Nothing like the old left-wing adage 'My enemy's enemy is my friend'. Why are people so quick to jump to the defence of this Fascist? Remember Bin Laden is an enemy of Saudi Arabia not because he wants democracy, freedom, etc., but because, for him and his band of fundamentalist-fascist loonies, Saudia Arabia is not fundamentalist enough! It is all reminiscent of the Gulf War.

Of course, I do not condone military action of any kind, and I am wholly opposed to this and all wars, but let's not get too sentimental about the other side. Bush, Blair and Bin Laden are all different aspects of the same thing: oppression, domination and exploitation. I do not trust Blair, Bush, the CIA, MI5 and so on, but I cannot understand this rush of 'the Left' to excuse and/or explain away the horrendous crime against humanity in September ... All I can say is take care: by opposing one side, do not give the impression you support the other.

Strange bedfellows indeed.

I'm not so sure that this is about being apologists for Bin Laden... I think the more important point is - if this video is a fake then what does it say about the cynical manipulation of peoples feelings that is going on... Obviously such propaganda war fans the fires of hatred and spirals the world into more of the same...
There is so much of what has happened that reeks of something more deeply sinister than most of us realise and that force whatever it is wants us all to fall down with it into hatred.
Don't buy into it in any shape or form.

Regardless who sent the planes, the US government did not let defense jets intercept the third one, which hit the pentagon. Forty minutes had lapsed between the second WTC hit and the pentagon hit.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff planned terrorist acts on America in 1962, and that is proven and documented. We are seeing more deja vu. They held the defense jets back to justify war. Can you imagine the kickbacks they get from defense contractors?

Wake up, people in D.C. are so corrupt that they ooze evil.

America needs a full scale revolution with sacking of the capital and a french style revolution treatment with our King, King George, and the entire senate and house. Off with their heads. We can start anew. (This broadcast does not advocate violence, is for metaphorical approximations only, and the author can not be held responsible for any actions of any true Americans like those of 1776 who ambushed the former US governmental power, and decaptiated them.)

The idea that the third airliner could be intercepted is pure phantasy. First, you have to identify it. Then you have to scramble aircraft. They do not sit on the runway with engines burning. Fourth, you actually have to catch it, and given it's flying at Mach 0.8 that's not going to be easy. Fifth, what happens if you shoot it down over some suburb (cf Lockerbie). Sixth - imagine the uproar if you gor the wrong one. Another 300 dead ....

sceptic

Was bin Laden hit by a Daisy-cutter? His nose has shrunk and his forehead is shorter in the video. But somehow his beard remained unscathed.

This is not about the left jumping to the defence of our enemy's enemy - this is about getting to the truth of the events of September 11th. There are just too many inconsistencies with the official version of events - so many infact, that they can no longer remember what line they fed us in the past. Take for instance, Dubya's recent story about how he reacted when he was told about the aircraft crashing into the first tower ("was I in the classroom? Er, no, I was outside - I was watching TV in the hallroom; er, no, I was inside when I was told - shit, what was I doing? Oh damn, I've said it now"). Now, nothing is easier to remember than the truth, so why is it so hard to get at it.

The point I'd like to make is that why are they still trying to prove to us that bin Laden did it? Surely, they launched a war based on what they told us was proof - the 20 or so points that Blair presented to the House of Commons back in October were meant to be all the proof that was needed to commit British troops to terrorising the people of Afghanistan and to give Britain's full support to the US. If they were convinced of the original proof themselves, this latest video would not even get a look-in. They know that they are treading on such thin ice that they have to use every means possible to get us all to fall in line and support their phoney war.

Bin Laden has denied all responsibility in the past - why would he suddenly change his mind and conveniently leave a crap video laying around that goes against all of that? I've spent £200 on a camcorder and it comes out with better pictures and sound than that even on tapes used 5 times. This guy's meant to be a millionaire and he can't get hold of a decent video recorder?!? Why was it not released when they supposedly found it back at the beginning of November - if it was the final proof, then how come it took so long to get ready, oops, I mean out?

F16's, F15's and other interceptor's fly at Mach 2+ - they are meant to intercept otherwise they'd use Jumbos or something - "er, excuse me, are you okay up there - seen you veer off course and just wondering if everything's alright - er, please don't go in that direction, that's not allowed; oh okay then, not going to listen, well that's fine then, we'll just leave you to it just in case we pick up the wrong plane; oh, and please don't hit the Whitehouse, the President lives there you know - wonder if they'll listen..." The squadron is based 10 miles from the Pentagon and had at least 45 minutes to scramble - "um, 10 miles in 45 minutes at Mach 2, er, might be tight Sir, you know it takes 15 minutes to get our kit on, 15 minutes to walk to the plane, 15 minutes to warm up the engines, by which time, well damn Sir, we just won't make it - sorry Sir, but there's no point even trying".

So, I don't buy the video, I don't buy the failed interception, I don't buy the inconsistencies, I don't buy Blair's 20 points for bombing Afghanistan - now what's left, oh yes, wasn't there something about an oil pipeline...

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