and how many palestians murdered today by the i d f

The Palestinian paramilitaries have got to realise that the Israel civilian population are not the enemy! It is the Israeli ruling class! Like in all wars it is the ruling class of all countries who are the oppressors not the workers of those countries! It is the ruling class of Israel who have waged war against the Palestinian people not the workers of Israel. All the workers of the world have more in common with each other than with their rulers! What the Palestinian militias should be doing is trying to unite with the Israeli working class and get them to turn on their rulers!

What is needed in the middle east is the creation of a Palestinian workers state consisting of both Jews and Arabs!

Suicide bombings against innocents should be condemned. A desperate people living under daily occupation are lacking effective leadership. Arafat fails, and is hated by, most Palestinians, but he is kept in place by US/Isreal with support from the CIA. US and Israeli criticisms of Arafat are just propaganda, they could have taken him out a long time ago if they wished. They want him to carry on in his dictatorship. Until he goes and their is effective leadership the only way sadly, the Palestinians can fight for freedom is through suicide attacks. I send my best regards to the internationals in Palestine protesting against the Israeli terrorists. At least they are less likely to be killed by the Isreali forces when protesting peacefully unlike the arabs.

what fuckin planet do you live on......


the same one that believes in the democratic choice of america??

i cant believe all the apologists for terrorism here. you can condemn certain aspects of sharon's policies without supporting terrorism. i suggest you reassess your values, my friends.

When is terrorism not terrorism? When it is a last ditch attempt at self-defence. Do you think people WANT to blow themselves up? But when you see your son with his brains spilling out, for nothing, and no ambulance can get through, you might just feel bitter. Israel has alienated itself from the World, and is paying the price.

An effect of this most recent tragedy was to vastly strengthen Sharon's
position just as the meeting with Bush got underway...

Can it just be coincidence that the Brittisch Government condoned to discuss peace/settlement with the IRA ONLY AFTER an effective campaign by same to bomb the shit out of the City of London, with mortars pattering down in the garden of No.10 Downing St. during Major's term in office, or is that just my illusion of reality?

I assume that if the Britisch had adopted the same extreme tactics in N. Ireland as Israel does in Palestina, by, for example razing Crossmaglen to the ground and killing quantities of its inhabitants, as I'm pretty sure Maggie was sorely tempted to do after having the fur taken off her arse at Brighton (and better than with any Remington Fuzz-Away), there would have been no scarcity of volunteers queuing to carry out suicide-attacks, even if only armed with bare hands, against Britisch targets. Anybody disagree?

It is apparent, however, that the Brittisch State was, in this case, much more sophisticated in it's application of violence than it's Israeli counterpart, and thus successfully avoided a full-scale civil war while finally reaching an acceptable political solution.

But then, there are many important differences between these two entities which make the chances of the current State of Israel replicating the above feat look exceedingly slim indeed.

Firstly, and from this basis most problems spring, Israel is a State designed by zionist ideals from it's inception to cater exclusively to one Religion and one (so-called) Race, i.e., the Jewish one. This effectively means extreme systematic discrimination against other groups.

That Israel was ever a 'Democracy' in the sense this term is understood in western Europe, is really just decorative political veneer. Those holier-than-thou protestations about how it's 'the only democracy in the middle-east' have the ring of the 'Hello, I'm John, and I'm not a murderer'-introduction about them. It has in fact been, and still is, run by an extremely militaristic Theocratically Bent Junta, very similar to Turkey, except that there the Junta has an extreme Secular Bent.

The fact that even the thought of divorcing Religion from the State, Politics and the Military of Israel seems beyond the pale of presentable contemporary thought says a lot for political shallowness, historical amnesia and a long future for war in the middle-east.

Shalom, BlackPope