JM is too ignorant to understand that the denial of Israeli terrorism against Paletinian is the problem. Most of us have heard Arafat condemn Palestinian terrorism against Israeli civilians. But we have not heard Sharon ever respond with the same humanity.

The AP reported yesterday that Israeli terrorism near Jenin had killed a 30-year old mother and her two pre-school children, ages four and six. Elsewhere in Tulkanen, Israeli terrorism killed a nine year old boy.

The Palestinian father and husband of this Jenin massacre was even prvented to go to the assitance of his murdered family. The Israeli terrorists made him stripp to his underwear, cuffed, questioned and detained him for three hours while his famile was beeding to death.

During the past 19 month, 1600 Palestinians and 468 Israelis have been killed by terrorism, and as in all wars most of the victims have been civilians.

And sadly, JM has no clue as to why there are suicide bombings.

A few more things the Israeli state might like to apologize for-

Ethnic cleansing
Assassination
Torture
Kidnap
Destruction of homes/livelihoods
Weapons proliferation
Supporting South Africa
Training Latin American death squads.
Stealing and colonising land
Blatant racism
Zero committment to peace since 1947

Solidarity with brave jewish refuseniks
Boycott Israel NOW!

And they call us terrorists

by Amir Meshkin Wednesday
May 01, 2002 at 10:27 PM

Zionists even kill their own

And They Call Us Terrorists ...

by Amir Meshkin


Today, Arabs and Muslims are often associated with terrorism. Sharon often states that talks will not resume until Arafat controls his army of terrorists. Now that it is quiet obvious that Sharon does not even want peace, the question remains. What exactly is terrorism? Terrorism is violence, especially bombing, kidnapping, and assassination, carried out for political reasons as defined by most dictionaries. Terrorism is however used only by a weaker people against a stronger while the stronger people simply use their military. The problem with this is the weaker and usually oppressed people are labeled the terrorists while the stronger people often get away with mass murder.

Every Palestinian killed today was killed by terrorists. They may not have crude home-made bombs and mortars, but this detail makes their actions far more cruel. Power corrupts and Israel's use of excessive force against a weaker people fits in well with the definition of terrorism. Israel was not always the stronger people however. Before Israel got what it wanted, Zionists practically invented terrorism.

Terror was a policy first adopted by Zionists. The first airplane hijacking was committed by Israel in 1954 when a civilian Syrian airliner was hijacked shortly after the plane took off. Zionists invented the car bomb, and Zionists were the first to assassinate United Nations personnel as well as attack their own allies, such as the attack on the USS Liberty in 1967. Today no one seems to remember the Zionist truck-bomb which blew up Jerusalems King David hotel killing around 200 in 1946. Not many even know that on October 14, 1953, an elite unit under command of current Prime Minister Ariel Sharon attacked the village of Qibya in Jordan. Army officials stated that intelligence stated the village was evacuated, but the UN found bullet holes in the debris. The bullet holes were made from Sharon and his men shooting at the houses to make sure the inhabitants stayed inside while the time bombs went off. Around 66 houses were blown up killing over a hundred civilians, mainly women and children. Zionist terrorism in the 1930s and 1940s has been forgotten because it is obvious that the winners write the history books. There are however many instances of Zionist terrorism that would be impossible to fit in one measly article.

Terrorism was the only policy of the Zionists, which were determined to scare all Arabs from what they believe was their land. Cafes and restaurant were favorite targets of Zionist along with poor residential neighborhoods. More than 500 civilians were killed in the years of 1937 and 1938 alone. On April 16, 1939, Zionist terrorists randomly shot two Arab civilians near Betah Takfe settlements setting up many similar instances where innocent civilians were randomly shot week after week. A study showed that the 6 months before the birth of Israel, over 1,000 Arabs were killed and almost a million scared or evicted from their homes. This is not only terrorism but mass terrorism, designed to force Muslims to migrate elsewhere.

