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Left-wing anti-semitism

Daniel Brett | 23.04.2002 12:53

Article by Oriana Fallaci, one of Europe's best known journalists and authors. This is a translation of an article published this week in the Italian magazine Panorama (as well as picked up by the daily Corriere della Sera) which is starting to make lots of noise. Fallaci, now aged 71, broke onto the scene in the late ' 60s when she covered Vietnam, the Greek colonels' coup, the the Middle East etc etc. She was then a strong supporter of the Palestinian cause.

I find it shameful that in Italy there should be a procession of individuals dressed as suicide bombers who spew vile abuse at Israel, hold up photographs of Israeli leaders on whose foreheads they have drawn the swasitka, incite people to hate the Jews. And who, in order to see Jews once again in the extermination camps, in the gas chambers, in the ovens of Dachau and Mauthausen and Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen et cetera, would sell their own mother to a harem.

I find it shameful that the Catholic Church should permit a bishop, one with lodgings in the Vatican no less, a saintly man who was found in Jerusalem with an arsenal of arms and explosives hidden in the secret compartments of his sacred Mercedes, to participate in that procession and plant himself in front of a microphone to thank in the name of God the suicide bombers who massacre the Jews in pizzerias and supermarkets. To call them ³martyrs who go to their deaths as to a party.²


I find it shameful that in France, the France of Liberty-Equality-Fraternity, they burn synagogues, terrorize Jews, profane their cemeteries. I find it shameful that the youth of Holland and Germany and Denmark flaunt the kaffiah just as Mussolini¹s avant garde used to flaunt the club and the fascist badge. I find it shameful that in nearly all the universities of Europe Palestinian students sponsor and nurture anti-semitism. That in Sweden they asked that the Nobel Peace Prize given to Shimon Peres in 1994 be taken back and conferred on the dove with the olive branch in his mouth, that is on Arafat. I find it shameful that the distinguished members of the Committee, a Committee that (it would appear) rewards political color rather than merit, should take this request into consideration and even respond to it. In hell the Nobel Prize honors he who does not receive it.

I find it shameful (we¹re back in Italy) that state-run television stations contribute to the resurgent antisemitism, crying only over Palestinian deaths while playing down Israeli deaths, glossing over them in unwilling tones.
I find it shameful that in their debates they host with much deference the scoundrels with turban or kaffiah who yesterday sang hymns to the slaughter at New York and today sing hymns to the slaughters at Jerusalem, at Haifa, at Netanya, at Tel Aviv. I find it shameful that the press does the same, that it is indignant because Israeli tanks surround the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, that it is not indignant because inside that same church two hundred Palestinian terrorists well armed with machine guns and munitions and explosives (among them are various leaders of Hamas and Al-Aqsa) are not unwelcome guests of the monks (who then accept bottles of mineral water and jars of honey from the soldiers of those tanks). I find it shameful that, in giving the number of Israelis killed since the beginning of the Second Intifada (four hundred twelve), a noted daily newspaper found it appropriate to underline in capital letters that more people are killed in their traffic accidents. (Six hundred a year).

I find it shameful that the Roman Observer, the newspaper of the Pope--a Pope who not long ago left in the Wailing Wall a letter of apology for the Jews--accuses of extermination a people who were exterminated in the millions by Christians. By Europeans. I find it shameful that this newspaper denies to the survivors of that people (survivors who still have numbers tattooed on their arms) the right to react, to defend themselves, to not be exterminated again. I find it shameful that in the name of Jesus Christ (a Jew without whom they would all be unemployed), the priests of our parishes or Social Centers or whatever they are flirt with the assassins of those in Jerusalem who cannot go to eat a pizza or buy some eggs without being blown up. I find it shameful that they are on the side of the very ones who inaugurated terrorism, killing us on airplanes, in airports, at the Olympics, and who today entertain themselves by killing western journalists. By shooting them, abducting them, cutting their throats, decapitating them. (There¹s someone in Italy who, since the appearance of Anger and Pride, would like to do the same to me. Citing verses of the Koran he exorts his brothers² in the mosques and the Islamic Community to chastise me in the name of Allah. To kill me. Or rather to die with me. Since he¹s someone who speaks English well, I¹ll respond to him in English: ³Fuck you.²)

