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will usa become 4th reich?

anonymous | 19.11.2001 19:40

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All i see are indications that the USA is becoming an ultra-nationalist regime, with a possible psycopath up front.
Will the muslims be the new final solution?
Will attacks against parlimentary countries occur in the following years?
what do you guys think?

anonymous

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Yes, already well on the way there

19.11.2001 19:59

There was a long thing being put out about US ministry of Home Security or whatever it is called training up soldiers and National Guard for checkpoints.

It isn't really about freedom of movement where it starts so much as freedom of thought, eg the Katie Sierra case.

Something similar is happening with Britain and all the Draconian Powers shite, racist asylum laws, abolition of the right to trial, double jeopardy and right to silence, etc etc etc. Email and telephone tapping powers.

We see it in the schoold with all the SAT tests, where kids are taught the stress of competing and buying into the system as young as 5 or 7. All this has to be challenged.

Conformity.

Juke Djordan


Nein

19.11.2001 21:33

Nein
Nein

six


the aim is the world as the 4th Reich

19.11.2001 22:23

With its very own Reichstag fire to open the final Act,many of the elite players, most but by no means all from the US and UK, will come into the open to establish world dictatorship. George Jr is not so much psychopath as an unfortunate and controlled idiot offspring of the powerful dad, and consider his very sinister brother. Dubya will only be around long enough to do the damage.Blair is brighter though self obsessed, but has Mandelson with his hands up his passage tweaking the controls (figuratively).
What a wierd trio we have at the forefront of this criminal government at this time - Blair, Short and Blunkett - three black witches - who'd have thought it 5 years ago.
Watch out for those identity cards, once they filter through from refugee status to the general population. If they're smart, chipped items and double up as credit/debit cards then we know we're in deep trouble and probably past the point of resistance. Let's keep on resisting this agenda and its horrible outcomes, and expose these bastards for what they are.

dwight heet


4th Reich? No

19.11.2001 23:02

I don't understand the reference to the Reichstag fire. Are you suggesting that the crashing of the iarcraft was carried out by the US authorities? If so, quote some reliable evidence for this libel.

sceptic


where's your scepticism?

19.11.2001 23:43

Where you been this last couple of months, sceptic? You mean you really accept this pile of horseshit that's been presented as evidence for a never-ending war on some level with up to 60 nations.
Evidence - the most concrete is the insider dealing in put options in American Airlines, United Airlines, companies within the WTC and insurers in the days leading up to the atrocity, netting those involved tens of millions in dollars, with $5m left unclaimed on the NY stock exchange - all brokered by a firm connected to CIA 3rd in command Director Buzzy Krongard.(copvcia.com) And do you really believe all that shit about Cessna and flight simulators, korans and flight training manuals being left in hired cars,harddrinking lapdancing islamic terrorists, passports appearing out of infernoes,baggage for the suicide run somehow not making it to the hold and containing last will and instructions for islamic suicide missions. This highly sophisticated mission controlled from an Afghan cave, and with no response from air traffic control, an hour or more before fighters take off. Tell me you dont believe this crap! I'm sure you're intelligent and a sceptic!

dwight heet


Unequivocably

19.11.2001 23:50

YES!
RESIST NOW!

Carlos Malvado


What must be done

20.11.2001 01:10

Move out of Babylon, the system wants to crush your soul. Don't conform to laws designed to oppress and kill you. Take back your freedom or die a slave.

Wallace


And there's more

20.11.2001 01:57

There's loads more - consider how those towers collapsed. The second one struck - the south tower came down first. Even tho the supposed factor in the collapse - the burning payload of jet fuel had exploded over the Manhatten skyline in televisuaal beauty in advance because the airplane had struck at the corner, whilst payload number 1 had gone dircetly into a storey, They both crumpled directly into a heap.Reports of explosions beforehand by many credible witnesses are ignored. The straight story is ignored - dynamited controlled demolition. The SF story is more far fetched - that a beam or pulse weapon was deployed- turning concrete and steel into dust alomg with flesh and bone, which would account for the small particles of tissue left for the investigators. See it for what it is! sisters and brothers. This is no small story and needs outing!

dwight heet


A few quibbles

20.11.2001 07:32

First, the term "4th reich" would really literally refer to a fourth GERMAN Empire, so unless we're expecting another outbreak of furor teutonicus, a better title would be "Will the USA become an uninhibitedly aggressive fascist dictatorship?" (And, would that be a change big enough to be noticeable?)

Second, the conspiracy devotees whose gospel it is that the WTC towers "must have been" demolished by explosives might find it interesting to take a look at:

 http://www.mie.uiuc.edu/content/files/collapse.asp

Where a failure analysis by Prof. Tom Mackin of the University of Illinois at Urbana can be found. Mackin set out to ask the question "what happens if a floor or floors of a skyscraper drop onto lower floors?", putting it in the form of "A given mass falls a given distance and lands on a structure having a given stiffness. How far will the structure deflect, and will the deflection exceed the breaking strain of the rest of the structure?"

It's only a first-order approximation, in terms of classical mechanics-classical enough that even an electronics guy like myself can understand the math. Nevertheless, any meaningful contention that the fall of the towers was not the result of a chain of structural failures will need to be supported in the same terms- that is, it must refute the existing model of the collapse either by demonstrating specific errors in the analysis, or by demonstrating that a more accurate model gives different results. Simple assertions without support from physics aren't going to cut it here.

No doubt a lot of engineers have been overworking their FEA packages trying to simulate the fall in more detail. Unfortunately, the chances are that their results will be published, if published, in specialized professional publications.

Who'll be the first to demonstrate the workability of their own model on an open forum like Indymedia?

Silas Phelps


don't think so

20.11.2001 10:03

us american society will prove strong enough to resist any long-term violation of liberties (inside!!!). I am rather concerned about europe with fascist governements in austria, italy, with labour/social democrats like blair/schröder, and just look @ danemarks election campaign...

O5stef


don't think so

20.11.2001 10:03

us american society will prove strong enough to resist any long-term violation of liberties (inside!!!). I am rather concerned about europe with fascist governements in austria, italy, with labour/social democrats like blair/schröder, and just look @ danemarks election campaign...

O5stef


Unelected dictator in the White House

20.11.2001 17:03

Big difference between current US situation and Third Reich - Hitler was voted in by a majority; Bush was not (as final election results revealed this week).

Herewegoagain


pedantry (with a point)

20.11.2001 17:53

The Nazis never won a majority of votes in a national election until AFTER Hitler was appointed Chancellor. The Nazis could have been stopped if the anti-fascist and democratic forces had taken them seriously and stopped fighting each other.

And here's the point; whatever tendencies there are towards totalitarianism or fascism in our societies, they are NOT inevitable. We CAN defend our freedoms, if we organise in a serious and united way.

internationalist


Rome Didn't Fall in a Day

25.11.2001 04:03

Rome Didn't Fall in a Day
Rome Didn't Fall in a Day

re: "...the fourth reich would mean another German..."
The pretorian guard ran the empire in the final days. Similarly, remnants of the 3rd Reich recruited by the O.S.S., (precursor to the C.I.A.) have been running the American Democracy Show since November 23, 1963.

So, the Fourth Reich IS (NAZI)German inspired. Ever notice all those teutonic surnames in the halls of U.S. power. Coincidence...?

Render unto Bushy what is Bushy's

Pretor