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Middle class or working class?

Socialist Standard | 31.07.2001 12:46

From the August 2001 issue of the Socialist Standard, journal of the Socialist Party Of Great Britain (libertarian socialists, not authoritarians despite their name!)

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I didn't have time to read the article but...

31.07.2001 15:07

we're all bourgeois now.

James Walinck
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Re:Middle Class or Working Class

31.07.2001 20:51

I come from a nice middle class background, have just passed a Msc at one of the top universities in the country and enjoy shopping at Waitrose.

But....it's not that simple.Whilst I earn a reasonably good salary of £9 an hour, I'm on a temporary contract of a week's notice.My employer's wouldn't treat me like that but the fear is always there!.

Yes i'd be the first to admit that I talk with a posh accent but have heard all the stories from my parents over the years about how it feels to grow up in poverty.


My position in life plus the length of my hair has allowed me to escape the worst excesses of Homophobia-having said that-I've been forced out working with children and been verbally abused on the streets twice.

Tiocfadh Ar La
(If you don't understand get someone Irish to translate)

Claire


fuck the middle classes

31.07.2001 23:51

Why bother talking about how poor the rich are this article sucks . Middle class people mostly aspire to being better than those beneath them (there may be a few exceptions Che Geuvara and Fidel Castro spring to mind ). These people do not deserve any sympathy. too many serious issues are hijacked by these wankas who are essentially here to day gone tomorrow RACIST FUCKING SELLOUTS WHO PRETEND TO CARE . If you want an example lok at the anti-slavery bandwagon in the USA and how this and serious civil rights issues have been abandoned or hijacked by the middle classes. All I can say is that this article is inspired by middle class guilt THEY wanted this system and now they can't cope because they are scared of the tables being turned. Oh how fucking awful that their cars might get stuck in traffic. WAKE UP MOST OF THE WORLD CAN'T EAT LET ALONE FIND AN INCOME TO RUN A CAR. BLOW THIS PILE OF CRAP OUT YOUR FUCKING ARSE MIDDLE CLASS DREAMER AND TO THOSE MIDDLE CLASS WANKA AIRHEADS WHO GOT BEATEN IN GENOA SERVES YOU FUCKERS RIGHT AND I BET THAT'S YOUR LAST DEMO.

angry


Dear Angry

01.08.2001 11:28

I imagine if you were a worker in the third world you'd be pretty happy that people cared enough about your welfare to risk getting battered and raped, you wouldn't care too much about what class they were!.

So if Middle Class people like me can't go on demos does that men can't support women's fight for equality, white people can't fight racism and my straight friends can't oppose section 28?.

Anyway unless you know people on the demo how do you know what class they are?.

Your opinion is just one among a wide range that working class people(my parents included) have of Genoa.

Claire


Police State Divisions

01.08.2001 13:16

The government are introducing a nine o’clock curfew for 'working class' children under the age of fifteen. This criminalises all children before they have even thought of commiting a crime, if indeed they were ever intending too. This presupposes that all children out late are potentially likely to break one of the many laws, which suffocates and stifles our human rights and liberties.

Crime is not spiralling out of control, there is no State of Emergency or Civil War going on, so what possible legitimacy is there for allowing police to impose on-the- spot curfews within our communities, and why are we allowing this Draconian measure to be enforced on our innocent youngsters?

Teenagers out after dark tend to just hang out with pals on street corners, maybe smoke some weed, because they are bored and there are no decent facilities in their neighbourhoods, none that ‘working class’ kids can afford anyway. Any commiting petty crimes are likely to be feeding a ‘smack’ habit. Legalise drugs and that problem will vanish, and we can focus on rehabilitating kids on hard drugs, not criminalising them.


PC Dixon


What matters?

01.08.2001 15:46

Does it matter what label/stereotype someone puts on you? I think it's more important to know what a person is like and how they feel. Often if you take this attitude, you can find some common ground with even white middle-class Tory voters. Isn't this what the brotherhood of man is about?

Someone else


to anger

01.08.2001 16:13

Why do you wish to divide the working classes into various classes thus splintering what could be a unified front against those who make the rules which opress?

The original article was a wonderfully written piece that quite obviously was intended not to be presented to an audience of third world sweatshop workers to try to get them to appreciate the "middle" class (i hate that term - it implies that that class of people is somewhere close to directly inbetween the incomes of the lower and upper classes... which is nowhere near the truth - the rich classes are far far wealthier than the "middle" class, much more so than the "middle" class is richer than the poor). This article was obviously written with a "middle" class audience in mind - in attempt to break through some of the brainwashing that they are continually subjected to that tells them that they are somehow removed from the working class, to induce solidarity with the lower classes (instead of the media-enforced solidarity with the elite rich.)

Anger, in his response to this, sounds like he wishes the movement against capitalism to be crippled. The poor and the sick are too tired and busy trying to survive to mount an effective struggle... Solidarity is a necessity...

kayoss
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Mate, are you..

01.08.2001 17:00

..pissed off because your dad gets more pussy than you?

Chill out :-)


Middle class people think and behave in the ways that they do because that's all they've ever known. If you were born middle class then that's how you'll usually grow up.

And if people aspire to be better than the people below them then that's only because we're insecure. It's human nature.

Please don't hate people. Hate the system.

The middle classes just can't get it right with you can they? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
If they don't protest in Genoa then they're selfish and don't care about the working class, if they do then they're spoilt middle class hippies who shouldn't bother. Well that's hardly fair is it?

They're mostly alright people. OK if they were saints then they'd renounce their wealth and give it all to charity. But would you honestly do that? No one's perfect.

Richard Smith


wealth

02.08.2001 19:08

all wealth should be collectivised for the common good.

what more do middle class people want?
they won their revolution and have managed to sustain it ever since.

the middle class are welcome to protest at globilisation, as long as they don't lay down the rules for protest ie. non violence is the only answer. it quite clearly never has been the only answer, just one of many.

or maybe the guillotine was a non violent solution.

do the middle class ever read history?

the working class have the potential but not the means or the wealth.

all wealth should be collectivised for the common good

not wealthy