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Murder of Marco Biagi in Italy - Media ignoring the obvious question - P2?

DEadelvis@imc.irl | 21.03.2002 15:27

Is the reichstag burning (again)?

The murder of negotiator Marco Biagi in Italy - which is being blamed on the reconstituted 'Red Brigades' seems almost too good to be true for Berlusconi who is facing the prospect of an imminent general strike. It gives him an excuse to continue his repression of the radical left in Italy. He has already called for the planned general strike to be called off. The media in general in the west is completely ignoring the well documented history of state and right wing involvement in terrorism in post-war Italy.

A shadowy group called P2 was behind a large percentage of terrorist incidents in that period - incidents which were blamed on the left and used to criminalise and repress very strong left wing movements in the state.

Could this be happening again?

The question needs to be asked.

Why?

Berlusconi was a member of P2.

Here are a series of links that give a historic context to these recent events in Italy.

Fascism and the Establishment in Italy: The stratergy of tension: 
 http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/freeearth/fe3_italy.html

When Neo-Fascists Storm Into Government (A Context for Genoa):
 http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/17/nov98/drake.htm

An Enemy of Democracy
Berlusconi has learned that it's more profitable to manipulate the parliamentary system than to overthrow it.
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4268224,00.html

The Relevance of Antonio Negri
 http://www.notbored.org/negri.html
What's missing from the usual biographies of Toni Negri is the charge that it took him far too long to come to the now commonly accepted conclusions that 1) the terrorist campaign inaugurated by the bombing of the Piazza Fontana in Milano on 12 December 1969 wasn't the work of either the far-left (the anarchists) or the far-right (the fascists), but the Italian secret services; and 2) this campaign -- now called "the strategy of tension" -- wasn't undertaken to destabilize or topple the government, but to provide a pretext for its most reactionary elements to strengthen themselves against an increasingly strong and effective working class movement. The situationist Gianfranco Sanguinetti came to these conclusions as early as 19 December 1969, when he published the extraordinary tract Is the Reichstag Burning?

Is the Reichstag Burning?
A Seminal Situationist text on 'tension strategy'.
 http://www.notbored.org/reichstag.html

DEadelvis@imc.irl

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evidence

21.03.2002 16:35

any evidence, or just the usual paranoia?

sceptic


Evidence

21.03.2002 17:28

It would appear there is no evidence on either side, that's why we need the debate and a thorough impartial investigation. Why not invite Amnesty International to do it?

As always in these circumstances the most relevant question is Qui Bono?

If the media isn't asking this question then it isn't doing its job.

agnostic


these are the times that make me wonder...

21.03.2002 20:49

.. if some conspiracy theorists are really just harmless paranoids, or whether they are actually serving a very useful role for the powers that be.

You see, the doubt that the timing of the murder could not be casual, being just a few days before the beginning of what is (was?)to be a month of expected social agitation in italy, just as has happened regularly like clockwork in the past 30 years, and therefore could be serving a few hidden interests, has been raised by many in italy (then again, I add, it is well known that a particularly nasty sort of leninist prefers to kill any movement that he knows he cannot lead, and therefore the BR in any case would not be behaving in a wholly unlogical way, given their putredescent logic).

However, you then read here about satanist stars (a graffiti that was actually etched weeks before the murder, it has quickly come to light), satanist hand signs from the crook berlusconi (see the hilarious linked article - as in, why do you actually bother talking about things if you patently understand nothing about them and actually think that the "horns" sign, used daily by millions of italians as a good-luck alternative to the slightly less publicly acceptable grasping of one's one testicles, is a satanist simbol), people murdered for body parts for satanic rituals (the Pacciani murders - a well known italian media trick to be dug-up whenever wanting to lead public attention away from political scandals), plus a few Elders-of-Sion things, though not in this specific instance (Child of Light has been known to spout them on Indy Italy, though in a "David Icke non-nazi" sort of way...).

And the natural reaction is to say "well, it must all be rubbish, including the part about the secret services having some involvement, active or passive, in letting the BR murder someone and therefore bring about a huge wave or repression and let's-all-stick-together-against-terrorism-and-forget-class-struggles in italy".

