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Palestine never existed in history. Prove me wrong.

Dov | 20.05.2002 12:30

Great article below

The History and Meaning of "Palestine" and "Palestinians"

Presented by: A Time To Speak ( speak@actcom.co.il)
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews. Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us?
The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity." — Golda Meir quoted by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, 25 November 1995

Palestine has never existed as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. — from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries. — Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975
Talk and writing about Israel and the Middle East feature the nouns "Palestine" and Palestinian", and the phrases "Palestinian territory" and even "Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory". All too often, these terms are used with regard to their historical or geographical meaning, so that the usage creates illusions rather than clarifies reality.

What Does "Palestine" Mean?

It has never been the name of a nation or state. It is a geographical term, used to designate the region at those times in history when there is no nation or state there.

The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection with Arabia or Arabs.

The word itself derives from "Peleshet", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". The name began to be used in the Thirteenth Century BCE, for a wave of migrant "Sea Peoples" who came from the area of the Aegean Sea and the Greek Islands and settled on the southern coast of the land of Canaan. There they established five independent city-states (including Gaza) on a narrow strip of land known as Philistia. The Greeks and Romans called it "Palastina".

The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina" derived from the Peleshet.

How Did the Land of Israel Become "Palestine"?

In the First Century CE, the Romans crushed the independent kingdom of Judea. After the failed rebellion of Bar Kokhba in the Second Century CE, the Roman Emperor Hadrian determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea. Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel. At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.

The Romans killed many Jews and sold many more in slavery. Some of those who survived still alive and free left the devastated country, but there was never a complete abandonment of the Land. There was never a time when there were not Jews and Jewish communities, though the size and conditions of those communities fluctuated greatly.

The History of Palestine

Thousands of years before the Romans invented "Palastina" the land had been known as "Canaan". The Canaanites had many tiny city-states, each one at times independent and at times a vassal of an Egyptian or Hittite king. The Canaanites never united into a state.

After the Exodus from Egypt — probably in the Thirteenth Century BCE but perhaps earlier — the Children of Israel settled in the land of Canaan. There they formed first a tribal confederation, and then the Biblical kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and the post-Biblical kingdom of Judea.

Israel-Judah-Judea has the only united, independent, sovereign nation-state that ever existed in "Palestine" west of the Jordan River.

From the beginning of history to this day, Israel-Judah-Judea has the only united, independent, sovereign nation-state that ever existed in "Palestine" west of the Jordan River. (In Biblical times, Ammon, Moab and Edom as well as Israel had land east of the Jordan, but they disappeared in antiquity and no other nation took their place until the British invented Trans-Jordan in the 1920s.)

After the Roman conquest of Judea, "Palastina" became a province of the pagan Roman Empire and then of the Christian Byzantine Empire, and very briefly of the Zoroastrian Persian Empire. In 638 CE, an Arab-Muslim Caliph took Palastina away from the Byzantine Empire and made it part of an Arab-Muslim Empire. The Arabs, who had no name of their own for this region, adopted the Greco-Roman name Palastina, that they pronounced "Falastin".

In that period, much of the mixed population of Palastina converted to Islam and adopted the Arabic language. They were subjects of a distant Caliph who ruled them from his capital, that was first in Damascus and later in Baghdad. They did not become a nation or an independent state, or develop a distinct society or culture.

In 1099, Christian Crusaders from Europe conquered Palestina-Falastin. After 1099, it was never again under Arab rule. The Christian Crusader kingdom was politically independent, but never developed a national identity. It remained a military outpost of Christian Europe, and lasted less than 100 years. Thereafter, Palestine was joined to Syria as a subject Travellers to Palestineprovince first of the Mameluks, ethnically mixed slave-warriors whose center was in Egypt, and then of the Ottoman Turks, whose capital was in Istanbul.

During the First World War, the British took Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. At the end of the war, the Ottoman Empire collapsed and among its subject provinces "Palestine" was assigned to the British, to govern temporarily as a mandate from the League of Nations.

The Jewish National Home

from the Western world left records of what they saw there. The theme throughout their reports is dismal: The land was empty, neglected, abandoned, desolate, fallen into ruins

Nothing there [Jerusalem] to be seen but a little of the old walls which is yet remaining and all the rest is grass, moss and weeds. — English pilgrim in 1590

The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population — British consul in 1857

There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [valley of Jezreel] — not for 30 miles in either direction. One may ride 10 miles hereabouts and not see 10 human beings.
For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee. Nazareth is for lorn. Jericho lies a moldering ruin. Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation untenanted by any living creature.

