you sound full of peace and love dont you.

When we are at war with three quarters of the planet and more hell bent on torturing,brutallising,imprisoning and eventually'consuming'animalkind.
The message of love is in the statement that animals like every other weaker group of sentient beings,be it 'under developed' nations , disabled peoples and all of those that cannot fight back against thier oppressors are ALL part of a global liberation policy that we hold close to our hearts.
Like we said above,if you take part in the brutallisation,imprisonment,torture and consumption of those that cannot fight back,lay down your claims that you are involved in any kind of 'peace'movement,save your cheap comments,they will not help our goals toward peace,freedom and equallity on this planet.

I'm veggie verging on vegan, right, and I agree that it is loathsome to treat any creature with cruelty and unearned disrespect (tho I might kill in self-defence and to avoid starvation...but that's another argument). thing is, I used to go round angry at everyone about their meat eating, drawing attention constantly to the contradictions and the gory truths - and alienating a lot of my family and friends. they didn't want ot be round me, and i didn't persuade a single one to go veggie.

getting older and chilling out a bit, as a rule I still won't sit down with them as they eat dead things, but I'm able to slip out the nasty truths about what they're eating (and who they're paying to do so) at appropriate moments, also I stay friendly enough to cook people lots of lovely organic fair trade cruelty free food, and gradually, gradually, as if by magic, the amount of meat that several of my family and friends eat has gone down.

Of course i can't claim full responsibility, and I wish they'd cut it out altogether but I know they like me better than they used to and they listen to me more about this and other issues than they would if I said I hoped they choked....

just an observation in the spirit of good will to all beings

cheers

I am also veggie going on vegan, eat as much so called organic food as possible, another mug. GM soya ?, who knows, I don't trust what it says on the packets.

Like zedhead I keep myself to myself and don't preach to meat eaters, draw the line at entering Mac D's.
The mad cow and other related scandals has done a lot to put people off meat. You would get a better response if instead of going for the dramatic headlines, you listed the methods used to rear the turkeys. I under stand that with intensive chicken farming, broilers?, the whole process takes 41 days,
which is less than half what it took a few years ago.
The birds are fed on disgusting high protein chemical feed.

Rather than saying hope you choke on it, you could be saying to people, be carefull you don't catch MTD Mad Turkey Desease which seeing as the health and safety inspectors are
in the meat idustries pocket, is always on the cards.

I'm pretty sure that mac libel mailed something interesting on the subject last week ...

As the human death machines relentlessly plunders on and on whether in war or in the abbatoir , wherever blood is spilt , I feel a need to speak out - even if i risk the outcome of 'people' disagreeing with my views and the horrific tragic prospect of them 'not liking me'.

peace to all.

Use ur headz.:)

there ya go

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25th November

The first article (below) from The Observer newspaper exposes the outrageous conditions for UK factory farmed chickens raised for McDonald's and the meat industry generally. The second article is about the banning of an informative TV advert about these very conditions: described by the commentator as 'the most pressing animal welfare issue in Britain'.

800 million chickens each year are crammed into grim disease-ridden broiler sheds (with an average space each of less than an A4-size piece of paper), unnaturally fattened up suffering leg injuries as a result, and killed after only 41 days. The birds are reduced to mass-produced meat machines to boost
the profits of the companies involved, like McDonald's.

This is despite the damning McLibel High Court judgment in 1997 against McDonald's for being 'culpably responsible for animal cruelty' which particularly condemned the suffering involved in broiler production.

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i like to eat meat and I'm not going to have someone stand between me and a nice juicy rare steak. sod MacDs. sod factory farming. but give me a nice, fresh free range turkey and im in heaven.
so whatcha goin' to do about that then? burn my house down? kill my children? bash up my boyfriend? will you put meateaters like me in a slaughterhouse or just incarcerate us?
i will go on eating meat. and the more people try to stop me the more i'll do it.
snort, snort.