good afternoon indymedia uk
my name is oded and i live in israel.i went for indymedia israel but i excidently serf to uk
i read two days ago the article about protest near israeli ambassy in london.
today i came again to this link and found that nobody wrote anything about the last three days in "palestin".
this is the first time i write an article and my mother languish is'nt english,so please be pasiant with my mistakes.
first of all,i protest with all my hart for the use of the word nazi for the conflict.my grandmother came from the tawn comarna(in poland) in 1927 to palestin.
in 1942 there were only ten living jews from comarna.6000 people destroied.
most in treblinka camp and the rest got shot and barried in a huge hall in the ground in a forest near the tawn in the first week of nazi arrival to the area
do not use this word "nazi" unless you reffering to the war in 1939-1945
about zionizm: some of the people writing to indymedia hate zionizm. writing songs against it,say that the "zionists are..." like they the humanity's bigest enemy.
zionizm today,to my mind is anachronism.
the zionist movement started in 1903 by a young jewish jornalist after he saw the terrible conditions the jews live in russia.drifus affair make a big influence on him and he decide that the only solution to the jewish problem is a state for them.
terrible anty jewish wave grew more and more from 1881 untill the nazis came along.
jews flee from russia all the time,from poland in 1920-1930,and germany1931-1939.
most of them came to america.(3 millions)
500,000 came to palestin and meat 6000 palestinians jews.(jews who live in palestine from biblical times)
in1800 there were 250000 arabs in palestine.
after the egiption accupation in 1831-1840 thinks start to get better.
european powers start halping the cristians in the holy land and the jews enjoied it too.the otoman empire(turky) fear that palestin will taken away from theire grip so they incorege imigration of moslems from syria,lebanon,east benk of jordan river,bosnians,egyptions,and nomades from the desert (bedwies).
palestine was a wastland.moors,desert,deseases(malaria) and many robbers and corropted otomans officials started to change.
new comers astablish new villages and from the crowded tawns the people move out and build the first seburbs.
in the 1870' there were 450000 arabs and nomber of jews start to rise slowly.
between 1881-1914 60000 jews came(most from the hell of russia)but half of them ceft due to the taugh conditions.
in 1914 they were 700000 arabs and 100000 jews in palestin.
in 1939 they were 600000 jews in palestine.after six years they descover that they all alone.all their friends and relatives they left behind became ashes,and soaps.
in 1947 650000 jews and 1,200,000 arabs live in palestine.
the arabs dicided to "through the jews to the sea"
obiously,this is the jewish side.
the arabs story is defferent.but the nombers are taken from histotry books who found those numbers in the otmans and british archives.
my point is :most arabs and jews who live now in "palestin" are immigrants.300,000 arabs and 6000 jews didnt immigrate.
may i say that my greatfather born in the old city of jerusalem-a accupied teritory of the zio-nazi colonialists.
so,both sides are right and wrong.both of them have ancient traditions concerning this land.
the arabs national movement in palestin is as legitimate as the jewish one(who called zionism that come from the word zion-one of the biblical names of jerusalem.
i think that the only solution is the one in pakistan-india problem.
two seperate states with secure and open borders.
people who write hatred songs about zionism are people who say:jewish rights are not legitimate,go home to europe.
jews were living in palestine from 1400 befor christ untill 603 after christ.then,the beasant christians destroy the jewish camunities in palestine.from 1,200,000 in 162 a.d. theire number decline to 800000 after the second jewish revolt against rome,to 200000 in 600 a.d. and few thausents just befor arab invation in 630(i think,maybe 670)a.d.
i am sorry for the bouring history lesson but who that want to stick his nose in a conflict and pick sides,should know the facts.
about the names:land of cnaa'n was the ancient name.
after the israelit tribes came along(and mernaftach,king of egypt remind them in an astila he wrote )the name change to land of israel.
in land were the israelis and in the shores were the philistinies.
they came from greece and it was natural from the greeks to call the country palestina.the romans call it yudea because when they came,they found the jews(in latin,j change with y) as the maijority.
after the second jewish revolt against rome the romens decided to destroy the jews.the disalowed sercosision,destroy jerusalem and all the jewish villages in judea mountains,did not allowed jews to come to judea mountains ,built aroman city in the place jerusalem was ,and call it illia capitolina.the old yudea province unite with syria province and called syria palestina province.
when the moslems came,they call the country falastin.
i think that the arab state sould be yahudi-arabia.
this article is a compleat mess.
a.arab and jewish rights are equel
b.both sides suffer and made terrible things
c.only solution is two seperate cauntries
d.zionism is not aparthide,nore colonialism.
e.people who say that all people should be indipandent accept the jews (antizionism)is actualy saying that he is sopport racesizm.

i like to talk also about the remark one surfer wrote.
he say that israelis use arabs as hard laybour and dont have civil rights.
this is not the truoth.
arabs that live inside the israel,not in the teritories,have the same rights as i have.they can vote and getting allected.
from 120 parlament members,12 are arabs.
they work at any job(doctors,policemen,phisicists,lawyers atc.)
but they have truble to get jobs concerning sensitive militry conected knoledge.
arabs sometimes fill humiliated in security checks(airports,bus stations atc. but i think this is because the terorist are arabs and not everyone can seperate between terrorist and nonterrorist.
we in israel have a law. there is alimit that employee cant pay less then this limit as a sallery. we call it minimum wage law.do you have it in england?
forget the hard laybour theory.its work in places when people sold as slaves in sudan,saudi-arabia atc
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++i wanted to write my article about"oneside reports in palestine" but i carried away.
in the last few days they were 4 terror attacks.
1.in tel aviv.in a fuel storage facility abomb exploded.it was a miricle that the all storage got explode number of victims could rise to 100000.
2.in "reshon le zion"-a tawn very close to my tawn-suicide bomber explode him self with 3 people.
3.suicide bomber in a tawn very close to tel aviv killed alittle baby girl and her grandmother.
i was shocked that the indipendent media group did not report about it.
does jewish blood less red then the palestinian one?
after a few weeks like this and mor dead israelis, another israeli incursions will take place in "palestin"and then all of you will rise and shout: messecere! zio-nazis!! enemies of humanity!! you,you...you jews!!
dont do it
work to stop the war and not to make a race ,who hate israelis mor
both sides saffering,in both sides there are humanitarian stories,and nobody is nazi.
this is not about racism.thats about two nations who fight for the same peace of land,and nobody told them that they can make a partition like it was between india and pakistan.
with a hope for peace
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