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FLASHPOINTS - RADIO PROGRAM ABOUT TERROR IN PALESTINE

New World Order | 14.04.2002 23:57

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STOP DESTROYING THE POOR BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACCEPT YOUR RULE
A RADICAL, UNSTOPPABLE ANTI-ZIONIST JEWISH MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY.. YES!.

Saturday, April 13, 2001 - Start Audio

-00:00 Dennis Bernstein: introduction: Day 12 of the standoff at the Church of the Nativity.. a Fransican priest spoke of a night of psychoterror, as Israeli broadcasts shreiking noises.. Clerics
are asking permission to dispose of a week-old dead body..
now w Majik, eyewitness, journalist, near Nativity Square..
Majik: they shot him down, by Israeli sniper.. they hit people inside the Church.. they kill a priest fighting a fire inside the church, an Armenian priest, hit another civilian.. army surrounding the church, shooting at the church.. shouting at the people with loudspeakers.. the people inside
don't have food, medicine.. they're shouting come out, you can eat, don't come out, you can't eat.. we're talking to the priests inside.. no water, no food, no electricity, no medicine.. a very difficult situation..
there are children, civilians in the Church.. supposed to be an sanctuary.. tourists.. some officers, soldiers from the Palestinian Authority.. this is the only place they could hide.. priests inside the
church.. the people inside 260 people.. thousands of others under curfew, no food, no water, some sick, can't go to hospital.. Israel shoot at ambulances.. diabetics have to go to the hospital every 3-4 days, not gone for 2 weeks.. what is happening in Bethlehem a disaster.. when the people try to go out they kill them..
-09:40 Dennis: now w Hakim Bassin in studio.. Hakim: we hear that the Palestinians inside the church are shooting at the Israelis?.. Majik: I think the people inside with guns, agree to the priests, this is a holy place, and we will not use our weapons.. the Israelis try to enter the church twice.. once they bombed the back door, then they try to come through the roof.. the Israelis trying to enter the church, and they shoot.. even when the Israeli try to enter, there is no shooting from inside the church..
the Israeli media.. US not the home of a free press anymore.. Israeli trying to control the media in the United States.. Hakim: the US media says there are 200 police officers in the church.. what are the correct numbers?.. Majik: the armed people did not take over the church.. not controlling it, hiding there.. of 250 people, 100-125 policemen, the other half civilians living near the church.. Dennis: the journalists?..
Majik: they are shooting at us journalists.. journalists from all over the world.. they arrest a Japanese cameraman, take his tape.. tell him, your tape or your life.. have guns on him.. he has to decide.. they are shooting at us, hitting us. the treatment they offer the journalists very bad.. now w Ziad Abbas, journalist from Dehaisha.. Ziad: a story two days about old man killed by tank.. Majik: he went to bring some food for his children and grandchildren.. an old man, they shoot him 10
bullets.. what is the danger an old man bring bread, medicine to his grandchildren?.. Ziad: how many journalists have been shot, injured?..
Majik: we have to walk area to area, very dangerous.. they shoot on us.. a call from the Russian community.. they stop us.. leave this area..
The Russian crew tried.. they decide to.. a difficult plight for us as journalists
-21:40 Dennis: (reads from an eyewitness account published in the London Independent).. now w Brian Wood, co-founder of International Solidarity Movement, in a small village outside Jenin.. Brian: over a thousand refugees from the Jenin refugee camp in two villages.. some quotes from refugees: one sign says "we have the right to live in peace and dignity", another: "Sharon's massacre only deepens our committment to return".. a man who had been tortured told me, "we just