These operations became more cruel when Zionist realized that a Jewish state was a possibility. The problem for the Zionist was however the security of the Jews. The world however can obviously see that the Zionist did not want to mix with Arabs. How could Gods chosen people mingle with inferior race anyhow? Around the second half of December 1947, Zionist attacked civilians in villages within the Haifa sub-district and soon they moved to villages in the sub-district of Safad and Tabaraya. Over 170 men, women and children civilians were killed in these attacks. Although many Arabs were scared away at this point, this did not stop Zionist from attacking residents of Al-Tireh, Saasa, Kfar Husseiniya, Sarafand, Kalounya, Beyt Sourik, Aylaboun, Al-Shajara and Nasser Al-Dine killing 250 civilians. Israel however shocked the world when they slaughtered a few hundred civilians in the village of Deir Yassin, on the 19th of April. Even after the establishment of the Jewish state, Zionist still did not believe Israel to be pure.

In the summer of 1953, Israel attacked the camp of Bureig in Gaza, and then the village of Kubeiya killing 60 and wounding 90 Arab civilians. Every week seemed to bring another massacre at the hands of Zionists. The more famous of these were the massacres at the village of Nahalin and the coast of Tabaraya lake killing around 20. In the 1956 war, Israel showed its love of human beings by bombing villages in Gaza killing hundreds of civilians. The 1956 massacres of Kfar Kassem and Khan Younus saw the deaths off 450 civilians which were mainly workers and farmers. In 1966 and 1967, raids on Al-Nakib and Al-Sumu saw the deaths of 50 civilians. Palestinians were not the only targets of Zionist however.

Zionist terrorism spread across the borders whenever Israel felt like they needed to retaliate against Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt. In September of 1967, around 200 Egyptian civilians were killed in Al-Suise, the port of Tawfik and Al-Ismailiya. Around 100 were killed in raids on sub-districts of Arbad and Al-Salat. Israel stated that these villages contained Palestinian fighters and followed with more attacks the following year.

Around 130 civilians were killed in the summer of 1968 in Al-Suise and Al-Ismailiya, and 1969 saw the deaths of 60 civilian in attacks on Al-Hama and Meysaloon, in Syria and Bour Said, in Egypt. An attack of a factory in Abi Zubel saw the deaths of 70 civilians in 1970, and 50 school children were killed when Israel attacked Baher Al-Bakar school in Egypt.

Palestinians have never attacked an Israeli school yet they still call Palestinians terrorists. The massacres in Lebanon alone should bring massive condemnation of Israel from the world but generally has not. Seems like the holocaust is Israel's excuse for repeating the evil.

When Israel invaded and occupied the southern part of Lebanon in 1982, it was clear they truly wanted to add to their nation of hatred. There were reports of civilians rounded up in Mosques and murdered as well as daily rocket attacks, shelling, air raids, naval bombings, mines, car bombs, home demolitions, assassination and napalm attacks. The targets of these atrocities were hospitals, mosques, gatherings, market places, lone houses and schools. Ports were also closed devastating the economy and not allowing medical supplies and other aid to reach needy civilians. Israeli settlers reportedly also poisoned water supplies while Israel disrupted electricity and stole water from Lebanese rivers. To view just some of the atrocities performed by Israel against Lebanon, go to . There are far too many to list here, and the website mentioned only brushes on the mentioned massacres. In conclusion tens of thousands of Lebanese were killed, wounded, and missing. Many of these were men, women, children, the elderly, journalists and even religious figures. Some of the more discreet weapons of terrorism were cluster and vacuum bombs, shrapnel, phosphoric and napalm, and (I still cannot believe this) booby trapped dolls. If these actions by Sharon, which masterminded the invasion and occupation, were not ethnic cleansing and very cruel, then you may need to check weather or not you were born with a heart.