Mark Twain said this, when he visted the land in 1868. A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds a silent, mournful expanse a desolation. We never saw a human being on the whole route. Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.

Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes . . . desolate and unlovely. — Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, 1867

Their [the Jews] labors created newer and better conditions and opportunities

The restoration of the "desolate and unlovely" land began in the latter half of the Nineteenth Century with the first Jewish pioneers. Their labors created newer and better conditions and opportunities, which in turn attracted migrants from many parts of the Middle East, both Arabs and others.

The Balfour Declaration of 1917, confirmed by the League of Nations Mandate, commited the British Government to the principle that "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object. . . . " It was specified both that this area be open to "close Jewish settlement" and that the rights of all inhabitants already in the country be preserved and protected.

Mandate Palestine originally included all of what is now Jordan, as well as all of what is now Israel, and the territories between them. However, when Great Britain's protégé Emir Abdullah was forced to leave the ancestral Hashemite domain in Arabia, the British created a realm for him that included all of Manfate Palestine east of the Jordan River. There was no traditional or historic Arab name for this land, so it was called after the river: first Trans-Jordan and later Jordan.

By this political act, that violated the conditions of the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate, the British cut more than 75 percent out of the Jewish National Home. No Jew has ever been permitted to reside in Trans-Jordan/Jordan.

Less than 25 percent then remained of Mandate Palestine, and even in this remnant, the British violated the Balfour and Mandate requirements for a "Jewish National Home" and for "close Jewish settlement". They progressively restricted where Jews could buy land, where they could live, build, farm or work.

After the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel was finally able to settle some small part of those lands from which the Jews had been debarred by the British. Successive British governments regularly condemn their settlement as "illegal". In truth, it was the British who had acted illegally in banning Jews from these parts of the Jewish National Home.

Who Is A Palestinian?

During the period of the Mandate, it was the Jewish population that was known as "Palestinians" including those who served in the British Army in World War II.

British policy was to curtail their numbers and progressively limit Jewish immigration. By 1939, the White Paper virtually put an end to admission of Jews to Palestine. This policy was imposed the most stringently at the very time this Home was most desperately needed — after the rise of Nazi power in Europe. Jews who might have developed the empty lands of Palestine and left progeny there, instead died in the gas chambers of Europe or in the seas they were trying to cross to the Promised Land.

At the same time that the British slammed the gates on Jews, they permitted or ignored massive illegal immigration into Western Palestine from Arab countries Jordan, Syria, Egypt, North Africa. In 1939, Winston Churchill noted that "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied . . . ." Exact population statistics may be problematic, but it seems that by 1947 the number of Arabs west of the Jordan River was approximately triple of what it had been in 1900.

The current myth is that these Arabs were long established in Palestine, until the Jews came and "displaced" them. The fact is, that recent Arab immigration into Palestine "displaced" the Jews. That the massive increase in Arab population was very recent is attested by the ruling of the United Nations: That any Arab who had lived in Palestine for two years and then left in 1948 qualifies as a "Palestinian refugees".

Casual use of population statistics for Jews and Arabs in Palestine rarely consider how the proportions came to be. One factor was the British policy of keeping out Jews while bringing in Arabs. Another factor was the violence used to kill or drive out Jews even where they had been long established.

For one example: The Jewish connection with Hebron goes back to Abraham, and there has been an Israelite/Jewish community there since Joshua long before it was King David's first capital. In 1929, Arab rioters with the passive consent of the British — killed or drove out virtually the entire Jewish community.

It is now often proposed as a principle of international law and morality that all places that the British and the Arabs rendered Judenrein must forever remain so.

For another example: In 1948, Trans-Jordan seized much of Judea and Samaria (which they called The West Bank) and East Jerusalem and the Old City. They killed or drove out every Jew.

It is now often proposed as a principle of international law and morality that all places that the British and the Arabs rendered Judenrein must forever remain so. In contrast, Israel eventually allotted 17 percent of Mandate Palestine has a large and growing population of Arab citizens.

From Palestine To Israel

What was to become of "Palestine" after the Mandate? This question was taken up by various British and international commissions and other bodies, culminating with the United Nations in 1947. During the various deliberations, Arab officials, spokesmen and writers expressed their views on "Palestine".

