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igloo | 31.10.2001 19:48

American news agencies are like hollywood scripts.. they are CRAP!

what are good news agencies to follow? Uk have any?

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31.10.2001 23:12

well here's a bit of a read for you, from UK scources..
Subject:
PEPIS #33 - The USA: Most Terrorist State in the World
Date:
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:51:54 +0000
From:
Tony Gosling
To:
 elites@occult.com



Introduction
1. War on Terrorism or War on Truth?
2. Lawsuit filed against Kissinger for war crimes
3. September 11th premonition (!)
4. US Government's Terrorist Training Camp - Will We Bomb the USA?
5. Humour: "Come on Mr. Taliban - Turn over Bin Laden"
6. Assasins Versus Crusaders?

Welcome to the latest PEPIS bulletin.
This edition is predictably focussed on the bloodletting currently being

performed by the USA alliance of one (very few even in the UK military or the Labour party think this war can achieve anything) in Afghanistan.
Just after the so-called war started I did a revamp of the
www.bilderberg.org website. It now includes pages on information warfare, human genetics, the CIA infiltration of the post-war European Arts scene, interference with my snailmail, the Bank of International Settlements etc.
etc. But don't hold your breath, just after the last PEPIS was sent outback in August the bilderberg website along with www.mathaba.net wastaken out for a day or so.
If this happens again we'll try and sort it out quickly. Please be patient and come back to check it out in an hour or two. Here's looking forward to the party the day they announce this senseless bombing has stopped.

See  http://www.stopwar.org.uk and  http://www.mwaw.org for many good antiwar links
Tony G


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1. War on Terrorism or War on Truth?
Tony Gosling - 31Oct01

The attack on the One World Financial Centre (WTC) was no great surprise to many of us. It's easy to be wise after the event but a 'spectacular' waspredicted by so-called conspiracy theorists as a pretext for more interventionism. In the aftermath why haven't the attacks on Kabul been
covered live on our TV screens? Why haven't whole sections of the insides of newspapers been given over to the ruinous images Afghan photographersare snapping this morning?

'Self-harming' was planned by the CIA in the sixties to provide a pretext for the Cuba invasion. (see
 http://www.bilderberg.org/boneswar.htm#02Mar01 ) Many believe Kennedy was assasinated for resisting that US military
planfor the invasion of Cuba. If Mossad or the CIA sponsored the S11 attack we may never know because that considerable likelihood cannot be raised.Even discussing the possibility might embarass the military in time of war. A Catch 22 to beat them all.

But it's the rejection by the US State Department of the Taliban's offer to hand Bin Laden over for trial in a neutral country that gives the game away. The US elite don't want justice. The military, industry and the geostrategic planners, to justify their own existence, want war. Some
might say in the curent economic climate they need a war. They treat the world

stage as a poker table. Wher you have to use bluff and up the stakes to survive.

This so-called war has already acted as a convenient cover for the invasion of Palestine by the Isreali army, the dismantling of domestic civilliberties and countless other totalitarian moves. How convenient thatthis war has no specific objective. The military have an endless list of
bogey-men that they can persue one after another justifying a
never-endingwar. If we are passive or cynical enough to let them.

Many of those who died in the twin towers were not in every sense 'innocent' either. Through poverty, starvation, lack of education, IMFStructural Adjustment Programmes and sanctions, economic warfare is killing millions of people every year. The World Bank and IMF have been beating the South back into the stone age for decades now and the financial speculators
in the World Trade Centre (The One World Financial Centre) must bear some responsibility for helping enforce this cowardly New Financial Order of death by debt. Yes, many of those who died in New York were responsible for
reinforcing grotesque opulence in the west and grinding poverty in the South. Spending, that is gambling, vast sums of money on whatever will generate a profit, anywhere in the world, regardless of the human consequences.
The problem comes when you realise some of the greatest profits come from war. People will borrow any amount of money at any interest rate to fight a war. Financial dealers and bankers think nothing of lining the pockets of both sides in a conflict especially when the victor honours the debts of
the vanquished.

This 'war on terrorism' is phoney. Most of the world's terrorists are trained and sponsored by the covert operations arms of western governments. Particularly embarrassing is the sheer scale of the US terrorist training programme (see article below). MI5 whistleblower David Shayler has pointed
out the UK government's foreign intelligence arm MI6 launced a (thankfully) botched attempt to kill Colonel Gadaffi.

