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SWP bullies those who condemn terrorism

Alliance for Workers' Liberty | 27.04.2002 09:30

Some recent events summarised: an exclusion from a meeting in Birmingham, the 13 March Palestine demonstration in London and the left's response to it.

1. Saturday 23 March, Birmingham. A workshop on Palestine at a conference sponsored by the Stop the War campaigns and the Trades Council. AWL member Jim Denham speaks, argues for "two nations, two states", says that while crimes were committed in the setting up of Israel in 1948, it is false to describe it as "genocide". Heckling, denunciations. Eventually, after Jim mutters "that's not true" in response to an accusation, a member of the audience moves across the meeting to Jim and grabbed him (not a serious physical assault), and then storms out of the room. The chair responds by instructing Jim to leave the meeting, which he does after quietly stating a protest. Afterwards the chair tells Jim that it is his, Jim's, views, which make him unacceptable in the meeting, not any fault of behaviour.

2. Also in Birmingham: AWL members put out a leaflet, "why socialists should be secular". At a meeting of the "dissident" or "non-SWP" Stop the War committee (there is a split in Stop the War in Birmingham), the leaflet is denounced as "something the BNP could put out" and Jim as an "Islamophobe". No AWL member is present. Others in the meeting dissent from the denunciation. The committee decides to table the question of the leaflet and Jim's views for discussion at its next meeting.

3. Saturday 13 March, London. The Socialist Alliance executive discusses its attitude to the Palestine demonstration that same afternoon called by the Muslim Association. AWL member Martin Thomas points out that the Muslim Association's most prominent indication of its politics, on its website, is a top-featured link to the Pakistani fundamentalist party Jamaat-e-Islami; argues that the Socialist Alliance should not "go with the flow" of such politics but raise clearly distinct socialist slogans such as "two nations, two states". No-one disputes the facts about the Muslim Association; but the meeting votes for the slogans "Victory to the intifada! Free Palestine!" The SWP members present vote against "Israel out of the occupied territories" (wrong emphasis, they explain).

4. Saturday 13 March, London: the demonstration. Very big - perhaps not the 100,000 claimed, but very big. As the march sets off, stewards try (with not much success) to separate marchers into segregated men's and women's contingents. The dominant theme is Sharon = Hitler, Zionist = Nazi, Star of David = swastika. Few precise demands (none on the leaflet calling for the demonstration). Rally in Trafalgar Square opens with a reading of verses from the Koran. Jeremy Corbyn and Tony Benn speak. They are repeatedly interrupted, at the microphone, by an imam chanting Allah-o-Akhbar and getting the crowd to chant along.

5. Some Asian demonstrators individually express dissent by refusing fundamentalist leaflets, by not standing still for the readings from the Koran, or by taking "two nations, two states" placards from AWL members there. No collective, visible, organised expression of dissent from the left groupings in the demonstration.

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Yawn, yawn, fuckin' yawn

27.04.2002 13:06

If the various lefty sects (and that means all of them) can't stop there petty childish squables, then they deserve to be treated with the contempt they are by most working class people.

Fuck the egos and get on with the struggle. Oh, and stop crying and whinging about how you're treated by other lefty sects, what the fuck do you expect with your 'we're always right' attitude. There's no sympathy for posers.

Either engage in dialogue and sort it out (if your adult enough) or shut the fuck up.

more yawn


the Stalinist school of condemnation

27.04.2002 14:46

Yet another group (this time the AWL) mounts a critique of the SWPs methods, and the response is typical: They either ridicule you for "childishness" (a meaningless remark actually), accuse you for "counter- revolutionaries", "police agents" and "sectarians", and if you debate with them, their responses range from the peevish to the nasty. Few of them have a real grasp of Marxism, despite the summer schools they attend, but then what else could you expect from their core membership (mostly illiterates, drunk students, and christians)?
Let me quote Trotsky, for like the Stalinists of old, the SWP "...maintain their rule not through the brilliance of their ideas, but through their total social weight...", what Gramsci would refer to as hegemony.
The creator of the SWP, the recently deceased Tony Cliff very cleverly neutralised Trotsky while deifying him (just as Stalin did with Lenin). Trotsky, he announced, had made predictions at the end of his life which turned out to be wrong; therefore, Trotskys entire analysis of the world in the 1930s was plain faulty...
Now, this is a lesson for politicians not to go making such predictions, for ineveitably they go wrong !. But, that is no reason to conflate Trotskys predictions with his analysis; indeed, Marx & co did much the same. For example, in a very important piece by Engels, He correctly describes the failure of the British working class to develop an independent critique "You ask me what the British worker thinks about the empire; I say its exactly what the bourgoisie thinks", but he then goes on to predict that the entire empire including India and Australia will break away in revolutions.... obviously Wrong ! But this does not make Engels analysis wrong; indeed, the British workers support for do-good -imperialism today is as vehement as then.

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Give it a rest!

27.04.2002 16:09

I wish people would stop harping on about how bad the SWP is, and get on with being socialists or anti-capitalists or anarchists, or whatever they are! I'm not actually in the SWP, but am sympathetic to them, so I do have some perspective on this. Yes, the Socialist Worker can seem like a tabloid rag at times - but I think this is deliberate, to attract those who might otherwise read the Sun/Mail/Mirror etc. If you want deeper analysis, go read the Socialist Review. It's not much wonder the SW doesn't sell well to students, those who moan the most about it.

Addressing the points above - the AWL veer worryingly towards Zionism at times... I think that the founding of Israel can be criticised, and it can be pointed out that it was founded on terrorism, but it wasn't actually genocide - it was a mass destruction and did involve driving out an entire people.

As for slogans - victory to the intifada is not pandering to Islamists. I'd agree with 'two states' as well, but if a majority voted against it, then so be it. If the SWP are a majority in the STWC, that's probably since they have lots of members...

And I was with SWP/SWSS members on the Palestine march, and we were all trying very hard to keep the chants secular, which was obviously difficult, it being a march called by Muslims! They even tried to enforce sitting down to prayer before the march. Basically, the stewarding of the march was chaotic, the march had no clear demands or politics to it, and blaming the SWP for that is simply not fair. We were marching with a large group of Asian girls. They did think the signs read 'Social Workers' to start with, and kept wanting to chant 'Sharon is the new Hitler' but in our sections that always died down pretty quickly.

The solution? Get lots of socialists on marches to try to politicise Muslims towards socialism!

Matt

Matt


Oslo Agreement

27.04.2002 19:55

You say that the 'majority' didn't vote for a two-state solution to the conflict, but the majority of Palestinians did following the signing of the Oslo Agreement.

Dan Brett
mail e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk


The Chants.

27.04.2002 20:26

And I was with SWP/SWSS members on the Palestine march, and we were all trying very hard to keep the chants secular, which was obviously difficult

The Chants. They were a brilliant singing group from Liverpool in the 1960's. Certainly brought more happiness to the people of Merseyside than any amount of I.S. loons with megaphones. Some of The Chants went on to form The Real Thing in the 1970's. Much better to listen to and of far more relevance to working class scousers than any number of SWP student gobshites.

Ronnie.