Wonderful, I love them!!!
Thank you.

Am I alone in finding any praise of violence to be utterly abhorrent, and in thinking that this sort of thing lowers anti-fascists to the level of their opponents? The people who did this and reported it in these terms are no comrades of mine.

Don't particularly like quoting Hitler, but this is a very useful quote:

‘Only one thing would have stopped our movement--if our adversaries had understood its principle and, from the first day, had smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement.’
ADOLF HITLER

British Nazis were about equivalent in strength with French Nazis at the end of the 1970s. In the UK, the anti-nazi tactic was to confront them directly, stop them from marching, by force if necessary. In France they used peaceful tactics. The UK nazis all but disappeared, they were smashed, unable to organise, looked pathetic because they were beaten each time they tried to meet(I know they are coming back now, and we need to smash them again) the French nazis flourished, winning laods of support, credibility, council elections etc.

Violence against nazis in in no way equivalent to the violence they want to perpertrate.

I agree totally with vincent.
How do you propose we deal with Nazis then laura? I cant see talking to them achieving much

'The only good fascist is a very dead fascist' - Propagandhi

We should hold hands with them and sing, maybe bake a cake, and whinge about how the spikeys have made the government ban free parties

Fantastic operation Compantrioatas.Though it seems a towel n' some yellow stained undies that belonged to the nazis were left behind as they were in such a hurry to pick them! One old woman has volunteered to hand the to the police! Damn, they're very pathetic made in Oushnazi!

I agree totally with vincent. There is no way that in this world that there can exist both Nazis and anarchists side by side. We will give them a strong and viciuos fight at every corner and every street. If someone thinks that pacifism for the sake of pacifism is going to scare them away of change them than that person really needs to check informations about their rallys and actions in germany, italy, france etc. Those bastards dont know any other way than force and what was done in England it has to be done everywere.
Violence and revolution is just first step towards better world. You cant dance your way into revolution.
Thats just the way world is working!

Revolution now!

I'm also totally unimpressed by this kind of macho chest-beating. Call me a fluffy if you like, but meeting violence with violence is EXACTLY the kind of thing that America/Britain/NATO is doing in Afghanistan, and the kind of thing that states have been doing for millenia. HOw do we stop the Nazis otherwise? Address the problems that they feed off, engage them in debate, expose their ideas for the unfounded racist nonsense that they are. Do you really think anyone will be impressed by two groups of thugs beating each other up? I'm certainly not.

Matt

What happened in Penn wasn't macho bullshit. It was rightfull reaction to gathering of racist, facist group in the broad daylight.
My question to Matt is has he ever tried to talk to nazi? How can you expect to destory such ideas with nothing more than debate?
That is non involement approach and it was tried before second world war and sorry to say it wasn't successful! When nazi occupied Sudets in Chech republic nobody did anything and they got out with it. When they continued with Anshluss of Austria no body reacted and they just kept on going. When they were engaged in spanish civil war with their Kondor unit nobody did nothing about and world left sapnish people to struggle alone against three fascist states. That non involement left spanish people with 40 year long fasist prison wich ended after Francos death, ad brought world into pretty bloody conflict we like to call Second world war.
And not even to mention non involement of most of germans during deportation to nazi death camps almost every jewish man, woman and child. Do you think they would appreciate more active role from other germans?

What is happening in france today especially southern part of it has some of the same factors. No reaction to facist propaganda and rally just gave them stronger positions from wich they can spread their poison more effectivly. Some thing happened to Austria and their Haider. If people had reacted more violently and organised as groups and confronted them when they havent had that kind of public support as they do now this situation (in France and Austria) wouldn't never happened.

And last but not least when nazi charge us with bats and chaines should we just run or stand ground and fight?
If they ever thoguht you are scared of them they will always charge you when ever they can. And if you just debate with them thats precisely what they'll think.

So again i say - Fight nazis and facist where ever when ever and kick them away forever!