Israel has always been a sneaky type of country. They want to kill as many Arabs as they can, but will dodge the blame whenever possible. UN reports stated that in 1982, Maronite Christians supervised and helped by Israeli soldiers killed around 3000 civilians in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Israel was also known to squash cars full of civilians with tanks and bombing houses. In 1973, Israel also shot down a Libyan civil aircraft over Sinai killing all 106 civilian passengers aboard. Israel also has an obsession of killing Muslims while they practice their faith as shown in one of the more famous cases in 1994 where 50 Arab Muslims were killed in the Ibrahimi Mosque in Al-Khalil. Israel has even committed these types of war crimes against its own allies in the past.

During the 1967 war, Israel attacked the USS liberty killing 35 soldiers. Israel stated they saw no flag and mistook the ship for an Egyptian ship. The shiny American ship not only looked nothing like the Egyptian ship but flew a large American flag overhead. Israel then made up a phony and flawed testimony about the incident but the US did not buy it. The two notable terrorist actions against the British however were the assassination of Lord Mowin in Cairo and the attempted assassination of Sir Harold McMichel in Jerusalem. Zionist terrorists assassinated or attempted to assassinate many high ranking employees of large companies, officers and judges.

Zionists were also known to do some very cruel things such as hanging opponents on tree trunks and electrical poles, crucifications, and blowing up the bodies of kidnapped victims by sticking dynamite inside the victim. If you still do not believe that Zionism is just as cruel, if not more cruel, than nazism, then read the next paragraph on what some Zionists did to their own people.

Not only were their reports of key Zionists meeting with Hitler, but there were also many terrorist acts against European Jews which Zionists believed were sinners and not pure. The Jewish ship Patria was blown up in November of 1940 of the coast of Palestine. The ship was carrying 1,900 illegal Jewish immigrants into Palestine, 240 of which drowned. In 1942, Zionist gangs blew up the Stromanear the shore of Turkey which was carrying 770 illegal Jews, all of which drowned. Even today, some modern Zionists show their same hatred and cruelty.

The father of a girl who was almost blown up recently by a Hamas militant stated an opinion which many Jews take to heart. David Glam, stated recently that he does not hate Arabs generally. But when they act this way and hurt people," he adds, referring to suicide bombings, "it makes me hate them. He later states that if he had an atomic bomb, he would use it on the Arabs. Many would not be surprised if another war in the middle east ended with Israel unleashing its nuclear arsenal.

This is not propaganda but simple facts. Israel committed many of these atrocities and many more, some personally performed by Sharon himself. To kill civilians for political reason is terrorism. The assassination of activists is terrorism. The shooting of kids when all they do is throw stones is terrorism. The two sides may have switched but Israel's cruel past can be seen in its cruel treatment of Arabs by its military.

Israel does not want peace, it wants all the Arabs to leave the land they believe is theirs. Hundreds of kids have been killed by Israel and they call us terrorists. Villages have been destroyed with dynamite while the inhabitants were asleep inside, and they call us terrorists. Thousands of houses have been bulldozed over the years, and they call us terrorists.

Helicopters, naval warships, and tanks pound on civilians in villages daily and they call us terrorists. How come no one ever calls some of Israel's unbelievable and vile acts terrorism? Why are we called terrorists because of a few bad apples when Israel's army commits terrorism against us on a daily basis. All they seem to do is kill but if we throw a stone, God forbid, we are suddenly labeled as the terrorists.


