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G.R. group strikes out for independence!!!

Guy Jailer | 16.10.2001 17:46

Anti-imperialism begins at home...

A group of 16 trade unionists from University College London returned from their trip to Genoa in July and decided to form their own autonomous anti-capitalist group outside of the union jurisdiction but still firmly affiliated. Their public meetings within weeks were swamped by SWP / GR troops. Perhaps due to naievety, a vote was held on whether the group should become a part of Globalise Resistance. Due to the fact that the room at the time was full of GR people (who incidentally had advertised the meeting as a GR meeting) the vote went in their favour. The members of the original UCL group were then informed that in order to be part of GR, they had to pay a £10 subscription fee - they had to pay Guy Taylor and his gang £10 to join their own group!
Since then, various events, such as the Brighton demo at the Labour conference, and an increase in knowledge of what the SWP stand for, have altered the perception of members of the original UCL group regarding just what they got themselves into.
On Wednesday 3rd October a proposal from the original group was given at the start of the group's meeting. Below is the full text of this proposal...



>The Splitting Motion
>
>Central London Globalise Resistance is thus named because of a motion from UCL UNISON. The intention was to build a local anti-globalisation group which would be part of the much bigger anti-globalisation movement which had evolved from Seattle, Nice, Prague and Genoa. To this day the anti-globalisation movement has carved out a special place in history in terms of resistance against the ever increasing global capitalisation of the world led by the so called "New World Order" of the developed countries who in turn are dominated by the USA. The reason why this movement was/is effective is because of its broad appeal.

However, having involved myself in this process and the subsequent radicalisation that this produces, it has become blatantly obvious the cynical nature of the Socialist Workers Party and their involvement in Globalise Resistance. My view now is that their intention was never to
build a mass working class movement but one that was confined to their own brand of politics. Their characterisation of the Labour Party for example,
I think is completely false. The idea that some of these people may come over to us in the present climate is perverse. Why spend our energies trying to appease the enemy? This perspective was made clear on the anti-privatisation demo which our UNISON branch sent a delegation to under the naieve understanding that we somehow had something in common with our SWP "friends".

This is however in my view is not the case.

My proposal is therefore for the CLGR to re-establish its original aims. This is to base itself on the working class people of central London, linking up with the organised labour movement in the area, trade union branches, community groups and special interest groups and stand up for the oppressed and the poor. If this means arguing against other sections of the left whether they are Labour Party or SWP members, then so be it. That this group widens out in the local area as much as is feasibly possible building links with all sections of the local community who want to fight against the "social fascism" of Blair and New Labour and those parts of the left who are revisionist/reformist/centrist and thus obstruct the building of an effective movement.

That the CLGR renames itself with this in mind to the Central London Anti-Globalisation Group (otherwise known as CLANG- we could call ourselves the CLANGERS (!)), thus disaffiliating from the much larger (but SWP run) Globalise Resistance group. This does not mean that we will not work with GR and take part in events organised by GR but the local central London group will not be dominated or cajoled into SWP positions.

(end of proposal)


As the GR stormtroopers who were originally massed to vote the group into GR were not to be seen, now that the big fish had seemingly eaten the little one, the couple of trots who were there were unable to stop the vote on this motion from going ahead. Thus, the 'Central London Globalise Resistance Group' is no more. All hail the Clangers!

The idea that a group of unionists should feel the urge to have autonomy in order to fight a struggle exactly on their own terms is to my mind inspiring, perhaps suggesting a step in the right direction regarding how unions should work (did someone say Anarcho-syndicalism?).
I feel that this group should be applauded for their action, and supported in future actions, by anarchists.
Because they will be supporting us.

Please pass on this message. Thanks.

Guy Jailer

Comments

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clarification

16.10.2001 20:18

So we know how carried away to get, how many people were at the meeting and how many of them were UCL trade unionists?

And why 'Social Fascism'? Doesn't it come from that well-known friend of anarchism Joseph Stalin?

Apologies if you mean something else but are you saying that everyone to the right of you is equivalent to Fascism, if not worse because at least you know where you stand with a fascist. The result in Germany? A powerful working class hopelessly split because of the refusal of the Communist Party to work with the socialists against the Nazis which gifted it to Hitler.