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it." — Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not" — Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." — Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956
By 1948, the Arabs had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin. When they were offered half of Palestine west of the Jordan River for a state, the offer was violently rejected. Six Arab states launched a war of annihilation against the nascent State of Israel. Their purpose was not to establish an independent Falastin. Their aim was to partition western Palestine amongst themselves.

They did not succeed in killing Israel, but Trans-Jordan succeeded in taking Judea and Samaria (West Bank) and East Jerusalem, killing or driving out all the Jews who had lived in those places, and banning Jews of all nations from Jewish holy places. Egypt succeeded in taking the Gaza Strip. These two Arab states held these lands until 1967. Then they launched another war of annihilation against Israel, and in consequence lost the lands they had taken by war in 1948.

During those 19 years, 1948-1967, Jordan and Egypt never offered to surrendar those lands to make up an independent state of Falastin. The "Palestinians" never sought it. Nobody in the world ever suggested it, much less demanded it.

Finally, in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Movement was founded. Ahmed Shukairy, who less than 10 years earlier had denied the existence of Palestine, was its first chairman. Its charter proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel. To that end it helped to precipitate the Arab attack on Israel in 1967.

The outcome of that attack then inspired an alteration in public rhetoric. As propaganda, it sounds better to speak of the liberation of Falastin than of the destruction of Israel. Much of the world, governments and media and public opinion, accept virtually without question of serious analysis the new-sprung myth of an Arab nation of Falastin, whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews.

Since the end of World War I, the Arabs of the Middle East and North Africa have been given independent states in 99.5 percent of the land they claimed. Lord Balfour once expressed his hope that when the Arabs had been given so much, they would "not begrudge" the Jews the "little notch" promised to them.


Dov

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20.05.2002 12:57

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FRANK


Zionnazi propaganda

20.05.2002 13:27

First you take their lands, then you take their homes, schools factories and offices. Then you call them 'terrorists' why then try to fight back. And now you say that, in fact, they never even existed.

I don't know if there's a word in the English language to describe you in civilised terms. But now, more than at any other time I equate Zionism with racism, supramacy and pure facism. I hope my children don't grow up in a world with people like you still holding power.

Adam


Where's your proof?

20.05.2002 13:48

Dov, where is the edvidence that "Palestine never existed in history"? Only I am one of the majority that believe that Palestine was taken away in 1948 to make way for the State of Israel. However, you may be making sense, or again, you can just be spouting off Zionist propanganda. Anyway, history aside, today Israeli Zionists are murdering hundreds of Palestians (I use that term because even if Palenstine didn't really exist then, it certainly does now, albeit currently occupied (wrongly) by Israel, who have oppresed these people from day one). In my opinion, both Muslims and Jews have a rightful claim to Jerusalem, and altough the Israeli state should never have been created, it was, and although you cannot rewrite history, you can make it. Isreal should retreat back to its 1967 borders since that was when all the problems started with the Occupation. The Occupied Terrtories should form a free Palestine. Both Jewish and Muslim people should have free access to Jerusalem to worship the way the want, they are both decendants of Abrham after all. Sadly I don't think this will happen since there is WAY too much hate in the world, but maybe in 100 years time...

P.S.: FRANK, what actually is a "Zionazi"? Sounds a lot like a contradiction in terms, since Zionists claim that the Jews have a right to a "homeland" though I think they are wrong, I am actually anti-Zionist, which is not the same as anti-Semitism, (I think I read somewhere that the Palestinians are actually Semites themselves, so anti-Semitism should really mean hatred towards BOTH Israelis and Palestians!). Whilst the Nazis wanted the wipe the Jews off the face of the planet! And I'm not one of them either!

P.P.S.: VICTORY TO THE INFANTADA!!!!!

Thomas J


Palestine never existed

20.05.2002 14:45

Thomas you say, Only I am one of the majority that believe that Palestine was taken away in 1948 to make way for the State of Israel.

Thomas, Palestine is a fake invented Roman name, which the Romans named after the European Philistines. The Palestinians never controlled or governed any land before 1948. The Palestinians are really unwanted Arabs from Syria and Egypt who immigrated to the land, because of the Jobs the Jews created. The British controlled the land in 48 and before that for 400 years the Turks did. The Palestinians were invented in 1964 by the Egyptian terrorist Yasser Terrorfat.

