YES im sick of all the infantile tit for tat nationalist crap from watever side, both sides Israelies and palestinians are a bunch of backward warmongering fuks, a bit like india and pakistan, all of whom are armed by the USA and the UK. SICK OF THEIR continuing INFANTILE SHITE, the jews and muslims should fuk off, and set up their own website for middle eastern warring factions to trade insults and atrocities, cos their both as bad as the other.

While I might not agree with the above infantile description of the struggles for self-determination in Palestine and Kashmir, I wholeheartedly agree with the original point. All this crap takes up way too much space. Indymedia is not the place for it. Please do something about it.

It is not unusual for zionists to take over sites, and when they move in people will naturally reply to their offensive lies and propaganda. Keeping control of postings is not censorship. There are plenty of other places to air those views - the mainstream right wing press for instance.

i think with this kind of site, the editor should exercise discretion, becuase trying to apply hard rules will inevitably fail. obviously, stuff which is irrelevant, false, gratuitously offensive, fascistic etc should be removed (just to keep the general content within the IMC brief) but the guidelines should be towards leaniency rather than censoriousness.

its getting ridiculous, and it makes it seem like there are no worthy causes in the UK, which there clearly are for activists and clear-thinking people. Why has it been taken over by propoganda? dont know. I think an article about an anti-Israel protest is 100% legitimate for this site, likewise a news story about a suicide bombing or an IDF raid. Its a news website and it is left to the public to publish. '54 ways to support Israel' is not news, nor does it interest anyone (I support Israel but thought that article was a waste of time, and was cheapening Judaism several times). 'Recent terrorist attacks in Israel' is not news, because it was not brought forward as news, it was brought to show how much Israel is suffering, evoke sympathy, etc. Boring. Shouldn't be here. 'Sharon is a Butcher' is not news, likewise juveile cut'n'paste 'PALESTINE WILL BE FREE! FUCK ISRAEL!' comments, likewise '30 little known facts about Israel'. I'm not a purist, I like the idea and ideals behind IMC and all that, and everyone should have the freedom to post what they want, but its ruining the site to be honest. I have noticed this a while ago and am cutting down on irrelevant postings (like this one!). But I don't know what guidelines should be set, and I don't think individual censorship is a good idea. Any ideas for what rules should be set?

i wholeheartedly understand the complaint that there is a lot of non-uk news in the wire but this is an OPEN-POSTING site. it's _the_ powerful aspect of a site like indy that it does censor only in extreme cases. with the web everybody has their printing press, and indymedia luckily has become a focus point for a lot of differing opinions. i think that's good.

the only criteria for removal from the wire are these, snip from the editorial guidelines on  http://uk.indymedia.org/censor.php3 :
-discrimination
-advertising
-infactual
-repeated posting

all of the above reasons except repeated posting are obviously always debatable... and the collective maintaining this wire has until now always tried to err on the side of not-removing.

if you take issue with specific articles please mail to the features list. this is the list where the people hang out who have the password to hide postings, and where middle column stories are proposed. it's a publicly archived list so you can check out how people go about things by reading the archive. YOU can be part of this mailing list. just engage and you'll get the password very soon when people see that your contributions are helping out. get yourself involved in the grinding daily maintenance of this site. the features list is on  http://lists.indymedia.org/listinfo/imc-uk-features

it seems strange to me that people continue to ask "Indymedia" to clean up, or make changes to the way the site is run, censored or as you will.
It's justy not possible, besides i think it works fine.
You ignore the shit and pick out the good articles, depending what your into. I normally find one or two good articles of a night. Which often lead to new websites and so on .
The israeli / palastine war is heavy shit, and the articles are often well out of order, as the Jews/ supporters of Israel control the 90% of the media, Indymedia should be a place for alternative views. But it seems that they are not
content with that and want to dominate IMC as well.
It doesn''t take long to pick up on who's who .
What ever happened to Danile Brett ? has he gone underground ? I was wondering if he had had half a Lobotomy and been reincarnated as JOSH, DOV or one of the other dodgy types lurking on IMC, I tend to ignore them anyway .

Hope your all in enjoying the Walt Disney world cup ..

It does concern me about the amount of propaganda from both sides and is the amount of people who support state (like Josh), whether Israel or Palestine. Both Arafat and Sharon are fascist warmongers responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Israeli and Palistinian civilian. Neither want peace. I would hope that Indymedia could be a place to discuss alternatives and how to support those Israelis and palistinians who are fighting for peace and self-determination.

is that British public opinion is naturally circumspect, and highly conservative, but vociferous with it. take for example, the anti-royalist protesters being accused of being middle class (presumably the queen is a worker !

that whereas in some countries, those of reactinary sentiment would either shut up or start their own website, the populist, antisocialist tendency means they start to impose their opinions (can hardly call them ideas !), and then to launch original articles. someone once wryly observed that while a russian or chinese peasant years ago wouldve walked hundreds of miles to hear a socialist, here, a worker wouldnt cross the road, except to hit him.