Interference by crumbling and sham democracies such as the EU, UK and USA in the affairs of other countries must come under the spotlight. Current

efforts to make the Zimbabwe economy 'scream' and destabilise elections invite terrorist retaliation. Incidents like the arrest and humiliating trial for war crimes of democratically elected Serbian President Milosevich also. Ex MI6 officer, Richard Tomlinson, revealed MI6 were planning Milosevic's assassination.
The terrorists in MI6 must be brought to trial before our government starts throwing its weight around and pontificating on the subject.

Will Henry Kissinger, who ordered the assassination of democratic Chilean general Rene Schneider in 1970, be hanging his head like Milosevic as he walks into the world criminal court? (see  http://www.bilderberg.org/kissing.htm ) The sooner the better. He's a grave danger to humanity walking the streets (or tearing round the world at breakneck speed) and must be put on trial without delay. Why? Because just
last night he was keynote speaker at the Centre for Policy Studies in London. One of the primary 'think-tanks' for developing British government policy.

And as the press does its best to untangle the wreckage of the September 11th attacks it will do well to examine closely its relations with the I-OPS department of British Military Intelligence.

I-OPS department boasted to whistleblower David Shayler, while he was working for MI5, they had 'a spy in every newsroom in Britain'. I-OPS helps vet, unbeknowns to candidates, all employees of the BBC as well as handling
'friendly' reporters and editors such as Dominic Lawson and 'diplomatic' and 'intelligence' correspondants. I-OPS builds up a relationship of trust by feeding reporters exclusive stories from their privileged knowledge of cabinet/military briefs and the intelligence gathered by GCHQ. Real scoops
as well as smears are fed to the press. Craving the cudos guillible hacks lap the sweet up with the sour and regurgitate it all for public consumption.
But these cozy relationships with journalists come into their own in wartime when outright lies, designed to bring the public in behind the war and/or trick the enemy, get presented as fact. And it is precisely in wartime that journalists sucked into this I-OPS dance of death, those
doing the dirty on newsroom colleagues who don't support the phoney war, need to search their conciences. They need to distance themselves by coming clean about where they've been tricked in the past and dishing what dirt they know on those whose job it is to make sure that the first casualty of war
is the truth.

So let's stop boming Kabul right now. This phoney war can only escalate. In the UK we can announce a review of World Bank/IMF programmes and Iraqi Sanctions by the World Development Movement or similar independent group. Running parallel with a public enquiry into the I-OPS department of UK Military Intelligence.

One final point... If I'm right, and the attacks on the WTC were perpetrated somewhere within Western Intelligence, watch for British public opinion to swing against this phoney war. It could be time for another 'spectacular'. This time closer to home.


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2. Lawsuit filed against Kissinger for war crimes


Kissinger accused over Chile plot
(Mr Kissinger has denied his involvement)

Tuesday, 11 September, 2001, 02:53 GMT 03:53 UK
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1536000/1536547.stm

A lawsuit has been filed against the former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger over his alleged role in the death of the former Chilean army commander,

General Rene Schneider, in 1970. The suit was filed in Washington by members of the general's family. They accuse Mr Kissinger of being involved in what they say was a US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plot to kill him.General Schneider died after resisting a kidnapping attempt which, the family
says, was part of a wider plot to prevent the Chilean Marxist leader, Salvador Allende, from becoming president.Mr Kissinger has repeatedly denied any involvement in General Schneider's death. The court action follows several requests by judges in Chile and Argentina judges to question Mr
Kissinger over human rights abuses committed during the military regimes of the 1970s.The BBC correspondent in Washington says the lawsuit stems from an investigation by a US television network, which claims that CIA communications
contradict Mr Kissinger's version of events. Conspiracy

General Schneider's family say the botched kidnapping attempt took place as part of a covert White House campaign to prevent Socialist Salvador Allende from becoming president.

General Pinochet ousted President Allende

Both Mr Kissinger and his boss, the then-president Richard Nixon, were heavily involved in backing anti-Allende factions in Chile, the indictment alleges.

