youll just have to queueueueueue for hours with a bunch of weirdoes gong on "int she marverllus, int she wunderfull ?", you might have to provide details of identity and thatll only be logged against you for future use, when the blair bonapartist regime* collapses and reaction sets in for real.

*marxist term. dont worry about it.

I've coppied this from the latest Socialist Worker. Read on and let your hatred for the monarchy grow !


The truth about the Queen Mother

THE QUEEN Mother was a racist snob who excelled in extravagant living. Amid all the grovelling, hypocritical tributes paid to her this week, here are some facts to remember. The Queen Mother referred to black people as "nig-nogs" or "blackamoors". She backed white minority rule in Rhodesia. She criticised Lord Mountbatten, viceroy of India, "for giving away the empire" and his wife because "her mother was half-Jewish".

She opposed immigration, and thought black Africans incapable of running their own countries. The media call her the "nation's favourite granny", but she enjoyed luxury beyond most people's wildest dreams. The Queen Mother squandered millions on vintage champagne, racehorses and parties. She had five homes, including a Scottish castle with 25,000 acres worth £20 million.

The castle cost half a million pounds a year to run. She refused to give it up even though she only stayed there for six weeks a year. A small army of 80 servants was employed to look after her. The Queen Mother dined out at the poshest restaurants, like Claridge's and the Ritz. She liked to have "drinky-poos" before her lavish lunches.

Her fortune was estimated at £60 million. Even so, she couldn't manage on the £643,000 she creamed off us from the civil list every year. Luckily for her, the queen regularly chucked her a million quid or two. Prince Charles had to cough up another £80,000 a year to pay her long-suffering servants.

A royal aide denied she was mean, saying, "She is simply out of touch with the costs of modern life and believes that what she pays is a living wage." When officials pointed out that she had amassed a £4 million overdraft, she refused to economise or sell any of her huge jewellery collection. This included a necklace once owned by Marie Antoinette.

In her will she left some money to "her darlings", not relatives but racehorses. The Queen Mother was hailed as the first commoner to marry into the royal family. In fact she was the daughter of the Earl of Strathmore, and her full name was Lady Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowes-Lyon. Hers was a typically caring aristocratic family.

Two of Elizabeth's nieces were born disabled and were secretly locked away in a mental institution for the rest of their lives. The public was told they were dead. She married Prince Albert, who was second in line to the throne. One biographer, Michael Thornton, writes, "Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was determined to marry into the royal family so, after his third proposal, she settled for the runt of the litter."

When Edward VIII abdicated in 1936 to marry Wallis Simpson, Albert became king and Elizabeth queen. The Second World War was, the media say, the Queen Mother's greatest hour as she stuck by the people of London during the Blitz. But the idea that she shared the wartime privations of ordinary people is a complete myth.

The king and queen visited Buckingham Palace during the day, but slept every night in Windsor Castle. East Enders booed, jeered and pelted the Queen Mother with rubbish on her first tour of east London. She believed her pampered appearance would "raise morale". It just showed how she still lived the high life while everyone else endured rationing.

For some 50 years the Queen Mother guarded royal documents in vaults at Windsor Castle that detailed the abdicated king's relations with Hitler and the Nazis. They included captured German documents describing the Windsors' meeting with Hitler in 1937 and plans to restore the Duke of Windsor to the throne if the Nazis won the war. Some of these documents remain hidden from the public.

Before the war began the Queen Mother was a supporter of making concessions to Hitler and the Nazis. She once sent a copy of Hitler's Mein Kampf to a friend, saying, "Even a skip through gives you a good idea of his obvious sincerity."

The Queen Mother was vicious to anyone she thought undermined the royal family. Her treatment of the royal nanny Marion Crawford was described by one writer as "symptomatic of the ruthless and brutal cold-heartedness of that family and the way they treat the victims they leave in their wake who have generally done them great service".

She did not step willingly aside for her daughter to become queen. The then prime minister, Winston Churchill, had to bribe her to get her out of Buckingham Palace. The media praise her "devotion to duty", but she was far more devoted to drinking and betting. The establishment is uneasy about what the response to the Queen Mother's death will be. So they should be. For 100 years we paid to keep her in the lap of luxury.

