The quote about Socrates and Jesus is specious. Socrates' real crime wasn't what he was tried for, it was preaching a philosophy which helped lead to creatures such as Alkibiades and Kritias holding power. As it happened, an amnesty for all acts committed during that dictatorship was in effect, so the Athenians had to come up with some other pretext to try old Soc.

The rest of your argument looks like an attempt to paint non-conspiracist skeptics as somehow mentally deficient compared to the exalted true believers who are in the know.

Wrong. We just happen to demand evidence independent of the self-referential circularity of conspiracist Web sites and arguments untainted by popular logical fallacies.

Anyway, you merehumes can't see the real capital-C Conspiracy because your alien-manipulated genes always short-circuit your pathetic Pink brains.

We're talking metaphors here.

The writer of this interesting but utterly bogus article is at least being honest when he says:- "The seventh veil: I do not know what is behind the seventh veil. I think it is where your soul is evolved to the point you can exist on earth and be the man Ghandi was, or the woman Peace Pilgrim was-people so enlightened they brighten the world around them no matter what."

But this presents a severe logical problem because the concept of the "Seventh Veil" and those enlightened beings who have passed beyond it totally cancels out the paranoid and falsely combative bullshite laid out in the description of the previous six "veils".

This is essentially the point I have been trying to make to you before, with complete lack of success because your mind is so closed.

Think about it.

Compare the utterances of Ghandi or the Dalai Lama or Don Juan (as written by Carlos Castaneda) to to the evil paranoid garbage spouted by David Icke. Do you hear these enlightened beings denouncing ever mounting towers of conspiracy? NO!!

Fuck it man! The Dalai Lama's had his country raped and stolen by the Chinese and yet he is full of love for humanity!

I believe you are a sincere seeker of the truth. Please, I beg you, concentrate on what you understand to be the "Seventh Veil" and beyond, and free yourself from the trap of paranoia and hatred.

Then perhaps you will understand what I mean by "spiritual pollution" and you will cease to follow the ugly rantings of Icke and his fellow conspiracy nazis.

Namaste
(I honour the light within you).

This is more like it. The last link you posted was worringly lucid and logically self-consistent.

A million people are born then die just so one of them can think.That is the nature of things.

I love this kind of conspiracy stuff - it's like science fiction. It's complete fantasy, particularly the stuff about lizards. Why do people believe this? What evidence do they have? They might claim that there is a veil over my eyes, but anyone can use that as a tool of rhetoric.

I believe that the world is controlled by mutant tomatoes from Jupiter and no-one would believe me - well, David Icke might, if it earnt him some dough. I claim that the entire world was being kept in ignorance through insidious tomato-style imperialism - the spread of the tomato culture from its murky beginnings in the jungles of South America, spreading its tentacles (vines?) across the world through the surreptitious use of tomatoes in after-pub burgers, the alien ritual of Spaniards who engage in tomato fights once a year, the links between tomatoes and McDonald's relishes, the hijacking of Italian pizza bases by the masonic tomato barons, etc. Tomatoes can be implicated in the rise of fascism (Italy is the land of tomato-based dishes) and the death of Princess Diana (her last meal was bruschetta and insalate di tricolore).

These mind-control techniques prevent people from lifting the veil and recognising that tomatoes can not only give you botulism, but are corrupting the health, well-being and oneness of the universe through junk food and baked beans. Heinz is obviously a dark, evil capitalist tomato cult, linked to the devil and the death of Christ.

I can swear all I want that the tomato conspiracy is real and everyone else in the world is wrong. In being a minority of one, I feel a lot more important and am no longer a cog in the machine, fucked-up and paranoid, but a misunderstood spiritual leader, like Gandhi.

I'd love to respond to some comments here, much of the replies I agree with to some extent. But I think the burning of Yarls Wood and the Lofti Raissi affair are far more worthy of your consideration, in a conspiratorial context of course. It's coming home.