However, i am not paranoid, so I don't think anyone is paying the satanic-zionist-conspiracy mongers. I just think they are stupid people living sad little lives and missing the wood for the trees. But that's me...

mr bean


Here's your evidence

22.03.2002 12:24

Remember Genoa? Those letter bombs that were
sent to the police stations. Well even the green party
accused the secret state of planting them. This is
because of peoples experiences in the 70's and 80's
in Italy and the information coming out through
investigations and documents that the state were
behind a large percentage of so-called red brigade
actions. Look at Piazza fontana in milan were over
70 people were killed, it was blamed on anarchists
[it led to the arrest of guiseppe pinelli, an anarchist
who was later killed when he was thrown out from the top of a police station] it has now been proved that the
CIA and italian secret service orchestrated the attack.
Also in Bologna train Station in 1980, a bomb was
planted which killed over 80 people. It was initially
blamed by the state on the Red Brigades but it has
now been admitted that MI6 agent Robert Fiore with
the italian secret service was to blame. Robert Fiore
is the leader of the Neo-Nazi Forza Nouva who
organised in Genoa to infiltrate the Black Bloc.

read for your selves

Statewatch ‘Strategy of Tension’/Gladio (Italy) cuttings
 http://www.poptel.org.uk/cgi-bin/dbs2/statewatch?query=Gladio&mode=records&row_id=7255

Not particularly good short summary of Italian aspects of
 http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html

A Situationist view:
Sanguinetti’s Prefaces to On Terrorism and the State:
 http://www.notbored.org/italian-preface.html
 http://www.notbored.org/french-preface.html
Sanguinetti archive:
 http://www.notbored.org/sanguinetti.html
 http://www.notbored.org/reichstag.html
Guy Debord also:
 http://www.notbored.org/debord-preface.html
 http://www.notbored.org/commentaires.html

St Antonio Negri of Rebibbiia’s rather lame reflections on the period:
 http://www.en.monde-diplomatique.fr/1998/09/11negri
…and an okay(ish) critique
 http://www.notbored.org/negri.html

Statewatch archive on Belguim Gladio/ "Nijvel" gang/
"Brabant massacres":
 http://www.poptel.org.uk/cgi-bin/dbs2/statewatch?query=Gladio&mode=records&row_id=19305
 http://www.poptel.org.uk/cgi-bin/dbs2/statewatch?query=Gladio&mode=records&row_id=19229
 http://www.poptel.org.uk/cgi-bin/dbs2/statewatch?query=Gladio&mode=records&row_id=19156
 http://www.poptel.org.uk/cgi-bin/dbs2/statewatch?query=Gladio&mode=records&row_id=19129
 http://www.poptel.org.uk/cgi-bin/dbs2/statewatch?query=Gladio&mode=records&row_id=19046
 http://www.poptel.org.uk/cgi-bin/dbs2/statewatch?query=Gladio&mode=records&row_id=8508

UK Parliamentary question on Gladio Networks:
 http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-15/Writtens-8.html

The following material that is in varying degrees useful, but unfortunately not
available on line:

Bale, Jeffrey M., ‘Right-wing Terrorists and the Extraparliamentary Left in
Post-World War 2 Europe: Collusion or Manipulation’ in 'Lobster' (18) 1989.
 http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/issue18.htm
(Academic and liberal, but useful)

Christie, Stuart, 'Stefano Delle Chiaie: Portrait of a Black Terrorist'
(Anarchy, London, 1984)

Sanguinetti, Gianfranco, 'On Terrorism and the State' (London, 1982)

Willan, Philip, 'Puppet Masters: the Political Use of Terrorism in Italy',
(Constable, London, 1991)
(This book should be handled with care. See review by Larry O'Hara, ‘Blinded by
the Light’, in issue 23 of the British para-political magazine Lobster -
 http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/issue23.htm )

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Paranoid? Mr Bean

22.03.2002 19:10

It's common for the story to change when factual evidence initially presented, is soon found to be transparent nonsense or provide evidence of the main story that is being presented as a lie. I don't know where the evidence that that scratching had been made earlier comes from, but I wouldn't necessarily believe it anyway. The picture at the linked ridiculous posting comes from yesterdays guardian, and was subtitled as the symbol of the Red Brigades when it patently is not. No wonder the story changed!
My mistake was in not relating this all back to the story at the top of the thread which accuses P2. The scratched symbol is Masonic as well as satanic. P2 is of course the Freemason Lodge attached to the Vatican
Glad good ole Berlusconi was just giving a friendly wave.

dh