want to live in peace".. Brian Wood: 12 points that comes up in our interviews, 1) the Israelis soldiers have been stamping the word 'terrorist' on the men's ID cards.. 2) detained for days at
a time, 3) given no food, 4) little water.. 5) beaten with batons, punched, kicked for flinching.. 6) handcuffed and 7) blindfolded the whole time.. 8) interrogated by Shin Bet.. who ask for
the names of those killed.. then take measures against the families of the killed. 9) threatened with death if they try to go to a hospital, or 10) return home to Jenin.. 11) medical workers barred, shot at, arrested, stripped naked and interrogated.. 12) SOLDIERS CALL IN AIRSTRIKES ON HOMES WHERE THEY SEE 'ANY' MOVEMENT' AND SOLDIERS DELIBERATELY BULLDOZE HOMES KNOWING THERE ARE FAMILIES IN THE HOMES..
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE BURIED UNDER THEIR HOMES ALIVE IN JENIN REFUGEE CAMP RIGHT NOW.. ONE MAN CALLED, 28 OF HIS RELATIVES BURIED ALIVE RIGHT NOW, THEY WILL DIE UNLESS WE GET RESCUE TO THEM SOONEST.. VERY URGENT.. PEOPLE ARE CALLING US TO COME HELP DIG PEOPLE OUT OF THE RUBBLE NOW..
PLEASE DO EVERYTHING TO RAISE AWARENESS, MAKE YOUR CONCERN PUBLIC! there are 30,000 soldiers in the Jenin Camp.. they are trying to keep everyone out of there while they are digging mass graves and trucking out the bodies.. we have spoken to many Palestinians who have seen the graves.. the Israelis are desparately trying to find a way to get rid of the bodies.. that's why they are shooting journalists.. I'm here in Tibey, not a single NGO has come here, perfectly acceptable.. today finally a couple reps of Amnesty International.. legal aspect good.. but no humanitarian aid here in a free zone.. unimaginable.. Hakim: a critical juncture.. the Israeli high court has ordered the military not to bury the bodies in mass graves.. any Israeli human rights groups involved?.. Brian: we have little information from outside here, no access to the internet, relying on phone calls to friends.. today 2000 people bring food to Jenin.. gave the food away..
but they didn't try to enter.. they had a perfect opportunity.. they could have walked right in and taken pictures.. but they let a hundred soldiers stop them..
-37:50 Dennis: now w Allegra Pacheco, human rights attorney in Bethlehem.. Ms Pacheco: I'm on the edge of Dehaisha Camp..
everyone in Bethlehem under 24 hour house arrest.. Dennis: tales of brutality and torture..
Ms Pacheco: I've visited Palestinians in prison for eight years.. seen a lot of torture.. beatings..
by soldiers, policeman.. there is a feeling in Israel, that they can get away with it, because there is such dehumanizing of the Arabs in Israel.. a new prison camp in the Negev..
(details).. Hakim: we've seen photos of Palestinians handcuffed and blindfolded, what are their conditions.. Ms Pacheco: the Isreali forces have issued an order, barring lawyers for 18 days.. no monitoring going on at the moment.. only reports from those released.. stripped to their
underwear, kneel on the bare ground for days.. torture, breaking fingers of prisoners.. quite a few petitions the last few weeks.. it could be that the international attention.. may be influencing the high court to obey international law.. not be a part of this massive military system.. the
4,000 arrested.. treated as civilians under occupation, none treated as POWs.. Sharon has called this a war, then all captured fighters should be treated as POWs. I want to ask your listeners to continue your demonstrations, they are having an enormous effect on Israel public opinion.. PLEASE KEEP IT UP!!..
-47:40 music break
-50:12 End first half of today's show