He's right


Adam

20.05.2002 14:50

Adam, Besides Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Every country in the Mideast and North Africa was never Arab before the 7th century. Muhammad invaded and stole all these lands from the Native peoples and forced them to be Islamic. Anyone that didn't convert to Islam, had there heads cut off like Daniel Pearl. Islam = Terror.

Joe


this of course depends on definition of state

20.05.2002 15:47

and of nation. and of course who is actually the oprresed in the instance. incidentally, lenin once wrote ' we do not stand for the state; international socialism is higher than the state'

acorn tributor


why do you think it matters?

20.05.2002 16:34

I don't see how some boring dissertation about the origins of the term 'Palestine' should have any bearing on what I think of what is going on there.

As far as I can see, the israeli's dominate the area in terms of resources (water, land etc) and are trying to get more. They can't do this without a reaction from the poorer Palestinians, so they use force and treat them like shit in order to maintain control.

It replicates what western foreign policy has been about for the last couple of hundred years.

christopher spence


Joe

20.05.2002 16:51

Joe, you are talking absolute rubbish. It states in the Koran that Jews and Christians are 'people of the book' who worship the same God and should be treated with respect. While there were some periods of tension (usually caused by Europeans arriving on their periodic crusades) Jews, Muslims and Christians co-existed in the Holy Land relatively peacefully.

Muhammed


You've got to be kidding!

20.05.2002 17:11

Please tell me you are not seriously expecting us to believe that the land was somehow 'empty' for a few thousand years and was only populated by 'unwanted' Arabs from other areas in the last fifty years?!

If that is what you are asserting, do you realise the huge number of problems/discrepancies that exist with this argument?!! Come on, get real. You should at least be 'brave' enough to say what you really believe, i.e. that you, an Israeli, get to live on that land because your God said to you 3,000 years ago that the land is yours, and that when you came to 'reclaim' your land, there were some unwanted people who, unfortunately, refused to leave their land and homes despite the gentle 'persuasion' that was provided for them to leave.

You’ve taken their homes and their lives, don’t try and take their history as well.

Adam


A balanced view?

20.05.2002 17:38

This looks like a rather more balanced version of the history of the region:

 http://www.mideastweb.org/BriefHistory.htm


Comments?

pj


Lame Argument

20.05.2002 19:05

Whatever the historic origin of these people, they are systematically being shit upon by Israel, literally.

Dove of Peace


the land is free

20.05.2002 21:20

In regards to property, history matters not. It's not
because I've lived in a house for a couple of years
that the house belongs to me forever, and I should be
allowed to come back later and kick out the current
occupiers.

gzzzt..


Memorials in London

20.05.2002 21:35

Palestine gets a mention on the relavent war memeorials in London. This makes it a real place for British purposes. And that's what matters - check the records if you don't agree.

bobby


The dangers of enourmous ego

20.05.2002 23:18

People I am not saying the guy was wrong but some are very quik to jump to accusations of someone being a zionazi. Some people were not born from the womb knowing the history of every country. At some point in your lives you learnt that there is a Palestinian history. Dov learnt that now, hooray for him.

I didn't know much about it either which is why I am here, was I a zionazi until a few minutes ago.

I hope someday maybe you learn that boosting your ego by sending accusations to people so that you can walk off thinking how political you are has done bug all for anyone except piss a few people off. I think most people would agree that peace between the Palestinians and Israel would be very nice, if you can't get peace on a discussion board promoting causes to help a situation much larger than the soap operas you love creating then you can consider your messages useless.

Adam, a different one


Palestine

21.05.2002 06:09

So what if Palestine never exsisted as a political entity! people are being liquidated when are people going to become more enlightend and live together in peace.Genocide is no answer to the problem throw away religion and consign it to the dustbin of history.Nations , flags , and flag waving only lead to one thing blood and death!WE ALL BELONG TO THE SAME SPECIES , HUMANITY. Nations , religion , and ethnicity mean nothing cast off this evil religion and become more human and undrstanding.

John


jews R not the lost tribe

21.05.2002 09:29

jews seem to think they are the chosen few the main players in the story, but they have stolen the title just as they have stolen the Palestinians land.

check out Ethiopia ...not the falasha another possee

Ras Tafari


The speech of hizbollah secretary...

