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Ernesto | 11.09.2001 23:18

Are we to rejoice when our enemies are killed?

"Gotcha!" screemed The Sun on the day Margaret Thatcher salvaged her waning popularity and flagging career by murdering in cold blood the entire crew of a warship that was in fact turning back and going back the way it came. To me, this legendary and historic headline symbolises a tradition of rejoicing when one's enemies are killed.

My attitude to winning a war is not to celebrate. OK, we should celebrate the fact that the war is over, but not the fact that the enemy has been slaughtered. Death is a sad sombre affair, even when it is the death of our oppononents.

So in the same way, let us grieve for those who have lost their lives today in the World Trade Centre and let us grieve for those who died in the Pentagon.

These people may have been the agents of global capitalism and american imperialism. But did they deserve to be executed? "Targeted killings" anyone?

They do not deserve any more sympathy than those countless millions every year throughout the world, whose deaths or even whose ruined lives are deemed un-newsworthy. It does make me sick to see so much mourning for poor old america on the TV tonight, but only because they never bother to mourn to the same degree (or even at all!) for the victims of our wars in Kosovo and Iraq and the victims of global freemarket capitalism in general.

I feel a very strong urge to say that America has long been asking for it. But surely those people did not deserve death.



Having said all that and still standing by it all, I feel a rush of excitement to know that the World Trade Centre has been destroyed. That place no longer exists. Now maybe this is just me being male and barbaric but the fact that the WTC has been destroyed is, to me, fucking gratifying!

And whilst I do lament the deaths of the individuals who died in the Pentagon, the fact that the Pentagon itself has taken a damn good hit is as far as I'm concerned an absolute bonus!

As for Tony Blair and his crocodile tears, I actually think he was being genuine. He looked fake as fuck, sure. But then he always looks like that, that's just the way he is. No, I don't think he was faking it. I think he meant it. I think he was genuinely upset. Blair loves America. When he has sex with Cherie, he imagines that she's America itself. What I DID find ironic about that speech was when he started banging on about "evil". "This is the new evil of our world" he bleated. (not quite sure why "bleated" but it seems kind of apt). What's ironic about it is not just the fact that Tony Blair himself is the new evil of our world (him and the rest of the global elite that is), but the fact that he's so totally unaware of this. The arrogant self-righteous git honestly believes in his own moral authority and superiority. He thinks of himself as the SOLUTION when he is in fact (a part of) the PROBLEM.


Well, it was a good protest. It would have been even better if more people had come, but we certainly made an impact. I felt rather uneasy on the way back, on the DLR and on the tube, all the way right up to Charing Cross, being surrounded by the continual presence of men in shiny suits. Towards the end there were less of them but they were always there. It can't still be them, I kept thinking, each time I changed trains. But when I listened to their conversations, I was left in no doubt whose company I was in and it chilled my blood. I couldn't hear everything they said, just the odd phrase like "how many remote vehicles was it for the UAE? 3 yeah that was it" and "yeah, tanks" and "why don't they just get a life" and "are these people going to be here all week then?... Bummer!"

What can I say, wouldn't it just;-)

So, it's official, the men in clean suits doing dirty deals are expecting A BUMMER. Let's not disapoint them.

Ernesto

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World Trade Centre: Good Riddance

12.09.2001 00:38

I share your mixed feelings. I do not rejoice at the death of innocent people - even when some of those people worked in the heart of an empire that I despise. I mourn for them and their families.

In 1996 I visited the World Trade Centre. It was a beautiful, fresh spring day and I sat on a bench in the plaza between the towers, thinking about the power contained within those massive monoliths towering a third of a mile above my head. There was undeniably something beautiful about them, but I was overcome by the sense of helplessness and insignificance I felt in the shadows they cast. It was impossible to conceive that these twin symbols of American capitalist tyranny could ever be destroyed. I'm glad they've gone.

Tony Blair spoke about "standing shoulder to shoulder" with the Americans. Presumably, he'll have to remove his head from up Bush's arse before he can assume that position.

armadillo


Concrete stuff

12.09.2001 11:06

Does it really matter a bit whether it is 'right' to mourn for 'capitalist war-mongers'? The death of any human being is worthy of mourning.

What I'm more interested in is where the attack on he WTC building leaves us. As far as I know, the building was not representative of any one organisation, because it was merely rented space for hundreds of different companies. In that sense, the WTC is - in 'spirit' - still very much with us. Does this have any real repercussions on NMD, global capitalism, anti-terrorism laws, Osama bin Laden issues?

St
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Re: WTC still with us IN SPIRIT

12.09.2001 11:47

Capitalism took a big hit yesterday but we shouldn't underestimate how quickly it will recover.

The only real solution is not to destroy physical buildings but to create a revolution in consciousness among the people of the world. The real change has to be in people's heads.

Derek


Hypocrisy

12.09.2001 12:12

Since the bombing of the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, there have been a multitude of ridiculous statements bandied about on all sides.

There are those who claim that the WTC is always a legitimate target since this is the centre of global capitalism. Those thousands of people who died in the attack were pen-pushers and like most of us were just earning a living. Many were not even in the buildings. So what if they were engaged in global business? We are all a part of this system, as labourers and consumers, whether we like it or not. The destruction of these buildings and the loss of life will achieve nothing to rid the world of the evils of capitalism and the people who died and were maimed are not responsible for capitalism. The event was a tragedy that cannot be condoned.

