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IMC "EDITORS" SHOULD BAN SWP

Pix | 14.02.2002 10:00

Sm@sh Party Politics

Question: Would the so-called editors of this highly inmature news service allow Tony Blair space to tell us lies?
The SWP/GR (whatever!) is a political party, our would be oppressors, torturers, executioners. They are scum!
A lot of people who are genuinely concerned about the issues of world are also having to fight against these parasites who've come along and stolen all the good work people have been doing for years.
Guy Taylor wants to live in Tony Blair's house.
He will have the police beat you for demonstrating against his one party dictitorship. He will force you into the factory at gun point. He will sanction your disappearance should you appear to be a threat.
Treat them as you'd treat the Tories, Labour, Libs, Greens, etc etc etc...
So, I propose the editors of this service do something to prevent class-traitors like Taylor, Nynham etc from posting their lies here.
Seriously folks, if the Tories posted their manifesto here, wasting our prescious space and time, we'd be wanting it removing. The Trots are no different. No they aint. They are pro-capitalist authoritarians.
Check this: One of their number, Noel, recently said that "the working-class needs leaders."
Are you 'aving that!
Are we going to do what we say we do and reject party politics or are we going to bury our heads in the sand and accept murderers like Taylor?

Pix

Comments

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Yes Yes Yes

14.02.2002 10:03

Chin Chin pix, fuckin spot on!
I agree, we are supposed to be
rejecting party politics.
Yes, remove their murderous postings!

Leon

anti-anti

14.02.2002 10:27

IMC should ban non-news postings from its newswire and have a separate place for these discussions.

Daniel Brett
mail e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk

Get rid of them

14.02.2002 10:40

Oh yes, quite right too. Remove them. Just because they are authoritarian scum who would soon send their storm troopers around to your house like they did in Barcelona in 1937, or in the Soviet Union between 1917 and 1990 you want them banned. Outrageous suggestion. Just because they will use anyone and anything to push their putrid brand of party politics to the forefront, you want them banned. Terrible idea!
No, leave them where they are. Every time one of the shitheads comes on, it shows more people exactly what life would be like under their rule. THEIR workers certainly do need leaders because none of them have the wit or initiative to act alone or in small autonomous groups. Know your enemy, and know they are your enemy.

A Nonny Mouse

Yes and No

14.02.2002 11:12

I agree that the newswire is being used too much for chat discussion about SWP, but when there's so many people posting anti GR and anti SWP stuff to the newswire (which in my opinion shouldn't be there), why should they not be given a right to reply.

I think this post itself is a waste of newswire space and should have been added as a COMMENT.

The IndyMedia guidelines say and quote here:

"The Indymedia web site is a 'newswire' not a noticeboard for political parties, or any other hierarchically structured organization. While we struggle to maintain it as a completely open forum we do monitor and on occasions remove posts."

Which is pretty loose on the subject, but I imagine that's there to stop the greens and yes say the SWP for using the newswire to post lots of their own promotional material etc.
However look, neither GR or the SWP do this.

It's bloody everybody else posting items to the newswire slagging them off which is more of an abuse of the newswire.

As regards comments then people are free to write their own views, even if you disagree with them, I don't see the problem in that.

There's enough political discussion mailing lists and discussion boards around on the net, let's keep IndyMedia about news.

Pete

This should be removed

14.02.2002 12:07

This is a disgraceful post making allegations of murder. It has no place here. Anyway, when did you last see the people you refer to posting on Indymedia?

This just makes me sad and makes me realise too many people have time on their hands and do nothing with it. If you were out in the streets or fields or whatever, resisting and creating sustainable alternatives you wouldn't get so bothered about this.

Yes, so there's considerable political differences, but my god, if you people put as much effort and thought and time into trying to be productive and actualy do things then this debate would be redundant.

SWITCH OFF YOUR PC GO DO SOMETHING MORE INTERESTING INSTEAD

(and that goes for you mac users too)

get active

IMC "EDITORS" SHOULD BAN CRAP

14.02.2002 12:10

IMC "EDITORS" SHOULD BAN CRAP
IMC "EDITORS" SHOULD PAN CRAP
IMC "EDITORS" SHOULD PAT CRAP
IMC "EDITORS" SHOULD BAT CRAP

get the point?

nuskool

Agree

14.02.2002 12:13

I know there is a lot of feeling about this topic, but the newswire is about news really. And wht add a new story rather than add a comment. IMC editors should ban SWP/GR,, I don't htink so IMC should ban political party propaganda on an individual basis of each article and yes maybe a debate area should be put up but as was said there are other places for this. Some of the comments are just rants without ant constructiveness.