I find it shameful that almost all of the left, the left that twenty years ago permitted one of its union processionals to deposit a coffin (as a mafioso warning) in front of the synagogue of Rome, forgets the contribution made by the Jews to the fight against fascism. Made by Carlo and Nello Rossini, for example, by Leone Ginzburg, by Umberto Terracini, by Leo Valiani, by Emilio Sereni, by women like my friend Anna Maria Enriques Agnoletti who was shot at Florence on June 12, 1944, by seventy-five of the three-hundred-thirty-five people killed at the Fosse Ardeatine, by the infinite others killed under torture or in combat or before firing squads.
(The companions, the teachers, of my infancy and my youth.) I find it shameful that in part through the fault of the left--or rather, primarily through the fault of the left (think of the left that inaugurates its congresses applauding the representative of the PLO, leader in Italy of the Palestinians who want the destruction of Israel)--Jews in Italian cities are once again afraid. And in French cities and Dutch cities and Danish cities and German cities, it is the same. I find it shameful that Jews tremble at the passage of the scoundrels dressed like suicide bombers just as they trembled during Krystallnacht, the night in which Hitler gave free rein to the Hunt of the Jews. I find it shameful that in obedience to the stupid, vile, dishonest, and for them extremely advantageous fashion of Political Correctness the usual opportunists--or better the usual parasites--exploit the word Peace. That in the name of the word Peace, by now more debauched than the words Love and Humanity, they absolve one side alone of its hate and bestiality. That in the name of a pacifism (read conformism) delegated to the singing crickets and buffoons who used to lick Pol Pot¹s feet they incite people who are confused or ingenuous or intimidated. Trick them, corrupt them, carry them back a half century to the time of the yellow star on the coat. These charlatans who care about the Palestinians as much as I care about the charlatans. That is not at all.

I find it shameful that many Italians and many Europeans have chosen as their standard-bearer the gentleman (or so it is polite to say) Arafat. This nonentity who thanks to the money of the Saudi Royal Family plays the Mussolini ad perpetuum and in his megalomania believes he will pass into History as the George Washington of Palestine. This ungrammatical wretch who when I interviewed him was unable even to put together a complete sentence, to make articulate conversation. So that to put it all together, write it, publish it, cost me a tremendous effort and I concluded that compared to him even Ghaddafi sounds like Leonardo da Vinci. This false warrior who always goes around in uniform like Pinochet, never putting on civilian garb, and yet despite this has never participated in a battle. War is something he sends, has always sent, others to do for him. That is, the poor souls who believe in him. This pompous incompetent who playing the part of Head of State caused the failure of the Camp David negotiations, Clinton¹s mediation.
No-no-I-want-Jerusalem-all-to-myself. This eternal liar who has a flash of sincerity only when (in private) he denies Israel¹s right to exist, and who as I say in my book contradicts himself every five minutes. He always plays the double-cross, lies even if you ask him what time it is, so that you can never trust him. Never! With him you will always wind up systematically betrayed. This eternal terrorist who knows only how to be a terrorist (while keeping himself safe) and who during the Seventies, that is when I interviewed him, even trained the terrorists of Baader-Meinhof. With them,
children ten years of age. Poor children. (Now he trains them to become suicide bombers. A hundred baby suicide bombers are in the works: a hundred!). This weathercock who keeps his wife at Paris, served and revered like a queen, and keeps his people down in the shit. He takes them out of the shit only to send them to die, to kill and to die, like the eighteen year old girls who in order to earn equality with men have to strap on explosives and disintegrate with their victims. And yet many Italians love him, yes. Just like they loved Mussolini. And many other Europeans do the same.

I find it shameful and see in all this the rise of a new fascism, a new nazism. A fascism, a nazism, that much more grim and revolting because it is conducted and nourished by those who hypocritically pose as do-gooders, progressives, communists, pacifists, Catholics or rather Christians, and who have the gall to label a warmonger anyone like me who screams the truth.

I see it, yes, and I say the following. I have never been tender with the tragic and Shakespearean figure Sharon. (³I know you¹ve come to add another scalp to your necklace,² he murmured almost with sadness when I went to interview him in 1982.). I have often had disagreements with the Israelis, ugly ones, and in the past I have defended the Palestinians a great deal. Maybe more than they deserved. But I stand with Israel, I stand with the Jews. I stand just as I stood as a young girl during the time when I fought with them, and when the Anna Marias were shot. I defend their right to exist, to defend themselves, to not let themselves be exterminated a second time. And disgusted by the antisemitism of many Italians, of many Europeans, I am ashamed of this shame that dishonors my Country and Europe. At best, it is not a community of States, but a pit of Pontius Pilates. And even if all the inhabitants of this planet were to think otherwise, I would continue to think so.