OK, you're not alone in thinking that the SWP's intention is to build a mass working class movement confined to their own brand of politics, but isn't that exactly what you're proposing only with an even narrower definition?

lev


Fuck Trotsky

16.10.2001 20:46

Anarchists . . . friends of Joseph Stalin? I don't think so. Go and read some history books, lev! Remember the Spanish Civil War, when the NKVD/Fascist double act just about eliminated democracy from the Iberian peninsula? The SWP have recently published a pamphlet entitled "Genoa: The Fight Goes On", in which all anarchists are painted as either fascist sypathisers or undercover cops . . . some of us who have spent YEARS FIGHTING NAZIS find this a teeny weeny bit insulting. However, there is no point in rising to the bait. The SWP can go and fuck themselves. In truth, Trotskyism is a load of bollocks . . . Trotsky wasn't able to stop the onward march of capitalism, any more than he was able to stop the icepick that Stalin ordered from smashing his skull . . . to argue that Trotskyism is an alternative to Stalinism is to argue that Himmler was somehow a substitute for Hitler . . . anyone heard of David Irving?

Anarchist Rioter


still no clearer

16.10.2001 21:50

1) Erm, "well known friend of anarchism" was irony. You know, where you use language to point out a contradiction.

2) I have no idea what the SWP pamphlet says because I haven't read it.

3) NKVD/Fascist double act - agreed

4) Stalin murdered or exiled the entire central committee of the Bolshevik Party of 1917. Serious personality clash, or something a bit more serious?

5) "to argue that Trotskyism is an alternative to Stalinism is to argue that Himmler was somehow a substitute for Hitler . . . anyone heard of David Irving? "

You've lost me - is Irving a Trotskyist then?

lev


what actually happened in the meeting

17.10.2001 01:02

as someone who was actually present at the meeting in which the CLGR group decided to dissafiliate from globalise resistance and rename themselves the CLANGERS i would like to clarify a few points about what actually happened.

1) for lev (and anyone else who cares) the meeting consisted of:
10-15 UCL UNISON members (can't remember the exact no. off the top of my head) (none of them SWP)
4 SWP members (including myself)
3 UCL students (myself and 2 others, neither of them SWP)

2) the motion which the origianal contributor has posted was submitted to the meeting. however, this it was not adopted by us. an ammendment was proposed (by one of the members of UCL UNISON) to remove the whole of the second paragraph, also the description of the labour party as "social facists" (which for the information of anarchist rioter IS a stalinist phrase - go and read some history books if you don't believe me). also one or two other changes which i can't remember as it was a couple of weeks ago. the ammendment was passed 2 or 3 votes against the rest in favour. (i voted in favour). the ammended motion was then passed 2 abstentions the rest in favour (again i voted in favor).
2b)after this we sort of realised that we had all along jumped into the whole 'motioneering' form of political debate without really thinking about it, and considered looking at other ways of running meetings eg consensus in the future

3)"the room at the time was full of GR people (who incidentally had advertised the meeting as a GR meeting) "
i can't say whether this is true or not for sure, but i came to the meeting at which we voted to affiliate to GR nationally, and what i can say is that i didn't hear anything about it beforehand from either GR or the SWP - the only prior notice i had about this meeting was from UCL UNISON.

4)"they had to pay Guy Taylor and his gang £10 to join their own group!"
there was not and is not a fee for joining the old CLGR or the new CLANGERS. the £10 mentioned was to join GR nationally, and as far as i am aware it was quite possible to be a member of the local group without formally joining the national group.

love and intrepidness
john gray

john


still no clearer

17.10.2001 01:23

"Anarchists . . . friends of Joseph Stalin? I don't think so."

Nor do I. It was sarcasm. Lowest form of wit, I know, but unfortunately above your head.

"the NKVD/Fascist double act just about eliminated democracy from the Iberian peninsula?"

No argument there.

"The SWP ...all anarchists are painted as either fascist sypathisers or undercover cops"

Can't comment - haven't read it. Perhaps you could post those bits (in context) here.

"Trotsky wasn't able to stop the onward march of capitalism"

Agreed. Remind me again who did manage to stop it.

"to argue that Trotskyism is an alternative to Stalinism is to argue that Himmler was somehow a substitute for Hitler"

No it's not. It's to argue that there was a reason why Stalin eventually murdered or exiled every member of the Bolshevik leadership of 1917. It was either one hell of a personality clash or there was something more fundamental going on.

"anyone heard of David Irving?"