21.05.2002 15:15

The speech of Hizbollah secretary general during a rally in support of the Palestinian people
22-5-2001
~

In the days of victory, we are holding this rally to sympathize with the resistant people of Palestine and to side with them in their uprising against the Israeli occupation.

This rally is an expression of our political, psychological and morale support of the Palestinians who are living under siege.

We should realize that the Palestinian resistance and Intifada have reached an important and advanced stage that it could in a short period not only to rock the Israeli security but also its economy and military institution.

Because of the intifada hundreds of thousands of Israelis are preparing to flee, a clear indication that the Palestinians are quickly heading towards achieving their goal.

The Israelis proved by using all their weapons against the Palestinians that the Intifada is threatening their existence and their future. On the other side The Palestinians must know that their struggle is great and has a historical influence.

You, the Palestinians don’t underestimate any act because what you do is more than great. Don’t pay attention to what the world or the United States says about you. Put the whole world aside and continue the struggle until you achieve your goals.

I call on the Palestinians not bet on the United States and to rely only on their capabilities. Your brethren in Lebanon fought for years and never waited for an Arab summit. In 1993 the Israeli air force destroyed our villages, towns and infrastructure but the Arab leaders didn’t bother to convene, they even refused to hold a summit on ministerial level. In 1996 Israel launched a large-scale ware against Lebanon in which it perpetrated massacres, killed our women and children, but the Arab leaders didn’t hold a summit, on the contrary they held a summit in Sharm al sheik to describe us as terrorists.

Don’t hang many hopes on Arab leaders who tied the fate of their thrones to the US which will never intervene to save you but to save Sharon and his government.

You the Palestinians, we will never let you down, we are altogether in the same battle whether the Shebba farms were under occupation or not. And I want to assure you and declare that Hizbollah in its entirety is at the service of the hamas movement, Islamic Jihad and every Palestinian faction.

Jimbob


People are still being brutally murdered

21.05.2002 16:36

Whether or not Palestine did or did not exist does't justify the murder of millions of Palestinians by there so-called "Jews", who if they actually read a bit further into their holy scriptures would find out that Judaism (along with ever other major religion, including Islam and Christianity) is mostly all about peace and love towards all humankind. Thanks to pj's link I have found there actually WAS a Palestine before 1948, and that the Jews actually took over from the Caananites after Moses led them out of Egypt (Strange how history/RE lessons never tell you WHY they were in Egypt in the first place).

Oh and "He's right", you accuse the Palestians of being a bunch of terrorists, when the majority have nothing but stones to throw at the Israeli Occupation Forces, whilst the IOF's have nice, new, modern machine guns, helicopters, and warplanes, courtesy of the good old US of A. Now then, remind me, who are the terrorists?

Thomas J


What's in a name?

21.05.2002 17:32

It's all right and dandy to lay out a dissertation on the origins of a name, but it becomes pretty much irrelevant in view of the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were driven off their land by a Western-supported army and now live in squalid conditions, dominated by the very people who drove them from their homes in the first place. Hand your dissertation to somebody in a refugee camp and he will simply ask you: what about my father's house? What about my grandfather's field? These people did not come from all over the world to live for 40 years in refugee camps. They are there because they were driven out and because Israel is too belligerent to let them back into the country they come from, or even allow them to establish a viable state next door to Israel and compensate them for the injustice it has done to them.

jjf


there are no Palestinians

22.05.2002 11:25

I live in cornwall, one could have endless
arguments about weather there are an actual
cornish people. Maby there are maby not.
BUT if people came and took my house and my
land and forced me to live in devon I would
deffinatly accept no argument which says
that england is a big place and that the English
shouldn't be so gready and they should let
this other people have this little bit of land
(and control of all the resorses on it like water)
I would know it was my land and I would fight for
it.

I know a palestinian and he knows he has a Land and
a right to it!

Vitory to the interfadia!

jk


Israel Is Real! God's chosen people!

10.07.2004 21:50

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless you. May Yeshua bring His wrath and judgment down upon the bastards of the bastard Ishmael.

Zionist


1

22.12.2004 20:38

We are all one consciousness.

The body changes, the spirit remains.

A structure of manipulation inside of a sturcture of manipulation divided us long ago.

Now we must realize we can work togeather to cast light on the shadow of deception.

Trust your own heart and no other outside influence. You know what to do.

Simply, drop the hate, before it's too late.

Andy