Daniel Brett
- e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk

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Palestine solidarity is not anti-semitism

23.04.2002 13:03

Not all Jewish people are Zionists, and not even all Zionists support the occupation. We support the Palestinians, we do NOT hate Jewish people.

internationalist
- Homepage: http://www.stopwar.org.uk


More Zionist propaganda. Great. Thanks

23.04.2002 14:49

Why post this garbage here, except to reinforce the weight of the pro-Sharon propaganda we are constantly swamped by? Who cares if the author is "known throughout Europe"? I can read identical stories in the Daily Mail/Telegraph or see it on the BBC and everywhere else.

Fantasy as propaganda. Cheers Daniel.

Auntie Beeb


Denial

23.04.2002 14:52

I don't doubt that many people on the left are not anti-Jewish, but the question is about the toleration of anti-Jewish prejudices. The march against the reoccupation the other week was a frightening display of anti-Jewish hostility - the crowd chanted 'jihad' and Allahu Akhbar while 'socialists' held up placards with the Star of David placed next to the Nazi symbol. One speaker castigated the Jewish race while another called for an Islamic Palestine 'from the river to the sea', implying that Jews were not welcome. There was even praise for the 'martyrs' (ie those who blow themselves up in cafes and bar mitsvahs) by George Galloway. Meanwhile, young men with balaclavas held Hezbollah flags and people cheered as they burned the Israeli flag. Coupled with the burning of mosques and the rise of the extreme right in mainland Europe, many Jews are terrified and feel they have no option but to support Israel. While the SWP and others are prepared to fight the BNP, they are allied with those who support a race war against Jewish civilians.
Please, take racism out of the pro-Palestine and stop marching alongside Muslim fascists.

Daniel Brett
mail e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk


quit blubbering !

23.04.2002 15:13

This attempt at an article is as long and disingenuous as an Oscar acceptance speech in Hollywood.
Obviously you do care, but you "do" sincere and you do "blubber" as well.
You really should get an Oscar.

Oscar


Pro Palestine, not Anti-Semite

23.04.2002 16:09

I find it shameful that Jews can commit genocide and use the suffering of their forefathers as a smokescreen to deflect any criticism from the world community, of all racial and ethnic persuasions, who condemn the occupation of Palestine. As George Bush said, a murder, is a murderer.

Juror


Shame

23.04.2002 16:32

And what of the Jewish civilians killed by intifada terrorists? Why is the left's sympathy only with the Palestinians?
I find the European Left to be a bunch of hypocrits. They are mainly interested in attacking the US, not exploring the complexity of the situation. I bet that if we were back in the situation of the 1940s, when Jews in Palestine were regarded as terrorists by the UK, the left would support the Jews. Everything is polarised in the Left's minds - good and evil, America and the oppressed, etc, etc - because it makes sloganeering and demonising people a lot easier. I would not say it's about innate racism in the left, but simply stupidity. This can only marginalise the Jewish community and make them identify with the Israeli state.
Let's have a pro-humanist policy of condemning the suffering and murder of all civilians, Jewish and Arabs, instead of allying with Hamas and Islamic Jihad, who are just as repugnant as the IDF, and calling Jew the new Nazis. Then the anti-war movement would have more Jewish supporters and would cease to be a forum for the recruitment of extremists.

Daniel Brett
mail e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk


What Is "Anti-Semitism"?

23.04.2002 16:32

Pro-Sharon Zionist goons-GET A CLUE!!! Your playing the "anti-Semitism" card is becoming a real old ploy.
Most Israeli Jews are NOT Semitic people of Middle Eastern origin, but Euro-Caucasian immigrants or their descendents from Europe and America. But guess who ARE Semitic people-Palestinians and Arabs! Look it up in
the dictionary! Anti-Semitism is bigotry directed at ALL people of Middle Eastern ethnicity (including Palestinian/Arab)! So who is practicing anti-Semitism?! We do NOT practice religious bigotry! We are NOT anti-Jewish! Anti-Zionist is NOT anti-Jewish! GET A CLUE ZIONIST FOOLS!!!!

