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MPs back hunting ban!

foxSake | 19.03.2002 00:49


MPs have overwhelmingly backed a ban on hunting with dogs.
Members were allowed a free vote on three different options - a ban, a compromise deal or to leave the law as it stands.
But in a Labour-dominated Commons the outcome never seemed in doubt.
In the end MPs voted by 386 to 175 for a ban - a majority of 211.
The previous two votes saw the status quo rejected by 401 votes to 154 and then the compromise deal by 371 to 169.
Prime Minister Tony Blair was among those who supported a ban, although it was indicated that the government overall preferred a compromise option - the so called middle way.
That involves a system of tighter controls to try and get round the impasse caused in the past by MPs voting for a ban and Lords voting against.
Before Monday evening's debate in Parliament, both pro and anti-hunting groups converged on Westminster to lobby MPs.
Leading anti-hunt campaigner, Labour MP Tony Banks, said that most foxes were killed on the roads and rejected the notion that hunting was an effective method of pest control.
"We would probably be better off issuing the hunts with four wheel drive vehicles," he said.
He insisted that when it came to hunting there could be no compromise.
"There is no middle way. You can't compromise on cruelty."
'Willing to compromise'
But Labour MP Kate Hoey insisted that foxes were vermin and controlling them with hounds was "the most natural way" to kill them.
"They may be slightly furrier and slightly more sexy than rats but they are vermin."
Former Conservative home office minister Ann Widdecombe rejected suggestions that those who opposed hunting were "anti-toff".
"Anti toff? Moi? I am one of the few people in this chamber who upheld the rights of hereditary peers to carry on in the House of Lords.
"My parents hunted and I like my parents very much indeed."
She went on to reject the argument that banning hunting would cost jobs asking whether society would hesitate to ban crime or ill-health because of what might happen to the jobs of police or nurses.
While former Tory leader William Hague contrasted the desire to ban the pursuit of hunting with bullying.
"It is because it can be picked upon and that is the hallmark of the bully throughout the ages," he said.
The Upper House will have their chance to vote on the three options on Tuesday but unless a compromise is reached between the Commons and the Lords, there will be a time-consuming battle between the two houses of parliament.
This could be damaging to the government's legislative programme and has persuaded some opponents of hunting, including Home Secretary David Blunkett, that the "middle way" was the best option.
The alternative is that the government could use the Parliament Act to force the bill through even if the House of Lords votes against it.
The votes this week are not binding and are intended to provide ministers with evidence to help them draft the legislative bill before Easter.
Protest
MPs voted for a ban when a hunting bill went before Parliament last year, but the legislation was dropped when the general election was called.
Anti-hunt campaigners now want exactly the same bill to be reintroduced.
The Scottish Parliament voted to ban hunting with hounds last month and it will probably become law later this year.
Hunting with hounds includes fox hunting, hare coursing and fox baiting.

foxSake

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state of the nation

19.03.2002 10:59

the UK today: People are dying while waiting for cancer treatment, public transport and education systems are collapsing, Blair is busy planning the next major genocidal war to impress his partner in the 'special relationship', civil liberties like the right to a lawyer or a fair trial have long been abolished (as soon as you're a 'terrorist' meaning anyone who acts on their refusal to the status quo), impunity gives small and big time crooks a free reign, government policies are sold to the highest bidder, aaahm ... donor (starting price £125'000 apiece), and what moves the hearts and minds of the good and righteous? fox hunting.
hello, is anyone at home?

pir


pir - So?

19.03.2002 12:08

Doesn't make fox hunting right though does it? If you're so bothered about those other things then maybe you should go and do something about them rather than hanging around here and whingeing....

johnnny_boy


Parliamentary time

19.03.2002 15:52

No I'd have to say, as much as I find the suffering of these foxes abhorrent, I'd much prefer the Commons was given time to debate military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

What kind of discussion was there before the attacks in Afghanistan went in, was there any sort of vote allowed?
How will it pan out wth the Iraq issue? With more and more Labour MP's speaking out and opinion polls showing the public is opposed, what is the chance Blair will actually listen to anyone?

He'll probably say we couldn't timetable a discussion on a war because of time devoted to a fox-hunting bill (not entirely serious).
But believe me guys - I DO oppose fox-gunting... it's just (for me) a matter of priorities

Ben


Same Old Story

19.03.2002 16:42

The only time I ever voted was when I was a niave young vegan, 18 years old, who believed that if Labour got in they'd ban foxhunting. 18 years later they're still pulling on the public's heart-strings...still bullshitting the people. We ain't gonna stop foxhunting until we have a wider, social CLASS WAR...til we've strung up the last Master of the Foxhounds with the entrails of the last New Labour MP.

Dawn Fox


Caring for YOUR enviroment

19.03.2002 19:01

...seems like some people are so obsessed by 'the war'they've completely forgotten about showing any compassion in thier own back yard!! Wake up,get real,suffering is all around you,not just'overseas'.

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20.03.2002 09:27

So you'd rather they talk about the war not fox hunting? You'd rather they give commons time to that? Wake up! Educate yourself! You might actually find out that the Commons discuss a lot of issues. Its just that hunting is on TV to cover the war. No matter how fucking stupid the government are, they're not so stupid to NOT discuss the war.
Look, everything needs to be debated sometime, and now is the time for hunting.
Animal and human liberation!

Spaniel
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