The article could have waited, don't these people have ANY respect for the dead? She was human too you know. While I have no _personal_ liking for the royals, as an institution I respect it wholeheartedly. The article looks like a classic smear, resorting to down and dirty personal attacks to try and push a republican agenda. It's also strange that the person who writes it doesn't seem to mind us dishing out £4.4bn a year to keep illegal immigrants who are nothing to do with this country in the lap of luxury.

Hey Jack, if we ever meet, it won't be cash that I'll be dishing out . . .

Why do you nazis pretend to like the monarchy anyway? There's no use in hiding your national socialism behind the Union Flag. We all know that you love Hitler and want to destroy everything that is good about this country. In fact, most of the immigrants (whatever their ethnic origin) are more English than you are!

See you in Bermondsey on the 20th. I've got a present for you. If you want I'll stick it up your arse.

And I sure as hell won't be at Bermondsey!

If my post describing why I'm against groups like the NF, national socialism, and the celebrating of Hilter, wasn't deleted, you'd know this by now.

I don't admire Hitler, because I'm a NATIONALIST, not a NATIONAL SOCIALIST. Understand?

I'm in favour of the monarchy as an institution, I don't particularly know much about them as people, but the institution of the monarchy should be protected, it's part of the nation.

So good luck with your adventures in Bermondsey, those pathetic thrill seekers in the NF deserve what they get, because all they do is parade about like thugs dragging the rest of us democratic nationalists into the mud. If anything, I wouldn't mind betting there's a fair few infiltrators from British intelligence in their ranks, all out to discredit legitimate nationalism by means of dirty tricks. Same with Copeland, who was blatently one of them. If the establishment can't win the argument fairly, they resort to these sorts of tactics.

And I sure as hell won't be at Bermondsey!

If my post describing why I'm against groups like the NF, national socialism, and the celebrating of Hilter, wasn't deleted, you'd know this by now.

I don't admire Hitler, because I'm a NATIONALIST, not a NATIONAL SOCIALIST. Understand?

I'm in favour of the monarchy as an institution, I don't particularly know much about them as people, but the institution of the monarchy should be protected, it's part of the nation.

So good luck with your adventures in Bermondsey, those pathetic thrill seekers in the NF deserve what they get, because all they do is parade about like thugs dragging the rest of us democratic nationalists into the mud. If anything, I wouldn't mind betting there's a fair few infiltrators from British intelligence in their ranks, all out to discredit legitimate nationalism by means of dirty tricks. Same with Copeland, who was blatently one of them. If the establishment can't win the argument fairly, they resort to these sorts of tactics.

And I sure as hell won't be at Bermondsey!

If my post describing why I'm against groups like the NF, national socialism, and the celebrating of Hilter, wasn't deleted, you'd know this by now.

I don't admire Hitler, because I'm a NATIONALIST, not a NATIONAL SOCIALIST. Understand?

I'm in favour of the monarchy as an institution, I don't particularly know much about them as people, but the institution of the monarchy should be protected, it's part of the nation.

So good luck with your adventures in Bermondsey, those pathetic thrill seekers in the NF deserve what they get, because all they do is parade about like thugs dragging the rest of us democratic nationalists into the mud. If anything, I wouldn't mind betting there's a fair few infiltrators from British intelligence in their ranks, all out to discredit legitimate nationalism by means of dirty tricks. Same with Copeland, who was blatently one of them. If the establishment can't win the argument fairly, they resort to these sorts of tactics.

Who gives a shit for the dead? Why should you respect the dead if you didn't when they were alive? Why the pretence and hypocrisy?

You're wrong, though - we don't want a republic, we want an end to all government and to put fascist arseholes like you against the wall and blow your brains out. I'm indifferent to the Queen Mum's death, but I'll be cheering when you Nazi freaks are six feet under. I hope you take a lesson from Hitler - swallow some cyanide before we get our hands on you.

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Lets not get patriotism confused with NS or Fascism. If you go take a look at the Redwatch guestbook you can tell that fascists are opposed to the monarchy too.

Fascism is a revolutionary form of ultra-nationalism which is in opposition to conservatism, liberalism, Marxism and simple (liberal or conservative) patriotism. Sure, fascists have colluded with conservative and nationalist elements of the state, but the fascist aim is to bring about a revolutionary rebirth of the nation. The monarchy is a remnant of the old, decadent, liberal era which is what fascists want to sweep away to replace instead with an authoritarian, oppressive nation based on pseudo-scientific notions of race, nationality and genetics and a bizarre and narrow minded vision of what the myth of the nation really is.