Yes, he's a Nazi holocaust denier. Is that the same thing as a trotskyist?

lev


oh i forgot

17.10.2001 01:25

5) "the couple of trots who were there were unable to stop the vote on this motion from going ahead"
none of us swp members made any attempt of any sort to stop a vote being taken on this motion. nor would we have no matter how many or how few of us might have been present. seriously, what are you people on?
love
jg

john


SchNEWS pamphlet MONOPOLISE RESISTANCE?

17.10.2001 10:16

SchNEWS have published a pamphlet MONOPOLISE RESISTANCE? stating why we think the Socialist Workers Party, and its front organisation Globalise Resistance, are actively pulling our movement back into dead-end, pro-Labour politics - and how we need to get our act together in the face of this challenge. You can read it at  http://www.schnews.org.uk/mr.htm

The pamphlet is available in paper form (cartoons, photos and everything!) for a couple of first class stamps from SchNEWS. It is available through AK distribution, RTS, etc. If you would like to help distribute it, please contact SchNEWS.

There will be a discussion/launch of the pamphlet at the anarchist bookfair this Saturday (20th October). If you want someone to introduce a discussion about the ideas in the pamphlet, ring SchNEWS and we'll try arrange something.

Cheers.

SchNEWS
mail e-mail: schnews@brighton.co.uk
- Homepage: http://www.schnews.org.uk/mr.htm


SWP Pamphlet

17.10.2001 10:26

Ahem, yes . . . "Genoa: the Fight Goes On" is the very libellous pamphlet brought out by the SWP to celebrate the amazing victories of the "workers" at the Genoa demonstrations. The offending bit (well, there are lots of offending bits, but this is the one that really gets me) is on page 35. It features an interview with a so-called Black Block activist, who is said to have replied: "I'm a Nazi, not an anarchist . . . I don't care about the G8 or anti-globalisation bullshit. The Italian brothers invited me. They told me we wouldn't have troubles with the police - they would allow us to do all we wanted."

This single paragraph sums up the SWP strategy on Genoa. Firstly, to discredit the Black Block by insinuating that we are all Nazis, and secondly, by suggesting that we are in league with the cops . . . what really sticks in my throat is how the SWP then use the death of Carlo Giuliani to market their filthy propaganda, and to recruit new members and sell more papers. At best, this is libellous nonsense, and at worst, is a dangerous form of revisionist history (hence the reference to David Irving).

Unfortunately, a large number of people appear to have been taken in by this fairly crude attempt at defamation - hence the amazing conspiracy theories circulating on Indymedia in the past months about "hundreds of Nazis" at Genoa (there were probably only half a dozen) and "vanloads of undercover cops" (like Eddie Murphy, they must have been "deep, deep undercover", because we did't see any!!!

If I find the individual who wrote this piece, I'll do more than slap a writ on him/her!!!

Anarchist Rioter


Comment

17.10.2001 13:56

The problem with the SWP is that they see diversity as a weakness. This doesn't stem from a deep contempt for democracy, although many of their members adhere to the 'we know best so we'll overlook democracy' mindframe. The reason the SWP try to pull everyone under their banner is an ideological one based on the politics of Leninism, Trotskyism and interpretations of these writers by Profs Harman, Callincos, the Grovesnor square cliche and the late Tony Cliff. Sadly the idea that we should all adhere to one interpretation of an event and that only a strong and elite section of the working class organised in one party has unsurprisingly not resonted amongst most ordinary people who are disgruntled enough by being told what to do all day at work or by the state. Besides such an outlook ideologically perceives any organisation outside the party fold as regressive and at even counter revolutionary. This generally leads to a self serving mindframe whereby all Leninist groups claim to be the true representative of the 'progressive' working class.

As for the SWP attacks on anarchists. These were nothing short of vile. The Socialist Worker devoted a whole page of it's post Genoa issue spouting slanderous lies about the black bloc. This article raised all the normal steriotypes more common to the Sun than a so called socialist paper. THis all stems from the same ideology of perceiving all those outside the party as either regressive or reactionary.

In fact the SWP's past interpretations of a progressive revolutionary group raise some serious questions; telling people to vote labour for years even when labour was locking people up for non payment of poll tax, still lamenting over the dead end street of student politics arguing that the poll tax could only be defeated through strike action and not community campaigns alone and unbelievably STILL cooperting with the authorities over demo routes and permission, most recently cooperating with a ban on an anti nazi demo in Blackburn.

Despite rumours to the contrary the SWP are not despotic fasists but people whose adherence to a particular ideology has prevented them building constructive and open relationships with other radical organisations and frequently examining contemporary issues with an open mind.

