STOP THE WAR! Demo this Satuday in London!
noUSwar | 10.10.2001 20:03
Call for as many people as possible to join the protest against the war with Afghanistan (and maybe additional countries) this Saturday, Oct 13, in Hyde Park, LONDON.
[This text was copied from protest.net]
PEACE RALLY
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH BLAIR, JOIN US ON 13TH OCT!
USA TRAGEDY PEACE RALLY (YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BELONG TO ANY PEACE ORGANISATION TO ATTEND - I DON'T)
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH US SUPPORTING THE USA ON OUR OWN IN MILITARY ACTION,
PLEASE JOIN US ON:
SATURDAY, 13TH OCTOBER 2001
ASSEMBLE 12 NOON HYDE PARK (MARBLE ARCH END), MARCH AT 1 P.M. TO TRAFALGAR SQUARE FOR RALLY.
MR BLAIR NEEDS TO GET A CLEAR MESSAGE FROM ALL OF US WHO NOT AGREE WITH HIM. THIS SINGLE MOST VITAL ISSUE COULD HAVE DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES FOR EVERY ONE OF US.
PLEASE TRY TO JOIN US WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND FORWARD THIS TO AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE UK AS POSSIBLE.
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If we can manage 5,000 in Brighton during a thunderstorm, then we can manage *at least* 15,000 in London.
Let's make this one a huge!
Please spread this information as widely as possible.
PEACE RALLY
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH BLAIR, JOIN US ON 13TH OCT!
USA TRAGEDY PEACE RALLY (YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BELONG TO ANY PEACE ORGANISATION TO ATTEND - I DON'T)
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH US SUPPORTING THE USA ON OUR OWN IN MILITARY ACTION,
PLEASE JOIN US ON:
SATURDAY, 13TH OCTOBER 2001
ASSEMBLE 12 NOON HYDE PARK (MARBLE ARCH END), MARCH AT 1 P.M. TO TRAFALGAR SQUARE FOR RALLY.
MR BLAIR NEEDS TO GET A CLEAR MESSAGE FROM ALL OF US WHO NOT AGREE WITH HIM. THIS SINGLE MOST VITAL ISSUE COULD HAVE DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES FOR EVERY ONE OF US.
PLEASE TRY TO JOIN US WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND FORWARD THIS TO AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE UK AS POSSIBLE.
--
If we can manage 5,000 in Brighton during a thunderstorm, then we can manage *at least* 15,000 in London.
Let's make this one a huge!
Please spread this information as widely as possible.
noUSwar
Comments
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Coaches from Birmingham
10.10.2001 22:22
Coaches will be going from Birmingham, leaving Allison Street, Digbeth at 8.30, £8, unwaged £4. Money in advance, please, to West Midlands CND, 54, Allison St., Digbeth, B5 5TH, 0121 643 4617, cheques to "West Midlands CND".
The lastest info I have is that CND will be taking at least 2 coaches and another 3 are going from Birminghams central Mosque.
Let's make this a big one, because every bomb Bush and Blair drop is a victory for terrorism.....
Richard
Rain not bombs
10.10.2001 23:09
Rain in the UK or drought in Afghanistan, who's playing the HAARP?
"Invisible enormous rivers of water, consisting of vapors that flow, move towards the poles in the lower atmosphere. They rival the flow of the Amazon River and are 420 to 480 miles wide and up to 4,800 miles long. They are 1.9 miles above the earth and have volumes of 340 lbs of water per second. There are 5 atmospheric rivers in each Hemisphere. A massive flood can be created by damming up one of these massive vapor rivers, causing huge amounts of rainfall to be dumped. The GWEN Towers positioned along the areas north of the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers were turned on for 40 days and 40 nights, probably mocking the Flood of Genesis. (This was in conjunction with HAARP, that creates a river of electricity flowing thousands of miles through the sky and down to the polar ice-cap, manipulating the jet-stream , like The Woodpecker.) These rivers flooded, causing agricultural losses of $12-15 billion. HAARP produces earthquakes by focusing on the fault lines. GWEN Towers are on the fault lines and volcanic areas of the Pacific Northeast"
Weathergirl.
