Middle class or working class?
Socialist Standard | 31.07.2001 12:46
From the August 2001 issue of the Socialist Standard, journal of the Socialist Party Of Great Britain (libertarian socialists, not authoritarians despite their name!)
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I didn't have time to read the article but...
31.07.2001 15:07
James Walinck
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Re:Middle Class or Working Class
31.07.2001 20:51
But....it's not that simple.Whilst I earn a reasonably good salary of £9 an hour, I'm on a temporary contract of a week's notice.My employer's wouldn't treat me like that but the fear is always there!.
Yes i'd be the first to admit that I talk with a posh accent but have heard all the stories from my parents over the years about how it feels to grow up in poverty.
My position in life plus the length of my hair has allowed me to escape the worst excesses of Homophobia-having said that-I've been forced out working with children and been verbally abused on the streets twice.
Tiocfadh Ar La
(If you don't understand get someone Irish to translate)
Claire
fuck the middle classes
31.07.2001 23:51
angry
Dear Angry
01.08.2001 11:28
So if Middle Class people like me can't go on demos does that men can't support women's fight for equality, white people can't fight racism and my straight friends can't oppose section 28?.
Anyway unless you know people on the demo how do you know what class they are?.
Your opinion is just one among a wide range that working class people(my parents included) have of Genoa.
Claire
Police State Divisions
01.08.2001 13:16
Crime is not spiralling out of control, there is no State of Emergency or Civil War going on, so what possible legitimacy is there for allowing police to impose on-the- spot curfews within our communities, and why are we allowing this Draconian measure to be enforced on our innocent youngsters?
Teenagers out after dark tend to just hang out with pals on street corners, maybe smoke some weed, because they are bored and there are no decent facilities in their neighbourhoods, none that ‘working class’ kids can afford anyway. Any commiting petty crimes are likely to be feeding a ‘smack’ habit. Legalise drugs and that problem will vanish, and we can focus on rehabilitating kids on hard drugs, not criminalising them.
PC Dixon
What matters?
01.08.2001 15:46
Someone else
to anger
01.08.2001 16:13
The original article was a wonderfully written piece that quite obviously was intended not to be presented to an audience of third world sweatshop workers to try to get them to appreciate the "middle" class (i hate that term - it implies that that class of people is somewhere close to directly inbetween the incomes of the lower and upper classes... which is nowhere near the truth - the rich classes are far far wealthier than the "middle" class, much more so than the "middle" class is richer than the poor). This article was obviously written with a "middle" class audience in mind - in attempt to break through some of the brainwashing that they are continually subjected to that tells them that they are somehow removed from the working class, to induce solidarity with the lower classes (instead of the media-enforced solidarity with the elite rich.)
Anger, in his response to this, sounds like he wishes the movement against capitalism to be crippled. The poor and the sick are too tired and busy trying to survive to mount an effective struggle... Solidarity is a necessity...
kayoss
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Mate, are you..
01.08.2001 17:00
Chill out :-)
Middle class people think and behave in the ways that they do because that's all they've ever known. If you were born middle class then that's how you'll usually grow up.
And if people aspire to be better than the people below them then that's only because we're insecure. It's human nature.
Please don't hate people. Hate the system.
The middle classes just can't get it right with you can they? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
If they don't protest in Genoa then they're selfish and don't care about the working class, if they do then they're spoilt middle class hippies who shouldn't bother. Well that's hardly fair is it?
They're mostly alright people. OK if they were saints then they'd renounce their wealth and give it all to charity. But would you honestly do that? No one's perfect.
Richard Smith
wealth
02.08.2001 19:08
what more do middle class people want?
they won their revolution and have managed to sustain it ever since.
the middle class are welcome to protest at globilisation, as long as they don't lay down the rules for protest ie. non violence is the only answer. it quite clearly never has been the only answer, just one of many.
or maybe the guillotine was a non violent solution.
do the middle class ever read history?
the working class have the potential but not the means or the wealth.
all wealth should be collectivised for the common good
not wealthy