The irony is that anarchists claim in the utopia of the future, everything will be decided by consensus and direct democracy. Apparently, what this means is that if you disagree with the hardcore balaclava crew, they'll beat the shit out of you. Given the choice between the fucked-up status quo and the rule of the violent anarchist mob, I'll take the status quo, thank you very much.

You claim, on the one hand, that your utopian society is possible and necessary because people can get along without violence, the police, the state, etc.; on the other hand, you yourselves can't get on without violence.

Bunch of fucking hypocrites.

chris

Here we go again! The fluffy liberal middle-class tosser tendency having a go at people who are having a go at these fascist shitheads. What would YOU have us do? Wave yellow lollipops at them and chant slogans? Piss off. The fluffies are our real enemy. There is hope that these younger working class fascists might come around to seeing how wrong they are as they become nore aware of who really is screwing them. Theres no hope for fluffy rich kids though. I'd just as soon nut a fluffy as a fascist to be truthful.

Here we go again indeed! I post criticism - not the nicest criticism, perhaps, but nevertheless - and what is the response? Threats of violence! Is that all you know how to do? Have a good ruck?

Might makes right, right? I think you should form a 'Black Bloc of Truth', which roams around looking for people who disagree with you. Then you can beat them up.

chris

Oh, don't mention it. Now get back to your lentil dip, hippy.

With all due respect to pacofism, the strict pacifsm no matter for what costs brought us here in this social garbage of society. Violence isnt always the answer and no anarchist is gonna claim that is, but sometimes if you want to protect your ideas (and not just ideas but your life sometimes) you have to take mattters into your own hands.
Attacka on ordinary citizens by the nazi and facists are every day occurenca and what would you do about that? Just close your eyes and pretend that it's happening somewhere else and to someone else?

In this social struggle ( i hope we can agree it's social struggle) against inequalites we are in constant state of slavery brought on to us by capitalists, state and their mobs, and we have legitimate right do defend ourself even with violence if necessery to change that and to liberate ourself. Direct action is the only self-liberating process and we shoudn't walk away from it.

You question our social ideas of future society and you call us hypocrits beacuse we refuse to lay down, but can i ask you something what are you when you are ready with your so called tollerance approach to close your eyes on injustice?
Do you even know what nazi ideology stands for?
Have you had somenone killed or injured by them?
Don't talk to me about tollerence to nazi and facists cause you dont have first clue what they stand for and what are they prepared to do to make their ideas a reality.
We do not fight every different idea that appears, our enemys are very well known, and if you think that nazi ideology is just another idea than their is something seriously wrong with your human values.

Smash the nazis!

I think an aus rotten quote is appropriate here, "Don't give em freedom cause they won't give you yours fuck nazi sympathy" Kill everlast nazi until they no longer exist(or change their minds). Right on to the anarchists that take on nazi scum directly

i see this and wonder one thing....... what kind of anarchist starting to smash up a truck with 10 friends while there is only one nazi in it.
what kind of anachist start to smash up the truck of a nazi becouse he is a nazi
What kind of socialist accapt voilence against nazi and doesn't accapt voilence against people with an other political opinion.
i am an anarchist an i realy dislike fascist's but i would never use voilence against them withou a damn good reason, i would never use voilence without a damn good reason anyway.
couse i dont belive in the fact that voilence solves everything.
and i think it's almost just as bad to say that you can use voilence against someone becouse you don't agree with his political opinion, then have the political opinion to hate people becouse of what colour they are and where they are born. it's both dicousting

and dont get upset by this replay but think what kind of non intelectual reaction it is to say it's ok to use voilence becouse I THINK that his political opinion is bad.

after reading this replay dont think iam a nazi, couse iam really not, but i am for equality for all people.
ALL people and olso for the one's who can understand how importand that is i give them olso respect....until they prove that they dont deserve it. and i dont see that on the photograph

greetz wessel