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Wat capitalist NAZIONISTS are doing here is the old tit for tat bitching, we are better than them, no we are better than them and so forth and so on, in a neverending cycle of accusation, blame and stereotyping, they are attempting to align Israel with America as if Israelie interests and American interests are the same, to many left wing Jews this whole concept of Israelies having to bow and scrap to captalist america is totally disgusting, America espeacially the latest American regieme is led by a man called Bush, and man whose grandfather laundered money, possesions and jewellery stolen from Jewish concentration camp inmates, for the third reich, this in it self is offensive, to the memory of holocaust victims, that Israelie interests and social policies have somehow become interwined with descendants of Fascists, and fascist social policies such as segregation, ghettoisation and pogroms have been incorporated into our vision of a libertarian state. We believe that the people who spread hate in the middle east, hate of the Arabs, or hate of the Jews are doing so, becos they have vested interests in destabilising Israel, in making sure Jews are never allowed or given the opportunity to become the left wing troublemakers and community activists they were in the 1920s to 1940s(dont forgot Karl Marx was jewish, as were many of the first revolutionaries of this century, what better way to stifle the true nature of Judaism and the Jewish people, agitation and exile, than to transform the whole nature of Judaism, into something totally opposite, to subvert Jewishness, beyond all recognition, so that it resembles nothing except Nazism. This is how the NEW WORLD ORDER AND NEO NAZI FOURTH REICH has almost destroyed Judaism and the Jewish people, by transforming their image of Jews into a mirror image of their beloved jackbooted goosestepping gung ho rednecks, the fourth reich has effectively extinguished the light of Judaism, it is time for us to reclaim Judaism from the Fourth Reich, and to give Arabs their basic human rights and freedoms, such as the right to move and live even amongst us, side by side, its time we stopped doing Nazi Bush's dirty work for him, that is accepting that the only way to treat those of different religions is too, subjugate and degrade them. We know many right wing muslims may always hate and attack Jews just for being Jews, but is it right to copy them and to descend to their level, they do have an excuse, some of the teachings of the Quran can be misinterpretated easily, but what excuse do we have, is Judasim really so backward, bloodthirsty and merciless, I think not, I think the interpretation of Jewishness as exhibited by certain right wing elements in Israel, is a total misrepresentation of Judaism, and is a gross distortion of Judaism.

You should be particularly ashamed at the way your fellow Jews, the Mossad, attacked the World Trade Center, Pentagon and civilian aircraft on September 11th, and danced in secret to celebrate the coup, which gave the US and Israel an excuse to attack the Arab World and grab their oil.

What JW has posted here is one of the most ignorant and thoughtless pieces I have ever seen on the internet. He should be ashamed. Only the truley blind, ignorant and stupid would claim that the Israelis are without blood on their hands.

israel is supported by a network of PR/Media manipulators that goes from the White House press office right down to IMC. Right from middle class radical chic, with their flowery
rhetoric and writing and well developed and practised methods of debate. Through to the ignorant right wing zionist thugo types, like JW ?. UK indymedia has it's resident israel pluggers. They slag people off and accuse them of being anti semitic and racist, skillfully twisting the argument round to their side. None of them take into consideration the implications of Israels carefully planned "strategy of tension" designed to and achieve exactly what is going down right about now. There are some pretty shit people on both sides, and the media would like to keep us to concentrate on personalities. So we miss the point, which is that the state of israel is coordinating the whole operation to get shot of the Palestinians. The worlds media is in on the scam ..

What about the bombing of the KING DAVID HOTEL ?
What about the STERN and IRGUN zionist paramilits ?

Tragic thing as this article shows, is that people begin to not only forget the truths which fail to fit in with their politics, but then they start to believe in their own propaganda...

entire nexus of the outburst. In an attempt to negate any culpability of Israel, the writer counterposes the entire Arab world; a case of ''by their propaganda you shall know them'' i fear...

this page is starting to look like it really delivers that which was promised in the original title after all - thanks for setting off this exchange JW, though I expect u'r not too happy about the way it's going.

However, in the free market of ideas the better argument always wins, and your patheticly feeble effort is taking quite a serious trouncing here - even to call it an argument at all seriously downgrades everyone else's contribution.

Perhaps this is just what happens when headstrong but ill-prepared freelance zionist-apologists such as yourself take it upon themselves to tactlessly pipe up in defence of the Jewish State of Israel.

Now if you were smart you'd trail your ass down to the local Israeli Embassy and ask about the Mossad-sponsored learning-annex course in agit-propaganda - if you ever graduate from it you may be of some use in justifying Israeli disregard for International Law, but for the time being you will just continue to harm rather than help your cause.

However, this does not mean I think you are smart, nor am I asking you to stop your efforts. Hahaha, keep up the good work, Sunshine.

Shalom, JW

God told me itwas ok

May I suggest reading this. I'm sure your thoughts would change a little.

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