The GR debacle has sadly gone the way of the ANL which can mobilise thousands but fails to have active membership groups who can challenge fasism when the demos have finished and can discuss the problems of racism prevalent amongst many working class communities who are otherwise fairly millitant.

The SWP has changed it's approach slightly recently and lets hope that it does not make the same mistakes with the fledgeling Socialist Alliance that it has done with so many groups in the past. The possibility of a genuine socialist alliance with mass Trade union affiliation could spell a bright future for progressive politics in the UK not only for socialist but also for the left in general whose possibilities will be strengthend

Griersoncat
- Homepage: www.socialistalliance.net


get a grip!

17.10.2001 15:27

I really don't know why people feel that banging on about the SWP or GR or whatever is such a good way to spend their time, there's a war, global recession, pfi, eu demo in belgium, good knows what else and yet the Indymedia UK siteseems to be full of people who would rather slag off other activists than get on with the job at hand, I was at the meeting above and it has buggered up a number of campaigns in UCL, I brought people along that night, who will now not come back. This kind of sectarian crap turns people away from politics just at the point when we need to get more people involved. When the people who continually moan, have done something constructive like get people involved, organise rallies, meetings, and not just romanticising fighting the cops then I will listen to you, I wonder what kind of revolutionaries you can be when you would rather gossip, spread lies and hatred and put people off from taking action, and just for the record the guy who wrote the motion above sent this mail after the meeting when he realised that it had fucked things up.

Nothing had been done in the UCL group without the consent of the members in it, and we had done a number of successful things, now we have to pick up the pieces.

>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:42:00 +0000
>To:  office@resist.org.uk

>>Dear all,
>>
>>I would like to apologise to our SWP comrades (and I understand other
>>comrades) for the motion that I put to the CLGR meeting last week. This
>>apology is for the way it was written (which was nasty & sectarian) and
>>also procedurally for not circulating or discussing this motion before the
>>meeting.
>>
>>I have personally upset a number of individuals who I have only recently
>>begun to work with politically and apologise unreservedly for this (I will
>>say it to your face when I see you next).
>>
>>The decision to change its relationship with GR, I think should stay. The
>>discussion that we did not have at the meeting which in my view was
>>absolutely necessary however, was & is how we work together. My motion
>>obviously did not contribute constructively to having this discussion. I
>>can understand why certain parties may not want to revisit this (on all
>>sides) but I think this is the key to the way we build an effective group.
>>
>>Perhaps we could have it as an item on the agenda of the next meeting
>>without dominating the meeting as we need to discuss practical issues.
>>
>>Yours sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>>Tom Silverlock

noel
mail e-mail: noel@desiderium.org


Born Romantic

17.10.2001 17:07

Dear Noel

Yes, we Black Block are all hopeless romantics! The reason that anarchists and socialists don't like one another is very simple . . .

Socialism (and I mean revolutionary socialism, not the New Labour variety) is a serious platform for contesting political power with the capitalist elite. Anarchism, on the other hand, offers no such platform (although some anarchists might not accept this). Anarchism is a devastating philosophical critique of the state, modernity and power. Hence, we do not accept the legimacy of any state (whether it is a "workers'" or "capitalists'"). Our problem is with the very notion of state power.

Yes, it is also true that anarchists do not particpate in committee meetings and endless political polemics. This is not because we are lazy or in any way "anti-intellectual" - we just feel that such debates are often a waste of time. I also agree with your point that having sectarian sqabbles during a time of crisis seems a little self-indulgent. However, we anarchists are fighting a war on two fronts - against the capitalist war-mongers, and also against the Trots and their allies whose naked ambition is to co-opt the anti-capitalist movement. It is perfectly valid that there should be resistance to this blatant attempt at assimilation - in fact, there is even a word for this kind of "sectarianism" - it is called "democracy".

Love,

Anarchist Rioter

Anarchist Rioter


I agree with noel

17.10.2001 17:17

I agree with NOEL. I'm getting tired of all this arguement. Look it's simple. SWP and GR are good at organising (events people and policies) as well as branding politics. They are successful at it. This is why so many people don't like them because they're good at promoting a view that some don't like. They are quite an efficient machine.

Until those criticising get it together to put on the size of large events and organise right throughout the country, and maybe grow enough balls or common sense to talk to the media then can they please shut up!

not swp or gr


Let's get back to the point...