Second Hour: Start Audio
Dennis: Micah, at the rally last Tuesday, You read the 'Kaddish', Jewish Prayer for the Dead, and you read it for the Palestinians.. many of the Jews there were furious.. Micah: the best way I can
honor my Jewish ancestors is to stand with the Palestinian people.. about how Zionists try to present Jewish culture as something that they own.. Dennis: I remember being taken into the synagogue.. I get about ten veiled death threats a day.. I'm sure you have heard these kinds of things yourself.. Micah: called a self-hating Jew, a traitor.. people are calling me an anti-Semite..
ridiculous.. the policies of Israel, harmful to the Palestinians and the Jews..
now w M.C. Entenger: it is abhorant.. it is absurd, to believe it would be just in anyway.. to try to legitimize what has happened to the Palestinians.. through Jewish suffering.. (a brief history of Zionism).. US was not supporting any effort to save Jews.. and evidence that many people who were supporting political Zionism actually encouraged those non-efforts.. we are denied our true history.. Judaism is not monolithic.. campaigns of defamation and harassment.. against Jewish voices of dissent.. Micah and I.. why healing fear is key.. healing the fear of the *other*
-07:10 KPFA News Headlines
-11:10 Dennis: now with Mr. Al-Kayat (sp?) near Balata Camp.. Mr. Al-Kayat (details how Israel is treating the Palestinians.. ... now segment with Hakim Basian.. Hakim: 70% of the old city is
destroyed.. the youngest house in the old city, 200 to 300 years old.. everywhere is tanks..
no help can get it.. food and medicine.. my neighbor does have water for ten days.. the situation
like this for another week.. half the people here sick because of the garbage and no water.. Dennis: we're hearing about the destruction of the old city of Nablus.. Hatem: .. Did the Israeli arrest the young men in Nablus, anybody know?.. Mr. Al-Kayat: 120,000 people in Nablus.. by a marker they put number on each one.. in the Holocaust Museum I saw it, and now I see it again..
putting x's on the ones to take to the camps.. Hakim: what feeling came to you hearing about the numbers and marking?.. M.C. Entenger: the people in Jenin lying in rubble no rescue made.. for any person of conscience, we need to maintain our humanity.. to demand of our government to resist this onslaught.. this should not happen to people ever again.. Hakim: if there is a silver lining it is that we are developing a network.. a shift is occurring.. building solid coalitions..
-29:00 Dennis: now w Dr. Mustafa Barghouthi (link2 link3 ) of the Health Development Information and Policy Institute of Ramallah and president of the Union of Palestinian Medical Relief Committees.. Dr. Barghouthi: ..the whole education system is down.. the whole health care system is down..
all services down, no garbage collection, no water, no food, refugees in 1948 and now again
in 2002.. developing an arartheid system..
hundreds of people were massacred in this camp.. Nablus an ancient, ancient city.. they bombed it with Apache helicopters.. Dennis: any medical relief getting in?.. Dr. Barghoutti: yes the Jordan convoy being provided to people.. that convoy and 5 other trucks allowed in.. but 35 trucks not allowed in.. very very very difficult to function.. 112 times Israel has attacked ambulances or medical team.. NO CLEAN WATER, STOP DESTROYING THE POOR BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACCEPT YOUR RULE.. Sharon wants a Palestinian state in Jordan.. induce the Palestinians to go to the West Bank.. trying to destroy the infrastructure.. to induce people to leave..
through the destruction of the economy.. 50% unemployment already.. to make people think about their alternatives, they are all cut off from each other.. destruction of civil society.. cause individuals and families to seel employment elsewhere, to induce them to leave.. about the 'terrorist' stamp on the ID cards of Jenin residents.. how many of these individuals are going to be transferred.. in extreme fear, people will accept the most drastic measure.. 59% of Israeli support the idea of
transfer if they can get away with it.. the 'final solution' for the security and demographic issues of Israel and the Arabs.. US CONGRESS OCCUPIED ISRAELI TERRITORY.. people being taught to hate..
doesn't appear much opposition in the US to this program..
-45:30 now w Dr. Mark Ellis, author of 'Practicing Exile' and chair of the Center for American and Jewish Studies at Rutgers.. Dennis: people in the rubble.. Dr. Mark Ellis: this is news that all of us should know.. but our media not bringing this across..
is to know too late.. why didn't we see this before?.. why did we keep arguing that Israel wouldn't
do this?.. what are we going to do now?.. Dennis: about Micah's speech at the Sproul Plaza Tuesday, and hate mail from other Jews.. Mark: Palestinians are integral to our history, in killing them, we are destroying our own history.. those who cast aspersions.. Dennis: now w listener
phone calls.. Mark: we need to wake up, because we are losing.. we have to ask ourselves, what do we do now.. to the Jews who haven't left the left, don't get back into those slogans that don't mean anything (like 'full withdrawal', and 'cut off military aid to Israel').. no will in US policy to consider such.. the question now is will Palestinians survive this crisis? doesn't everybody see that?.. Jews for a Free Palestine.. on the phone, Debrah from Tikkun.. MC Entenger: multi racial and multi
ethnic.. a growing movement.. for an end to the current massacres, end to the occupation, right of return, working together in world consensus..
an idealogical lockdown in this country.. but we are rising in numbers..
A RADICAL, UNSTOPPABLE ANTI-ZIONIST JEWISH MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY.. YES!.. Dennis: Mark, do you see a parallel with the Warsaw Ghetto?.. Mark: an interesting parallel..
Jews had nothing left to lose, were surrounded, had to fight their own establishment, and fought valiantly.. Palestinians are resisting in the way any people have a right to resist.. now w Deborah of Tikkun Magazine:
to voice as a vote to end the occupation here.. phone calls everyday.. to get pummelled by people.. how to continue?.. now Seth with two members of t/ISM just back from Israel.. Seth: we have gotten a lot of positive comments on Micah through Jewish Voice for Peace..
(more).. the situation was really bad a month ago, it is horrific now..
Kate Rafael near Jenin said every person had some sort of wound.. this can't go on..
-61:30/font> EVENTS: Coalition for Peace and Justice in the Holy Land, Sunday April 14 1-3pm 3003 Scott, Santa Clara info 408-986-9874; fundraiser, April 19th, 5748 Mowry School
Road and I880, info 510-914-6722; also Jews for a Free Palestine meeting, Friday, 7:30PM, April 19, at Café Coquelet, Berkeley.. Dennis: call me 510-848-6767 ext 260 or 244
-64:01 End second segment, end today's show

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