The general was a key player in Chile at the time as he had provided crucial backing to Mr Allende after his narrow presidential election victory on 4 September 1970. In an apparent attempt to remove Mr Allende's military support, coup plotters attempted to kidnap General Schneider, but
shot him when he reached for his gun in self-defence. He died two days after the attempt on 24 October 1970 in Santiago's Military Hospital. 'No connection'

Mr Kissinger, President Nixon's national security adviser at the time, and later secretary of state for both Mr Nixon and his successor, Gerald Ford,has always denied his involvement.

Mr Kissinger served under the late former president Nixon

In 1975, a US Senate investigation established that America had indeed backed a coup which eventually brought down Mr Allende three years later, and set up the dictatorship of General Augusto Pinochet.However, Mr Kissinger testified before the Senate hearing that he cut off all support
for the coup plotters the week before General Schneider was murdered.A high-ranking State Department official referred to previously declassified documents about the situation in Chile during the 1960s and '70s, saying

"the documents speak for themselves".

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1536000/1536547.stm

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3. September 11th premonition (!)

These three emails were sent to an email list I'm a member of on the morning of the WTC attacks and before dawn broke in the USA. Presented here in Chronological order with email addresses and names concealed where necessary:


Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 05:48:13 -0400
From:  www@xxxxxxxx.net
To:  xxxxx-shadow@xxxxxx.com
Subject: New cool link (Kissinger accused over Chile plot)
Reply-to:  xxxxx-shadow@xxxxxx.com


A new link appeared at  http://xxxxxx.com/ - 'The last 10 things
xxxxxxxxxxxx saw'

Kissinger accused over Chile plot
Mr. Kissinger, how do you plead?

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1536000/1536547.stm



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To: "' xxxxx-shadow@xxxxxx.com'"
Subject: RE: New cool link (Kissinger accused over Chile plot)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:58:17 +0100
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.27650.21)

Also at
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7048-2001Sep10.html
(hidden in the Americas/Chile section)

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:43:32 +0100
To:  xxxxxx@xxxxxx.com
From: Tony Gosling
Subject: RE: New cool link (Kissinger accused over Chile plot)

Does this mean Kissinger'll have to kick off a nuclear war in Palestine to distract our attention now???


Tony
www.bilderberg.org

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4. US Government's Terrorist Training Camp - Will We Bomb the USA?

Backyard terrorism

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,583254,00.html
The US has been training terrorists at a camp in Georgia for years - and

it's still at it

George Monbiot Tuesday October 30, 2001 The Guardian

"If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents," George Bush announced on the day he began bombing Afghanistan, "they have become outlaws and murderers themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril." I'm glad he said "any government", as there's one
which, though it has yet to be identified as a sponsor of terrorism, requires his urgent attention.

For the past 55 years it has been running a terrorist training camp, whose victims massively outnumber the people killed by the attack on New York, the embassy bombings and the other atrocities laid, rightly or wrongly, at al-Qaida's door. The camp is called the Western Hemisphere Institute for

Security Cooperation, or Whisc. It is based in Fort Benning, Georgia, and it is funded by Mr Bush's government.
Until January this year, Whisc was called the "School of the Americas", or SOA. Since 1946, SOA has trained more than 60,000 Latin American soldiers and policemen. Among its graduates are many of the continent's most notorious torturers, mass murderers, dictators and state terrorists. As
hundreds of pages of documentation compiled by the pressure group SOA Watch show, Latin America has been ripped apart by its alumni.

In June this year, Colonel Byron Lima Estrada, once a student at the school, was convicted in Guatemala City of murdering Bishop Juan Gerardi in 1998. Gerardi was killed because he had helped to write a report on the atrocities committed by Guatemala's D-2, the military intelligence agency run by Lima Estrada with the help of two other SOA graduates. D-2
coordinated the "anti-insurgency" campaign which obliterated 448 Mayan Indian villages, and murdered tens of thousands of their people. Forty per cent of the cabinet ministers who served the genocidal regimes of Lucas Garcia, Rios Montt and Mejia Victores studied at the School of the Americas.

In 1993, the United Nations truth commission on El Salvador named the army officers who had committed the worst atrocities of the civil war.
Two-thirds of them had been trained at the School of the Americas. Among them were Roberto D'Aubuisson, the leader of El Salvador's death squads; the men who killed Archbishop Oscar Romero; and 19 of the 26 soldiers who murdered the Jesuit priests in 1989. In Chile, the school's graduates
ran both Augusto Pinochet's secret police and his three principal concentration camps. One of them helped to murder Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffit in

Washington DC in 1976.