Yes it is a subject worth discussing but the energy to right up...they are scum etc could have been used to write a story, or at least o write a more analysis. In anycase how can the IMC editors just ban SWP/GR? Without any form of debate in the whole sphere. We are all responsible for IMC so We should work to try to post news in my humble opinion.

Sceptic

yep

14.02.2002 12:28

totally agree Pix, the SWP are counter-revolutionaries :)

jimmer

cough splutter!

14.02.2002 13:55

I'm stunned. So now the 'anti-authoritarians' want to start banning people from IMC?

I came on here in good faith. I've tried to follow the rules and post only news, and a few brief comments, mostly links for more info. And I'd hoped some of these might have been interesting or useful.

Yet I've been subject to continual abuse, just because I admit to being in the SWP. And now you want to ban me.

Do you really find our ideas so scary?

internationalist
Homepage: http://www.swp.org.uk

cough, splutter

14.02.2002 16:03

I'm stunned. So now the 'anti-authoritarians' want to start banning people from IMC?

I came on here in good faith. I've tried to follow the rules. I've posted news, and some relevant comments, usually links for more info. I'd hoped some of these might be interesting or useful.

Yet I've been subject to continual abuse, just because I admit to being in the SWP. And now you want to ban me?

Are our ideas really so scary?

internationalist
Homepage: http://www.swp.org.uk

SWP-bashing

14.02.2002 16:35

I'm rather tired of this constant SWP-bashing. There are some important issues about the SWP that need to be discussed, but I've come to realise that indymedia isn't the best place to do this - at least not on the newswire. The appeal to ban postings from the SWP is ludicrous and I doubt whether the IMC collective would even countenance doing this. It is most definately fascistic behaviour to deny people you suspect of being a part of a particular group the right to speak their mind. There evidently needs to be a forum on Indymedia for these discussions, as these debates are unlikely to be continued elsewhere on newsgroups, etc. I think a separate, open discussion area should be set up and that the newswire should be edited to ensure that only news appears. If SWP-bashing continues on the newswire, it will cease to be a tool for activists to publish their activities and will fast become a noticeboard for ranters.

Daniel Brett
mail e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk

Er, NO ban on SWP please

14.02.2002 16:52

Against censorship, and for the power of criticism.

The IMC format has been very well designed, so that any mildly dubious or controversial groups postings will be greeted with a deluge of criticism. no one gets hurt, and the original author is forced to see his / her statement held up to rigorous debate, which is obviously a source of embarrassment for groups such as the SWP. Everybody learns something from the experience.
Clearly anything irrelevant or highly noxious should be cut, but this should be a reserve measure used only with great reluctance.

SWP hater

THE DEEPER QUESTION REMAINS

14.02.2002 17:06

What social forces have enabled a group like the SWP to achieve such an oligarchical dominance over the independent left ? yes, we're right to be concerned about it, for its policy of supporting Labour at all costs is misplaced and dangerous. John Pilger noted in an underreported speech last year to the LSA that what New Labour is doing now is a sort of unfinished business begun by OLD Labour back in about 1977

D Sposa- Balincom

C'mon people!

14.02.2002 17:08

Glad to see some good replies to this shite post.

Posts like this calling for exclusion should themselves be removed - it's pretty clear what's going on here.

Things should be judged on a case by case basis.

If an swp member wants to write up a demo, or their story that's fine.

If anyone starts posting swp recruitment literature that's a different matter really and should not be allowed.

I do not like the swp myself but have shed blood alongside swp members in the streets and will defend their individual right to speak.

Sopecific party political promotion on the other hand is out.

Origins of the Present Crisis

14.02.2002 17:25

Well, that was a title of a remarkable work by Perry Anderson in 1964, to be found in New Left Review No. 23.
Already at that point Anderson (now a professor in UCLA) had detected a serious flaw in how the British left saw its own history and may have misjudged the entire political edifice. I still maintain it to be one of the most important single works ever to have appeared in a British left wing journal. The howls of denuciation it provoked at the time attest to its power. "what crisis ?" the over -confident Labour left demanded to know. Perhaps its now emerging in full form with the SWP clearly heading for the moons of Saturn ?

D Sposa Balincom
Homepage: http://www.newleftreview.net

Removed

14.02.2002 19:24

This post has been removed because it is not news - We are getting too many comments posted as stories at the moment - and they will be removed .

Once again Indymedia is a newswire and not a bulletin board for personal insult.

Tony
one of imc uk collective

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