17.10.2001 17:36

"we just feel that such debates are often a waste of time" - as opposed to what? you talk about democracy yet you see debates as a waste of time! How can you be democratic if you avoid debate? (Or if you threaten with physical violence anyone who disagrees with you - this will make sense to some people present at a certain meeting a few weeks ago, and no, I wasn't there, I was told about it).

Anyhow, I think Tom's letter that Noel posted says it all. I have a lot of respect for people like that, that are not arrogant or afraid to apologise if and when they see fit. Just for the record, I was at that original meeting - as an observer - and I seem to recall Guy Taylor proposing that only UCL people should vote on whether or not to join GR. The reply from someone from UCL (can't remember who exactly) was that everyone was welcome to vote, as it was an open meeting. And I don't seem to recall anyone voting against, from UCL or otherwise. The spirit of that meeting was friendly and open and I hope UCL people can rebuild that kind of spirit. What they call themselves is not the most important thing. What is important is that they are active in the anti-capitalist movement, as I'm sure they will be. See you in Belgium?

Despina


Better Dead Than Red

18.10.2001 08:51

I think I'm being quoted out of context here. When I said that debates were a waste of time, I meant debates in a room full of Trots and Stalinists (same thing if you ask me). And I never threatened anyone with violence . . . when I find the person who wrote "Genoa: The Fight Goes On", I'll do something much worse than mere violence to its author!

Will everyone stop praising the SWP for their "organisation". Firstly, the Soviet Union was pretty well "organised", and I don't see anyone praising that. Come to think of it, Nazi Germany was fairly efficient too - apparently the trains to Auschwitz were nearly always on time. I didn't join an anti-capitalist movement to kow-tow to a bunch of cretins who are still living out the 1930's!

Finally, here is a list of European intellectuals who have spent their careers fighting Communism: Adam Michnik, Andrei Sakharov, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Gyula Horn, Vladimir Tismaneanu, Vaclav Havel. Can anyone in the anti-capitalist movement explain why these great men were wrong and the SWP's doctored version of history is right?

To argue that the Soviet Union somehow "betrayed" the ideals of its founders is to use the same obnoxious chopped logic the Nazi "historian" employs in his failed attempt to rehabilitate Hitler . . . Soviet Power does exactly what it says on the tin, and we all know what that involves!

Has anyone in the SWP actually lived inside a Communist country? Or are you all just political tourists, day-tripping to a place you know nothing about and can scarcely even find on the map???

Anarchist Rioter


wait a minute...

18.10.2001 10:58

Great men???!!?? Alexander Solzhenitsyn - complete reactionary. Vaclav Havel - eh, I seem to remember being chased by his cops not long ago.

I'm aware of how crap the SWP are as much as the next person, but lets not end up atacking all progressive movements of any significance because they're not anarchist (that's all of them, by the way).

x


True

19.10.2001 13:18

Yes, Solzhenitsyn is a complete reactionary (and part of a long tradition of dodgy right-wing opposition to Soviet power). I agree that we have to be careful not to identify too closely with the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". In Russia, (as elsewhere), this can lead to unexpected consequences . . .

As for Mr Havel, well . . . I sympathise with your experiences at the hands of the Czech police. Central European political leaders face an almost unique challenge in navigating the tricky path away from Soviet Communism towards Western-style capitalism. Personally, I don't have a problem with Havel or with his policies of "lustration" (the purging of former Communist officials from power). This process is now happening in Poland too - the former military leader Jaruzelski is on trial for ordering troops to open fire on workers in 1970. All of this "truth and reconciliation" is helping this region come to terms with the legacy of its (very traumatic) past.

In former Soviet satellites where Bolshevik leaders have yet to be purged, on the other hand, the political and economic situation remains rather dire. A striking example of this is Romania, where the proto-fascist regime of Ion Iliescu was recently returned to power in the December 2000 elections. Cold War attitudes are still a persistent problem in Europe - look at Russia, where Mr Putin is attempting to establish "Soviet Power without communism", as one critic of his regime put it.

I have a problem with "communists" of all shades (not just the SWP) because they thrive on distortions of history - especially the argument that there was something inherently "just" about the October 1917 revolution. There aren't many Russians who would buy that argument . . . even the official Communist Party seems rather luke-warm on this one!

My favourite quote is by Polish dissident Adam Michnik - "truth is the fatherland of the intellectual". The biggest task is not only to build a significant anti-war/anti-capitalist movement, but to defend its historical legacy from those would use it for narrow, sectarian purposes.

Anarchist Rioter