Argentina's dictators Roberto Viola and Leopoldo Galtieri, Panama's Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos, Peru's Juan Velasco Alvarado and Ecuador's Guillermo Rodriguez all benefited from the school's instruction. So did the
leader of the Grupo Colina death squad in Fujimori's Peru; four of the five officers who ran the infamous Battalion 3-16 in Honduras (which controlled the death squads there in the 1980s) and the commander responsible for the 1994 Ocosingo massacre in Mexico.

All this, the school's defenders insist, is ancient history. But SOA graduates are also involved in the dirty war now being waged, with US support, in Colombia. In 1999 the US State Department's report on human rights named two SOA graduates as the murderers of the peace commissioner,
Alex Lopera. Last year, Human Rights Watch revealed that seven former pupils are running paramilitary groups there and have commissioned kidnappings, disappearances, murders and massacres. In February this year an SOA graduate in Colombia was convicted of complicity in the torture and killing of 30 peasants by paramilitaries. The school is now drawing more
of its students from Colombia than from any other country.

The FBI defines terrorism as "violent acts... intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government, or affect the conduct of a government", which is a precise description of the
activities of SOA's graduates. But how can we be sure that their alma mater has had any part in this? Well, in 1996, the US government was forced to release seven of the school's training manuals. Among other top tips for terrorists, they recommended blackmail, torture, execution and the arrest
of witnesses' relatives.

Last year, partly as a result of the campaign run by SOA Watch, several US congressmen tried to shut the school down. They were defeated by 10 votes.
Instead, the House of Representatives voted to close it and then immediately reopen it under a different name. So, just as Windscale turned into Sellafield in the hope of parrying public memory, the School of the Americas washed its hands of the past by renaming itself Whisc. As the school's Colonel Mark Morgan informed the Department of Defense just
before the vote in Congress: "Some of your bosses have told us that they can't support anything with the name 'School of the Americas' on it. Our proposal addresses this concern. It changes the name." Paul Coverdell, the Georgia senator who had fought to save the school, told the papers that the
changes were "basically cosmetic".

But visit Whisc's website and you'll see that the School of the Americas has been all but excised from the record. Even the page marked "History" fails to mention it. Whisc's courses, it tells us, "cover a broad spectrum of relevant areas, such as operational planning for peace operations;
disaster relief; civil-military operations; tactical planning and execution of counter drug operations".

Several pages describe its human rights initiatives. But, though they account for almost the entire training programme, combat and commando techniques, counter-insurgency and interrogation aren't mentioned. Nor is the fact that Whisc's "peace" and "human rights" options were also offered by SOA in the hope of appeasing Congress and preserving its budget: but hardly any of the students chose to take them.

We can't expect this terrorist training camp to reform itself: after all, it refuses even to acknowledge that it has a past, let alone to learn from it. So, given that the evidence linking the school to continuing atrocities in Latin America is rather stronger than the evidence linking the
al-Qaida training camps to the attack on New York, what should we do about the"evil-doers" in Fort Benning, Georgia?

Well, we could urge our governments to apply full diplomatic pressure, and to seek the extradition of the school's commanders for trial on charges of complicity in crimes against humanity. Alternatively, we could demand that our governments attack the United States, bombing its military
installations, cities and airports in the hope of overthrowing its unelected government and replacing it with a new administration overseen by the UN. In case this proposal proves unpopular with the American people, we could win their hearts and minds by dropping naan bread and dried curry in
plastic bags stamped with the Afghan flag.

You object that this prescription is ridiculous, and I agree. But try as I might, I cannot see the moral difference between this course of action and the war now being waged in Afghanistan.

www.monbiot.com

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5. Humour: "Come on Mr. Taliban - Turn over Bin Laden"

This is a flash movie - you may need to download a plugin for your browser - don't bother if you haven't got a sound card though. I was a bit worried by the 'Bin Laden, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide' at the end of this short movie - but the overall sentiment I totally agree with.
 http://yonkis.ya.com/imagenes5/guerra/talibamm.htm

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6. Assasins Versus Crusaders?