Anti-Fascist


Jewish anti-palestinianism

23.04.2002 17:11

waldo


2nd attempt

23.04.2002 17:24

waldo


Zionists and Anti-Semitism

23.04.2002 18:39

I've read two fascinating articles in the last couple of weeks. One is in today's Haaretz, a major Israeli daily. It says that Jews should welcome LePen's upset in France as it is really a message for Muslims to "shut up." The second article was in New York's Forward, a Jewish weeksly. This article (which I unfortuantely can't link - go to the site) says that fundamentalist Christians in the US are an "ironic" ally in that they are both virulantly anti-Semitic and staunch supporters of Israel.

Over and over again, zionists will ally with fascists from Christian countries. They did it during the second world war and they are doing it now. And while this is happening, they are promoting anti-semitism.

If you say, as the Israelis do, that opposing the occupaiton is "anti-Semitism," what percentage of peopel will say, "Okay, I hate Jews if that's what Jews are."

Zionists are so fanatical, they can't see that their own bloodthirsty politic is not shared outside their communities. They try to latch onto the US empire and support any atrocity, from Apartheid South Africa to the occupation of Palestine to back up their own military state.

Israel is doing more damage to Jews than any other force in the world. It is killing Jews from the Spirit. Once Einstein was the most famous Jewish name in the world. Now it is Sharon. Disgusting.

And I'm a Jew who loves himself. Zionists are the enemy. Fascists are the enemy. Choose your side. America won't protect you forever.

the burningman


The meaning of the world antisemitism

23.04.2002 19:04

Anti-semitism means hating Jewish people.

If the dictionary says otherwise, the dictionary is wrong.

The meaning of a word is what people mean when they use that word, not what the dictionary says.

The dictionary's job is to describe the langauge not prescribe it.

This message isn't going to comment on the actual issues, other people can do that. I just thought I'd clarify this thing about meanings of words.

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quite interesting

23.04.2002 19:13

if we say "israelis = jews" it is antisemitic
if we say "israel=evil and hams=good" it is antisemitic
if we say "stop the war" and "sharon is a murderer" ist is not antisemitic

communists and trotzkysts/stalinists like "internationalist" or "Auntie Beeb" are antisemitic.

anarchist from spain


Anti-Semitic - My Arse!!!

23.04.2002 20:22

Daniel Brett, Anarchist you are WRONG! Daniel it is you who are living in denial by supporting genocide by Sharon. That is why the "Left" as you generalise it are against Sharon and because the Palestinians have endured years of humiliation. The "Left" you refer to them are not anti-Jewish just because they are against Israel's genocidal policies. I am not anti-Jewish. I do not support sucide bombings but I deplore the massacre in Jenin and the Israeli occupation of Palestine. But I will not be pigeon-holed as Anti-Semitic by some people who will simply refuse to acknowledge reality about the IDF's Genocide and brutal treatment of Palestinians. I will always stand up to these fools and their ignorant and totally one-side logic. They will always accuse people who disagree with them as Anti-Semitic. I will point out the reality to them again and again and again.

Bill


indymedia filters - if no text - on the link

23.04.2002 21:14

Jewish anti-palestinianism:

Words of anti-semitic hate

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Meir, Israeli Prime Minister, June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

9a. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

10. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

waldo


zionism does not challenge antisemitism

23.04.2002 21:59

I'll limit myself to a few blunt statements. Israel is not cosubstantial with the Jewish people. It is a state, a vile, repressive one sustained by US funding and an ideology that reckons Palestinians as little better than sewer rats. Secondly, suicide bombers are as nothing compared to helicopters, tanks and airjets. They may blow some of the armour off the Leviathan Israel, but that's about it. The Palestinians are not fighting a war against Jews, they are fighting a war against Zionism.
The anarchist who claimed that Trotskyists and Stalinists are antisemitic would be puzzled to meet Jewish Trotskyists and Stalinists. Ygael Gluckstein was a Trotskyist. Mike Rosen is a Trotskyists. Trotsky himself, in case you missed this vitally obvious point, was a Jew. Because you are an anarchist does not entitle you to smear others who are not anarchists.

lenin


Bill

23.04.2002 22:20

You haven't read a word I have said, have you? I never supported Sharon - I was simply pointing out that the Left was making dangerous alliances with racist jihadic groups who kills Jews. Just because they are not heavily armed does not make them more right. Galloway's open support for suicide bombers - he calls them 'freedom fighters' - who hail from militias openly hostile to all Jews is evidence of the Left's alliance with racists. This needs to be challenged with idiots like Bill claiming such criticism is Zionist or supporting genocide.

