussion go any further. Am I right in this assumption, my fond friend Robby?

I await your reply with some trepidation, not!

Shalom, BP

BlackPope


Gale force whingers

16.06.2002 20:27

the nazi postings are shite, I ignore them.
Whinging wankers are pretty much of the same, if you disagree or are fed up with hearing about it, ban them .
If you feel so badly about these postings why not bosch a few well aimed commets into 'em show them up, prove them wrong.
but 4 fuck snakes stop whinging !!!!

sessanta nova


what you could do

18.06.2002 00:34

Use their URL number to track the nazi down and kill them. There is no censorship - yet the problem is solved with minimum cost to the problem solver.

nazi hunter


seems like you are

18.06.2002 12:01

sad fuckers, all.

gone from this 'discussion'


Freedom of speech

18.06.2002 19:46

The last time i checked freedom of speech was protected.

Whats the point of having an independant media forum if all thats allowed is marxist or socialist posting and people holding the dicks of the people posting by congratulating them on how great communist ideology is?

The point is, surely, that this site is for intelligent debate on issues? Not random flaming. in reality 'Nazi' is a dead term. The word you are looking for is nationalists, or fascists, depending on which camp of right wing idelogy a person subscribes to.

You cant just ban a whole section of political thought because you personally disagree with someones view point.

How i see it, is that people are going to have widely differant opinions on issues and should have the right to say what these are.

Mike
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