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Scargil is a Stalinist

pasted from New Statesman | 08.06.2002 15:36

Comrades up in arms
Johann Hari Monday 10th June 2002

Stalin still exerts a strange hold over some, not least Arthur Scargill. Johann Hari attends a Stalin Society meeting.

Comrade Chairman is very angry. His body is old, but hatred smoulders in his eyes. He bangs his fist on the table and begins: "We must put our own house in order! To read lies about Comrade Stalin in the capitalist bourgeois press is to be expected - but to read them in our own papers? It misleads good comrades and damages the socialist cause! It cannot be accepted! The Trotskyites are doing massive damage!"

The scene seems strangely familiar. But it isn't from some old newsreel, or a documentary recreation of a distant tyranny: it's a meeting of the British Stalin Society on a sunny Sunday morning.

Some might see Stalinism's journey in just half a century, from the ruling ideology of a world superpower to barely filling a grotty community centre in King's Cross, as a humbling one. Not the Stalin Society. Founded in the 1930s, it ain't dead yet. One pale old man tells me he remains confident because "we still have Cuba and [North] Korea". Nobody in a two-hour meeting utters a word of regret about Stalin's time in power.

We are assembled to discuss "misrepresentations of the Soviet and Maoist periods in the media", and the first speaker, Harry Powell, a former college lecturer, talks confidently of the Soviet Union as simply "the first wave of socialism in the world".

Nobody blinks at this. Powell takes particular exception to Jung Chang's bestselling autobiography, Wild Swans, which he condemns as "a pernicious and dishonest book" that "does nothing but paint a negative picture of the socialist period in China . . . How are people meant to know about all the great achievements of Chairman Mao if they only hear this kind of grumbling?" he asks.

But that is not his only gripe. "Every time a Russian composer from the socialist period is played on Radio 3, some smug presenter refers to the supposed 'tyranny' or 'totalitarianism' of that time." Powell says that, "in fact, the arts flourished under Stalin". George Orwell's novel Animal Farm is, he believes, "crude anti-Stalinist propaganda, written by a man who worked in a propaganda unit". And when he refers derisively to a scene in Enemy at the Gates, the recent Hollywood movie about Stalingrad, which suggests that Stalin persecuted the Jews, the audience joins him in sniggering.

The gathering of around 30 people is primarily - as you might expect - elderly to the point of decrepitude. A bevy of old women occupies the front row, nodding sagely whenever the "lies" about Stalin are "exposed". For these people, Stalinism has become a habit they can't shake off. Now in their seventies, they are not inclined to review their beliefs.

More interesting are the young people in the room. In the group discussion, a young Asian lad in his mid-twenties explains his attraction to the cause: "It's taken me a long time to find out the truth. I've always wanted to know what happened in the Soviet Union. The good thing about the Stalin Society is that it gives you the truth, without any messing about." Another man nods vehemently. They seem to relish the moral certainty of Stalinism: "We can be made into better human beings," he says. "You need to believe that, or there's no point. And Stalin did."

All this may seem as irrelevant as the beliefs of, say, the Flat Earth Society, or Elvis fans who insist that the King is still alive. Why should we care about these rather sad, isolated figures?

Yet a man who was very famous not so long ago is a very close ally of the society. In an address to the members in 2000, and to an enthusiastic reception, Arthur Scargill celebrated the October revolution: "I am sick and tired of listening to the so-called 'experts' today who still criticise the Soviet Union and, in particular, Stalin." There is a huge overlap between the membership of Scargill's Socialist Labour Party and the Stalin Society, evident in its campaign for the SLP.

All those who argued for decades that Scargill represented a legitimate part of the left may be expected to recant. Yet the signs were always there: Scargill met Khrushchev in 1956 and scolded him for trying to move away from Stalinism, telling him that "you can't get rid of him by removing his body from the mausoleum". Now that Scargill no longer has to be politic about his beliefs, he has outed himself as an admirer of the worst totalitarian dictator of the 20th century (Stalin, after all, murdered even more people than did Hitler).