Dan Brett
mail e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk


Daniel Brett

23.04.2002 23:57

Youre wrong again, fool. There is a HUGE amount of support for the Palestinaian People and NOT the Terrorist Organisations here on Indymedia. You mention someones support for suicide bombers. Well what the hell about the rest of the postings from other "Leftists" as you call them. They have not openly supported suicide bombings! Neither do I as I stated in my previous posting. A fact which you deliberately didn't mention. You tarnish us with the same brush. This an infantile and childish tactic used by those who assume everything about a huge variety of Political Groups with very little similar interests in common with each other. Rather than look at them in detail. This shows an incredible degree of ignorance and that you are not willing to accept what you see in front of you, that is clearly obvious to anyone else.

Bill


Bill - doh

24.04.2002 09:34

Aside from your protests that you have nothing against Jews, you still march alongside those who want to kill Jews! I was at the 13th April demonstration and saw these Hamas head-cases strut their stuff, burning flags while the crowds cheered. How do you expect Jews to react?

Would you march with the BNP if you had a common platform, such as opposing privatisation or globalisation?

You also accused me of 'supporting genocide'. When have I said this? This is the kind of ploy made by people like you to deflect criticism of your alliance with Islamicists.

Daniel Brett
mail e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk


What If ?

24.04.2002 12:05

Caro, daniel your opinion seems to be lacking some actuals.
Lets look at it from another angle.....
what if the germans had successfull crossed the channel in 1940 and successfully invaded the british isles.
say they enslaved the UK population, as cheap labour.
Just like the israelis have done to the Palestinians.
It's quite possible that a group of,what shall we call them freedom fighters or terrorists ?, would form to fight the occupying forces. The germans treat the population as shit and force them to pass through humilating road blocks where it could depend the gaurds whim wether or not you were allowed to go to work, or to hospital, maybe to have a baby.
Let's say after 35 years of the same kind of treatment Israel routinely deals out to the Palestinians, life would not be worth much and there would be some pretty desperate people about. most jews, that I know, are well off middle class types,just like you, people who have had basically had pretty easy time of it , and can afford to radical (chic).
They don't know what it's like to be at the wrong end of society.
They certainly don't know what it is like to grow up in Palestine. Whatever you say, Israel is the occupying army.
Israel''s treatment of the palestinians is disgracefull.
After 35 years of german occupation of the UK I reckon
that the tactix used by the english "freedom fighters" which
is exactly what the palestinian suicide bombers are, would be very similar to that of Hamas ect. only I wonder wether the
british fighters would have the courage to blow themselves up as well. The Palestinians have been driven to desperation, desperate people do desperate deeds. Israel is to BLAME.

Sshpitfire


Condoning terrorism

24.04.2002 12:33

I've heard this ridiculous argument before: if you are deemed middle-class, you don't have a right to a view. Well, you don't know me, you know nothing of my origins and you have no right to dismiss my opinions because of your inverted snobbery and personal prejudices.

No, I don't know what it's like to live in the West Bank and I doubt that most pro-Palestinian demonstrators do either. However, that does not excuse the murder of Israeli Jews by Palestinian terrorists - or attacks on Jews outside Israel which are being carried out by extremist Islamicists. You seem to be condoning the actions of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which seems to be the general policy of the Left at the moment. This notion that no-one can criticise terrorist attacks on Jews by jehadis because Israel is an occupying force is tantamount to declaring an open season on the Jewish community.

Just as the IDF and the Israeli state must be condemned for the massacre in the West Bank, so must the jehadis be condemned IN EQUAL MEASURE for slaughtering Jews in restaurants and buses. There must be no tolerance of violence on either side. I believe strongly that the majority of both Israelis and Palestinians just want a two-state solution in which they can feel secure. To take the side of the extremists who want to obliterate Israel and the Jewish race will polarise opinion, obstruct reconciliation and prevent any settlement. To court Islamic extremists means backing perpetual war. I fear that this is what the Left has begun to do by acting as apologists to terrorists.