I'm not a fascist but an anarchist, but we need to know the enemy to recognise it. Marxists hate this theory of fascism - the New Consensus - but hell, lets not let them define terms simply for their own benefit.

Actually, most of the human race "give a shit for the dead"; surely it's a defining quality of being human? In this particular instance I too am indifferent, since I never knew her, but my indifference doesn't result in taking pleasure from her death.

You seem very keen on it. First it was Hugo Chavez (leftist President of Venezuela) whose brains you wanted to blow out, now it's the turn of Fascists to go "up against the wall". Perhaps there were others I missed.

You keep referring to "we". Well you can count me out since all you seem to be asking for is no government and the chance to murder anyone you deem to be a fascist.

you becoming a real tasty geezer, daniel ?
coming down hard on de fascisti


LB ( 4 it is he)

Yawn. All this crap about 'understanding' fascists and ultra-pacifism gets on my wick. Try reasoning with an Israeli soldier whose got his gun sights focussed on you, or some thick-necked skinhead smashing a knuckle-duster in your mouth, or Castro's secret police who give two hoots about free speech when they torture you, or some Nazis frog-marhing you into a gas chamber. Go on, see where the power of love and reason gets you when you are faced with those who want to kill you. The truth about fascism is that it systematically murders people and that the only option is to fight, just as those anarchists fought Franco in Spain.

I'm not a skin head or a thug, but Daniel wants me lined-up against a wall and murdered for my beliefs.

Try reasoning with that, I've tried.

Jacko me boy. Are you so stupid that you haven't realised that the error message you get when you post a contribution is an error.

Dan if you're collecting for walls for Jack and his pals put me down for a couple of hods worth.

Eric: Jack has been allocated a wall space right next to his boyfriend, Nick Griffin. Don't wory, Jack, we'll be humane.

You really are a lost cause. If we are just a bunch of misfits, why is it that hundreds of thousands of white Britons turn out to anti-capitalist events, whereas only two dozen of the "master race" show for neo-nazi rallies?

You can try and disguise your nazism behind a bogus front of patriotism, but it won't wash with the British public. In fifty years from now, your mythical white race won't exist any more. There will be Blacks, Asians, Reds and anarchos in every neighbourhood. There is nothing you can do to change that. So I suggest that either you accept this, or jump off Beachy Head, 'cos that will save Dan the price of a bullet.

The problem with you Nazis Jack, is that you're all in favour of the right of freedom of speech right up to the point that you reach the position to end it. Even now your buddy boys in Combat 18 conduct most of their political debating with the boot and the baseball bat.

You just have to face it Jack, people are wise to you, and aren't prepared to give you the opportunity to put your perverted little right wing social fantasies into practice. You can waste your time here if you like trying to engage us in an intellectual (sic) debate, but there's nothing in this for us. What we want to do is keep you securely under your slimey rock and too scared to come out into the light.

There is not point being an anti fascist after they've taken power - it's too late then. The point is, and always must be, to get our response in first.

Anarchist Rioter is spot on - the place to debate with nazis like you Jack is on the streets.

As a mark of respect, can we stop bothering with BNP Jack ("Boots"), though it is interesting that we are only seeing Nazis defend our sadly departed QM.

I want to make the case that it is a tragedy, in fact a double tragedy.

First of all, if she had hung on for a few more days, I would have won my work sweepstake.

Secondly, we're not getting a fucking holiday. Two major reasons for mourning.

cant you people stop argueing and think about all those lovely stickers i had saying queen mum hurry up and die? they're all wasted now. she could have waited until i stuck them up. huh some people hey just have no respect for other peoples property

Just cross out Queen Mum and replace it with Thatcher

but he fails to understand that he is focussing on only one manifestation of fascism. in actual practice, the monarchy was strenghtened in many of the fascist regimes, typically italy (despite its courting of futurism too), japan, and spain. only in the NSDAP version was a blatantly "preaetorian" model tried. conclusion ? there is NO automatic antipathy between royalism and facsism (or bewteen the church and facsism, but thats another topic)

So the truth comes out - you ARE a member of the BNP. I've reserved a special space for you and your Nazi boyfriends.