Perhaps Tony Benn might pause in his next eloquent speech about democracy to explain his unflinching support for Scargill.

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Way Off Beam

08.06.2002 16:36

Scargill is whatever Scargill is - actually a very courageous and principled man - but you are a disinformationist - how much are you paid? - get a life!

un-PC

Peter Cook


disinformation?

08.06.2002 18:23

what's disinformation? if theres any stalinism going on here, its describing someone telling the truth as a "disinformationist".

scargill's been a stalinist for most of his life, its been no secret. and his so-called "socialist labour party" is basically the same as the stalin society.

harpal brar
mail e-mail: info@lalkar.prg.uk


Suit you sir.

08.06.2002 21:59

Peter Cook,

I'm not being a disinformationist. I'm not an anti-Scargil-ist, (although I sure as hell don't like Stalin).

I just thought that was an interesting artical.


I'm sure Johann Hari didn't just make all that stuff up.
Besides, as harpal brar says, it's no secret that Scargil is a Stalinist.

So you a) being ignorant and b) being closed minded and unprepared to hear truth that you don't want to know.


I'm sure Scargil is a very courageous and principled man.
but in a complicated world, that doesn't imply that he isn't also, simultaneously, a Stalinist.

I'm not dissing the hard work and campaigning that he has done for the cause of social justice throughout his long life.

Those things should be appreciated and are. But if he's a Stalinist then that should be known as well.


I'm not bashing Scargil and saying that his being a Stalinist cancels out all the good stuff he's done. I'm not trying to say Scargil is a Stalinist therefore let's totally dismiss the man and ridicule him and shame him. That's not what I was doing at all by posting the above article.

It's just a personal flaw that's all it is.

I just thought it was interesting to know that Arthur Scargil is a Stalinist. That's why I posted the above article.

Don't you be so quick to jump to conclusions. I'm not a disinformationist. I'm a dedicated political activist.

And I believe in the cause of anti-capitalism enough to realise that our arguments are strong enough to be won without lies.

You however seem less confident. You feel the need to deny the truth when that truth doesn't suit you (sir).

Dudley Moore


Actually . . .

08.06.2002 22:51

my particular problem with mr hari is his trademark journalistic smugness. just like all journo pigs, he tosses in little comments as though he were the ultimate authority on the matter. example: 'stalin murdered more people than hitler' - makes him sound pretty smart, huh. actually, a recent study showed that there were more 'purposive' killings under hitler, and by a large margin. and as we all know hitler's motives were much nastier.

geo


get a grip

08.06.2002 23:59

stalin did not kill millions of people, this was carried out by everyday folk, just like they did back in germany around the same time.

i just cannot believe that someone has taken the time to put up this 'article' as news worthy, when it quite clearly is not.

if any thing on indy media should be censored, it's articles such as this. at least back in uncle joes time he would have known exactly what to do with hacks such as this, at quite rightly so.

mao, stalin, lenin, and all the other 56 varieties started out on the right track, they just happened to get a bit lost en route.

a bit like the floundering middle class today, who have been voting for the rightwing across the world like their is no tomorrow.

and let's face they do have the guns.

we have to try a bit harder than chatting about some oap's getting into stalin worship, for all i care let them do it if it makes them happy, is the alternative banning them from their little meeting?

the cur
- Homepage: http://www.thecur.da.ru/


hitler much nastier

09.06.2002 00:24

Yeah that's an interesting one. I sometimes wonder if we (the west) are as bad as hitler through our capitalist led imperialism and all the killing that has been done in its name (eg the mass massacre in indonesia that cleared the way for the coming to power of general suharto).

The difference between hitler and western politicians (and stalin as well I guess) is that whilst hitler killed out of (irrational) hate, our crimes against humanity are based on cold indifference.

"We have no quarrel with the Afghan people"
"We have no quarrel with the Iraqi people"

Indeed. It's not that our governments want those people dead. It's just that they don't give a flying muthafucking fuck.