Daniel Brett
mail e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk


Daniel, you're being evasive and duplicitous

24.04.2002 17:46

Daniel began this message trail by insisting that Yasser Arafat was to blame for the failure of Camp David, that those who attacked Israel were being anti-semitic, and has several times insisted that suicide bombers must be condemned with the same force that one would condemn Israeli violence. I wonder if he can be serious?
First of all, let me quickly deal with the issue of Camp David. Israel's a priori conditions, before any negotiations, were that Israel would annex several of the settlements they had built, thereby depriving the Palestinians of even the meagre 22% of the land that they had been asking for in 1993, (in accordance with UN resolution 242 in case anyone thinks that's relevant), that they would accept no moral or legal responsibility for Palestinian refugees, and that they would maintain control of East Jerusalem. These were not realistic positions to accept a Palestinian leader to accept. Arafat, while very corrupt and completely out of touch with ordinary Palestinians, is also the most moderate leader they are likely to have - and these two facts are not unrelated. But even he could not accede to this new hardline Israeli position. Not after Israel had spent the last several years chucking the Oslo accords out the window, building new settlements and bulldozing Palestinian homes. If he had accepted this "Bantustan settlement" as Israel called it, he would have been ousted.
Second of all, to deny that Israel has the right to exist is not to capitulate to antisemitism. There is no hope in a two-state solution. Even if the suicide bombings won the day (which is unlikely) and got the Palestinians a workable state, there would still be a deeply racist and militarist state sitting right next to them - and you have to ask whether they would be able to keep within their own borders given their history. Israel is a state founded upon theft and oppression, from the terrorism of the Stern Gang and Irgun to the racist behaviour of the Jewish National Fund and the Zionist trade unions. It's whole raison d'etre is to have a state in which Jews are dominative, and thereby naturally Arabs are second class citizens. Not for nothing did Balfour think a Jewish state in Palestine would be "another loyal little Ulster". The parrelels are too striking for me to bother elaborating on.
Finally, you suggest a moral equivalence between suicide bombings and Israeli violence. That is at least an advance on the media position which is that the latter is morally superior. However, I would ask you to think again about this. Not because I think Jews deserve to be slaughtered (and really, your attempts to evoke the holocaust in relation to this matter are shameful, since there is no equation whatsoever between a handful of suicide bombers and industrialised extermination), but because there must of necessity be a difference between the violence of the oppressed and the violence of the oppressor. Take Vietnam. Noone in the antiwar movement could seriously have spent a lot of time worrying about the violence of the Viet Congs, and yet they were murderous Stalinist bastards. We knew that there was a difference between their violence and that of the Americans (who were also an occupying power). In the same fashion, I come from Northern Ireland and while I hate what the IRA did, I can hardly justify equating it with the violence of the British state - and this was in no way the same extreme situation as prevails in Palestine.
If there is leftwing antisemitism, (and this is not unknown from history, Bakunin, Wagner etc...), then it must be tackled. The WRP were wrong to take money from Col Gadaffi. But the SWP is not wrong to side with the Palestinians, even when they take extreme measures.

lenin
mail e-mail: lenin138@yahoo.co.uk
- Homepage: www.swp.org.uk


Daniel - here we go yet again

24.04.2002 22:53

I will go on like a broken record until I get through to you. Say this over and over again until you realise it. I HAVE NO ALLIANCES WITH ISLAMICISTS. I support the oppressed innocent people of Palestine, not the suicide bombers. I have never marched in any protest with others wanting the killing of Jews. But I must not point out to you most Anti-War protesters, like me want peace on both sides and an end to the killings of Palestinians and Jews. I would never march with the BNP they are an Anti-Semitic Organisation who have a zero tolerance of others cultures, and their beliefs are largely those of hatred, as opposed to Anti-War protests that want Peace which I would join.

Bill


what?

25.04.2002 19:05

" Why is the left's sympathy only with the Palestinians? "
because the israelis invaded a refugee camp and when there was resistance they called it terrorism and crushed it.

none


Palestine solidarity NOT anti-Israel

25.04.2002 20:37

I feel it is time somebody made a few points all too often forgotten in the highly charged discussion about Palestine and the opression of the Palestinian people, so I'm going to try to make them.

When Israel was formed and the Palestinians were forced to flee to the neighbouring countries, they were forced into refugee camps and denied citizenship. This is still true for their descendants, some of whom are now third-generation. Were this happening to a people forced to flee to the UK we would quite rightly be up in arms.

Noam Chomsky also writes in "Deterring Democracy" about "Syria's bloody intervention in Lebanon (with US backing in the early stages, when it was aimed at the Palestinians and their Lebanese allies".

While on of the catalysts of the growth of Palestinian militancy was the massacre of 30,000 Palestinians during "Black September" in 1970.

All of the above is all too often ignored in discussions about the very real plight of the Palestinians. Presenting an artificial view that the conflict is a simple black and white issue of the Palestinians v. Israel, when it is actually far more involved than that.

And no I'm not a "Zionazi" apologist.

Disillusioned kid
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