Bush et al seem to suggest that this attack was the greatest assault on democracy, liberty and human rights. Yet these guys were willing to flood Africa with arms, refused to stop the trade in small arms and thus fuelled the genocide which has killed at least four million Africans in the past few years. Obviously black lives are worthless in the sick game of international diplomacy. Added to this is the West's support for the ethnic cleansing on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, the bombing of civilians in Sudan, Afghanistan and Somalia, the denial of refugee rights, the punitive sanctions on Iraq, etc. Blair and Bush are also perpetrators of violence, which in terms of lives lost far outweighs yesterday's atrocities.

Turning to DSEI, it is the arms dealers, politicians and armies (including terrorists) that have brought these crimes against innocent people to our world. These are the main instigators of violence against civilians and I hope that the protests help to bring the West's hypocrisy to light.

Dan Brett
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What the Fuck are you on about?

12.09.2001 12:27

"Capitalism took a big hit yesterday".
Actually yesterday was very successful for one branch of capitalism - the movement reponsible for carrying out this atrocity. Anyone who has anything positive to say about these attacks is no different from the cheerleaders for America's attacks, the same hypocriscy, the same selective sympathy, the same selective condemnation.
The people killed in the W.T.C. were not my enemies, so the issue of rejoicing at their deaths does not arise, the people killed there were mostly the same people killed in any war, the ordinary Joe Bloggs doing his day's work.
Why is your attitude to this not the same as your attitude to the bombing of Belgrade or Baghdad?
Why protest at an arms fair and be happy about seeing the World Trade Centre (where 50,000 people work)destroyed.
What is the difference between what has now been done in New York and what the American government has done around the world? Oh and BTW there is nothing "male" about being "gratified" at the thought of the destruction of two buildings with thousands of people inside.
Yesterday was a disastor, first thousands of people were killed (working class people on the whole), and then this will be used as a pretext for further violence on the part of the U.S. (with probably a larger death toll), for repression in the U.S. (which will face our people there) and will whip up anti-Arab racism - with more innocent victims, just ordinary people like you and me.
If this happened in London or any other city in the U.K. who do you think would have died, maybe people you know, maybe people you love, maybe you? Would you have had a good word to say about Hitler's Blitz (unless I'm mistaken the Palace did get hit).

NO WAR BETWEEN RACES, NO PEACE BETWEEN CLASSES!

Free Earth
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Thank fuck someone is thinking!!

12.09.2001 14:53

I saw many reactions from the people around me to the attacks in the US yesterday. What worried me was the sense of justification that pervaded in the comments of people who don't even have a true stand on capitalist or other issues. "They had it comming" seems to paraphrase it.
Thank fuck that someone at earthfirst is thinking clearly. I don't want to see the death of anyone, people are not the enemy, it's an ideology I oppose.
The destruction we saw yesterday is being palmed off as an attack on the "free world" and will only serve to strengthen the ideologies that create division in the world - between rich and poor, have's and have not's, between the fundamentalists across the globe etc etc….
The loss of the WTC buildings is seen as "an attack on the democratic world" and will simply increase its value in the psyche of that democracy. The "need" to defend ourselves against similar attacks will lead to even more security measures in the UK as well as USA.... ....and so the wheel turns.
Personaly I belive that recent events are symptomatic of the way our democracy behaves in the world at large and wish I could be at the arms fair demo with you all. Keep up the voice of the people and dont lose track of what it is we are opposing!!

Love'n'shit J


Maurice


ooops..

12.09.2001 15:04

...Sorry I meant someone at ErthFree was thinking!!

maurice


aufwedesen

12.09.2001 16:32

but seriously it wud be two faced and hypocritical of me, to express sorrow at wat has happened, i am totally indifferent to wat iz happenin in america, just as i am also indifferent to wat is happenin anywhereelse in the world. many people are sick of the falseness, corniness and cliched story which is unfoldin before our eyes. i as an ordinary member of the public have done nuffink wrong, yet i must now face the prospect of shrivelled up warmongers and neo nazi despots pushing buttons and destroyin this earth. i cannot retreat to my own personal bunker or pay for a shuttle to the moon. the so called democrathick west are talkin of retribution, i think there wud be no need for retribution if the west and the usa had not financed and propped up these foreign neonazi terrorist fanatic despots in the first place, the west financed funded and supported these lunatics in the first place, pakistan a close neighbour of afganistan has nuclear capabilities sold to them by the west, iraq has biological and nuclear weapons courtesy of the usa and the west. the real perpetrators of this act are the westeren arms dealers whove sold these ultra right wing muslim fanatic despot regiemes arms. well im selling up and headin for papua gunea to join the other refugees from west backed neonazi right wing despots, its far away from the uk and the usa who are sure to be targets if this whole purile nonsense escalates.

thora turd


Pesimistic?

14.09.2001 12:52

Ironic though, isn't it, that the same capitalist democracy is the one that provides the framework for us to 'rebel'. Social security and all that, the very machines we are sitting at now, without capitalism how could we be here having this conversation?

What would Darwin think?

Probably things will just continue on in this fashion until some disaster man made or not comes along and outs an end to it all…

The wheel turns…. ….make the most of your ride!

Maurice