If it's in their strategic interests to kill or support the killing of hundreds of thousands of people then they don't have a problem with doing that. But it's not because they've got anything against those people. It's just that those poeple are like... in the way.

That's evil for sure. But unlike Hitler's hate-based evil, the evil that our governments do, and that we let our governments do, is based on cold indifference - that sheer lack of giving a shit.

Stalin, I would argue is somewhere in between. He wasn't racially motivated. A lot of the time the people he killed were killed because they were considered to be an internal security risk. But make no mistake Stalin was a sadist. He used to have people executed for fun. Hitler didn't do that. He was fucking serious about exterminating a race that he detested. Stalin on the other hand thought killing people was amusing and entertaining. Sometimes his executions were done for pragmatic reasons - he felt those people represented a threat to his totalitarian regime - but sometimes he really did just have people executed just for the sheer fuck of it. Um.. I don't know if Queen Elizabeth I did that in real life but she sure as hell did in the popular comedy BlackAdder. She's always having people's heads cut off and having a cheeky little giggle about it. Funny how we find the capacity to laugh at summary execution. I wonder how long it will be before the Russians make historic sit-coms about Stalin and what a cheeky mischievous guy he was, having people slaughtered or sent to gulags all the time, often just on a whim.

Johann Hari is indeed a smug git. There is a reason for this. He's only just graduated with a First from Cambridge University and already he's a collumnist for the New Statesman and occasionally the Observer. Most people don't get to become *collumnists* until they have spent gruelling years as *journalists* (the difference being that a journalist's job is to report on the news, whereas a collumnist's job is to report on their own personal opinions about stuff - to pontificate and muse and ponder on the ways of the world). No dounbt mr hari thinks that he's doing rather well for himself.

Speaking of haris, did anyone else go to the strawberry fair in cambridge today?

I thought the hare krishnas were fucking wicked, wandering round dressed in white singing hare hare hare, hare hare krishna. bunch of nutters :-)

Speaking of cambridge, everyone should come to the J22 Street Party on (you guessed it) 22nd June.

meetup points:

2pm Midsummer Common: people on foot
2pm Castle Hill: bicylsitas for a critical mass stylee bikeride

Keep checking the indymedia site because a map will appear telling you where these places are and how to get to them from the train station or the bus station.

please don't come by car because er... because they smell basically.

Please come to cambridge and party with us in the streets :)

bring juggling balls, clubs, drums, didgeridoos, whistles, horns, or even just your mates and your happy smiley selves.

There will be a rave somewhere nearby in the evening so stick around for that.

Ozymandias


Stalin was a great revolutionary

09.06.2002 02:15

What "crimes" did he commit? This rubbish has been going on for far too long, thanks ONLY to western propagandists. A revolution is no tea party, you're gonna get your millions of counter-revolutionaries, infiltrators and spys, this has been documented. He was no fool. Under Stalin the Soviet Union went through hell, an underground Nazi spy network supported by the west, WW2 where they lost more soldiers than anyone else, the war was won thanks to them, they're infrastructure bombed, constant military and economic aggression and propaganda, like this article, and YES, social progress was made, this has also been documented. He was a great revolutionary and kicked the West's arse for aslong as he was alive. What's Russia now???? Little more than a lap top. Ask older generation Russians and they will tell you that you don't know what you're talking about. But don't ask the white Russians, i.e. Tzarist bourgeois descendents still holding a grudge.

Stalinist


SLP keeps at it

09.06.2002 11:17

Stalin/Scargill...This is a fairly important debate, if only because the Stalinists in the SLP still have a number of younger activists.

See them on demonstrations with their awful plastic Che Guevara tabards; some of them went out to Palestine recently (Ramallah) and came back full of uncritical admiration for all the Stalinist, Islamicist and nationalist leaders they met.

Obviously desperate to support ANY authoritarians now the USSR is down the pan, these SLP members have formed the 'Che Leila Youth brigades' in an attempt to re-sell their brand of fake revolution by playing on support for the Palestinian struggle.