The information here on The Assassins, The Crusaders and the parallels with the current demonising of 'Moslem Fundamentalism' is too spooky to ignore.....
 http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm


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ZNet and Counterpunch

01.11.2001 00:19

I'd ignore the conspiracy theory stuff if I were you. It's just more crap.

ZNet and Counterpunch are both excellent sources of articles and commentaries in the US:

 http://www.zmag.org
 http://www.counterpunch.org

Armadillo


lots to read here

01.11.2001 01:26

 http://www.guerrillanews.com/
excellent, thoughtful information.

chequemate


theories onconspiracy theories by theorists

01.11.2001 09:32

Armadillo is obviously an expert on conspircy theories, he/ she is so absolutely sure about the subject that he can dismiss it with one word, CRAP. That's pretty much the norm in the ranks of the uninformed, until recently anyone who mentioned Bilderberg was lambasted and called a fascist, zionist, or anti zionist, gets confusing, this also occured outside the UK. But Bilderberg is not a theorectical subject, it has an office in Holland and the history of he 'organisation' is now available from various locaions on the net.There is a tendency, by a lot of people and especially including the intelligence agencies, to lump together all the stories about covert activities and call them conspiracy theories. friend Armadillo surely fits the bill. It is fact that M15 and M16 plotted against all the labour governments since the war, and eventually caused Harold Wilson to resign, or does this come into the conspiracy theory dept as well ???

I would be interested to know how much proof is needed before
a particular story becomes fact and why is there such an anti conspiracy theory's lobby in the first place.

It's handy if you want to discredit aby one, you just say he's a conspiracy theorist and he's fucked ..

LB

Luther Blissett


highly relevant, the Pakistan News Agency

01.11.2001 15:41

you should also try the internet public library, which has many newspapers from all over [www.ipl.org]

Auguste
- Homepage: http://www.paknews.org.pk


Bilderberg

01.11.2001 19:06

Luther - I never said Bilderberg didn't exist, so please don't put words in my mouth. I hope, however, you'll forgive me if the word CRAP comes to mind when I'm asked to believe that Bilderberg is made up of blood-sucking, shape-shifting reptiles from outer space who sacrifice babies at Bohemian Grove. Now let's get back to the important issues, shall we?

Armadillo


starrman73

03.04.2005 04:43

You can't honestly believe the garbage that you've written in this post? Your emails (supposedly sent prior to the attacks) are obvious fakes. Please tell me that you have more than this to make claims that the US would actually harm itself? For what? Please, I am dying to hear the justification for this. NO country would do that. I fully understand the jeolously of the US and also the hatred of the US. I do not live with blinders on. Some of it is very much misguided and some of it deserved. But you cannot honestly tell me that you think the US in any way had anything to do with 9-11. The country that gives more aide, food, and shelter to starving people across the world than ANY other country! A country that has come to the aide of so many others. A country that rebuilt Germany and Japan (their enemies) after the war! No other country has "ever" done these things. How many has your country rebuilt....better yet how many throughout your history did you try to conquer? And if I am not mistaken....there are several islands throughout the world that you still raise your flag at that do not belong to you? Am I wrong? If you want to talk about war and history please do me a favor and go back to your own roots and give yourself a history lesson and then come back and tell me about war crimes. It amazes me how shallow and how quick other countries seem to forget their own histories and mistakes. Oh yeah...and who founded the US (or stole it I should say).

I fully understand (don't necessarily always agree) the difference in policies from country to country. I understand that this country (US) is not perfect nor do I preach that it is. But I do know that I have lived abroad. I have seen other cultures, government, and societies. The US is NOT an evil country. The majority of Americans want the same things that everyone else in the world wants....Peace. We don't always agree on how to get to that point but continued dialog, understanding, and tolerance can go a long way.

Ignorance on the other hand helps no one. This article is just that. Sheer ignorance and lack of self control. I highly suggest you find something better to do with your time. Maybe you should right movies or books. You can then dazzle the world with your ficiton. But if it is helping the world that you are concerned about maybe, just maybe, you should open your eyes a little bit more, try not believing everything you hear on TV that is agenda driven, and for god sake, have a little more faith in humanity, not just in the US, but humanity in general.

I would hate to wake up every morning with thoughts such as the ones you and others (americans too...few but the do exist) have written about. How do you go about your day in such fear...waiting for the next big conspiracy.

jeff
mail e-mail: starrman73@yahoo.com