major sections of the globe, like most of the third world, doesn't see it this way, nor do the First Americans of my circles, nor many cyberatti, nor many working people, nor most people who have reached middle age.

Many of us think its about people, not the system. we need to get rid of bosses, yes we do. But I don't hear a big swell for the forced socialization- not for a long long while. Because poor peoples aren't ready to forsake achievements until, by the fruits of their labor, they have honestly gotten what they desire. And man will always desire, get that through your hairshirts.

This does not preclude living easy on the land, but there is nothing requiring a socialist end, no human psychology that can point to it.

Socialism is merely what we name it before it is born. what we think, from our limited view, it might look like.

We will all be surprised.

But human nature will be with us still, in all its complexity and variation. There will always be children who would rule the world.

The above contribution, with it's ill thought out and pointless slogaising and the vanguardist pretentions (we need more fuckin' leaders like we need holes in the head), just shows why the left are an irrelevance in the struggle against capitalism.