Real solidarity with the Palestinian people means recognising how the PLO leadership has consistently sold them down the river, and in finding new methods to aid the struggle. For a more libertarian, non-violent, direct-action orientated Palestine campaign see the ISM: www.palsolidarity.org; a front for no one; does exactly what it says on the tin.

Diddy Amin


re: banning them from their little meeting

09.06.2002 13:21

Banning them? I didn't say anything about banning them.

You're the authoritarian, not me.


Of course Stalin killed millions of people.
No he didn't kill them by hand, he ordered his men to do it for him. Doesn't that count? Of course it does.

I do sometimes wonder if he was as bad as the west makes him out to be.

Having found out that so much of what I've been told about the world in general is bullshit and propaganda, I do wonder how much of what I've been told about Stalin is propaganda. Maybe he did do some good, I don't know.

But blatantly he *was* an authoritarian psychopath, he did have people executed, he did hold show trials, he did get people to spy on their neighbours, he did have a rather nasty secret police that knocked on people's doors at 3.30 in the morning. He really wasn't a nice guy. I'm sure all of that isn't just bollox.

And yeah the Soviet Union did go through hell. Does that excuse ANY of the crimes against humanity that uncle joe committed?

I can't believe you're trying to be an apologist for his crimes, saying oh Russia was having a bit of a tough time therefore it was alright to torture and kill millions of people.

There was this girl on the train on the way to mayday, from the british communism party, and she was going on about how "well, you've got to kill a few people in a revolution".

Fucking hell man, there are some freaks among you lot.

Ozymandias


Against all tyrants whatsoever

09.06.2002 14:13

"mao, stalin, lenin, and all the other 56 varieties started out on the right track, they
just happened to get a bit lost en route."

???

Actually, they started on the WRONG track - by believing they could liberate the people "on their behalf" and that the leaders/vanguard/Party always knows best. The end product was, logically, tyranny.

Why argue over which of Hitler/Stalin/Bush are worse? They are all tyrants, we have to reject them all and work together to take the power back.

G


re: against all tryrants whatsoever

09.06.2002 15:06

and THAT'S why we need to have a STREET PARTY! :-)

Ozymandias


johann hari eats too many pies

10.06.2002 16:00

not to discredit the debate generated by this article, but people seem to be overlooking the logical fallacies committed by hari, e.g. no sources stated, logical leap between views of Scargill to views of contemporary Stalinists (why won't the dinosaurs die out?),and his possible mis-interpretation of Scargill's REASONS for defending the soviet union.

I think it's pretty evident to anyone with a half a brain cell that Stalin was a bloody tyrant, and that this can surely be measured in and for itself, not just next to other tyrants. But we cannot infer, from the text, whether or not Scargill is a Stalin apologist...all we can know is that he opposes the standpoint of those who criticise the Soviet years, perhaps such as Fukuyama's Burkian bullshit of 'capitalism won = capitalism is right' which uses the failure of one modern alternative to capitalism as 'proof' that no other world is possible.

...besides which, it's hard to take seriously a piece written by a trite and uninformed little culture slut (a 'lefty' journalist attempting to write about social centres without knowing about Ya Basta?!) willing to pose with any principle for the sake of a lame punchline. oh, and he's ugly.

heather mcrobie


re: pies; ugly

10.06.2002 21:38

Go Heather! ;-)

Ozymandias


this makes a change from bashing trotsky !

11.06.2002 16:22

compared to the usual mentality of 'brick a trotkyist' found on this site, it makes a change to see stalinists in the line of critique.
unfortunately, its true about the SLP, as i found when i looked at their bookstall. disappointing i know, and rather passe and discredited, rather like the 'flat earth society' with a dungeon! in fact, trotsky , perhaps surprisngly, did not trouble himself with stalinist sentiment within the workers movement all that much; if they could start to mobilise against capitalism, they would be thinking for themselves and would move beyond stalinism too.

fred trotsky