Is the anti-war coalition falling apart?
11.10.2001 13:16
The SWP is attempting to lower its profile within the Stop the War coalition. But the leadership's attempts to control the organisation have become evident, helping to deter many liberals and other Marxist groups. One prominent criticism of the Coalition is that the executive is not democratically elected and democratic procedures are not adhered to at meetings.
Meanwhile, a conflict has emerged between the liberal pacifists of the Bruce Kent variety and more orthodox Marxists groups calling for a revolutionary approach to the war on Afghanistan.
The CPGB is accusing the SWP of ditching revolutionary politics in favour of populist reaction which is unwilling to go beyond simply stopping the war. It also castigates the involvement of ARROW, which it claims is right-wing. Meanwhile, liberals are condemning the 'No War but Class War' slogans, claiming they are inappropriate at this time. They wish more UN mediation, appealing to the 'progressive' values that were supposed to define the UN.
Just a few questions: Is the Coalition becoming victim to Trotskyist infighting or SWP domination? Does the coalition need to develop more formal, accountable structures, or will it remain a loose coalition? Is there a case for liberals and revolutionaries to organise on separate agendas, or is unity preferable even if it means the coalition's aims are more vague?
Answers on the back of a ciggy packet, please.
Uno
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uno@union.org.za
this one to Uno...
11.10.2001 13:43
arthur
Dear Arthur
11.10.2001 13:59
Uno
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uno@union.org.za
Answer to Uno
11.10.2001 14:19
DM
Sorry no conspiracy but facts
11.10.2001 14:40
In Sheffield there was a large public meeting to launch the anti-war coalition. This was followed by an activists meeting on October 3rd with maybe 50 people at. There was discussion about the nature of the steering/group committee. There were differences of opinion expressed. Some speakers all from the SWP calling for a small committee. Other groups/individuala called for all to be represented. Another idea was for spokes council type system which has been common in the peace movement and direct action movement for a long time. People familiar with the history of the workers movement will recognise that this in outline is a skeleton of the form of organisation known as workerscouncils. This bottom up rather than top down organisation was the key to the mos succesful political movement in the UK in recent times - The Poll Tax revolt
The idea is that each group sends a represenative. So if there is a local area group, or workers group or action group (say anti-war artists) they can send along a spokesperson plus observers to ensure accountablity if they want. This is democratic and it means that any decisions taken can be quickly implemented. It maximises participation. It also can ensure that any new groups getting involved can be involved in decision making. It means that all are accountable. This was a form of organisation that operated in Sheffield successfully during the gulf war and the SWP were happy to participate in.
The CND chair suggested a compromise, so that a divisive decision could be avoided. The compormise was that there should be an open meeting and that anyone who wanted to be on the committee could be on. Given the desire to achive consensus and focus on campaigning rahter than structure those wanting a more democratic system did not ask for a vote. The chairs compromise was agreed on.
At the first "steering group" meeting, this consensus decision was overturned by a meeting at which about 17 SWP members and 6 or 7 others attended. A commitee of the SWP's chosen ones was elected. This is completely undemocratic and disempowering.
Given the SWP memos that have ben published on indymedia perhaps their behaviour should not be surprising.
It leaves those of us committed to democracy, participation in decision making and change coming from below rather than the top down with a difficult choice, should we Have a big row at the next activists meeting and piss off loads of people that just want toget on with stopping the war?
Stay silent about such a stitch up? Accept that the SWP runs the coalition and will use it for their own ends which in the long run will piss off people who want to stop the war and ? Take our ball home and sulk and leave the field clear for the SWP to recruit and sell merrily (probably what they want) ?
There is a silver lining in the sorry saga, the SWP must be getting pretty desperate to be behaving in such a way.
Ranter
Uno
11.10.2001 14:43
As for using my energy, I am using all my spare time in this campaign and I will certainly be there on Saturday as should everyone concerned at the US/UK terrorist attacks on impoverished people.
Uno
e-mail:
uno@union.org.za