People like you do the movement immeasurable harm. In my opinion you are a young man, probably rather spoilt, with a lot of testosterone flooding your veins trying to find somewhere to channel it. How will causing ah hour or so of mild chaos and getting arrested help sweat shop workers in India? The 'corporate' media can be very irresponsible but if you target them as an enemy you will achieve a lot less than if you work with them to get your point across. Unless the workers of the world agree with your aims they are not going to join in any revolution. I suggest you take up an active sport - or how about spending all that energy in charity work? If you think violence is fun you clearly have never really witnessed it.
I'm sorry but I didn`t really understand what you were on about. What movement was this again? I don't like criticising people byt you clearly haven't thought about what yo said. About the logs covering motorways: When was the last time you saw a motorway that just happened to have forest a few feet from the hard sholder? And why cut down all these trees? They'll only be cleared away in a couple of hours. And, basically, anyone advocating environmental destruction at this stage of evolution can fuck off. Why is communication between the media and `the movement` so bad? If we don't communicate we end up getting what we do everytime there is a riot - fucking lies without politics or motives.
this has to be a plant right? i mean i know there are some guys who are in it just to cause havoc and some people may agree with some of his statements. but suggesting we should call out fire trucks when they could be out saving lifes!!! whatever extreme measures you think are justifiable, killing innocent locals is not one of them! cutting down trees when half our movement is green!!! attacking the mass media directly, thats really going to help publicise our movement!!! i think the best one is the suggestion that we dont harm or take hostage agent provocators, i mean all this chaos he advocates and the way he doesnt seem to give a toss about our media image and then he says we should do our upmost to protect this bunch of fuckwits (i dont like to swear but i think its justified here) who i know we all hate so much!!! the contradictions, the oversimplicity, the blatent lack of comprehension for actual issues, all leads me to one conclusion. this article is a plant or some people actually believe this crap and we're in more trouble than we thought!
Criticism and debate and: tactics. you go on condemning each other, the state and media play divide and rule, corporations go on with their empty PR. I say that whatever is happening, a new wave of conciousness or whatever- expression will manifest itself in different ways, lets think of some good ideas, get more converts. its very interesting studying papers like the guardian as they demonise protesters sometimes and other times advocate activism? I say klein and monbiot are better than nothing though i guess others might argue not..although clare short and gordons browns rage against the coming potential of protesters was predictable and blind of course. Whatever, peace friends, fight against their lies and lets stand up for the exploited billions.
Ok, so smash and run not the best tactic (and point 12... hmmm, does sound like an add on plant, and maybe the 'chainsaw lets cut down trees' (idiot!) comment will appear on ch4 news or in the media as 'look what the protestor websites are saying now'... etc) but perhaps the suggestions of physical locations are valid. Substitute creative action / theatre / peaceful blockade / media action and get thinking!
Instead of watching a macdonalds or whatever get trashed on a demo why not make a huge long / high banner saying "CLOSED BY THE PEOPLE" and physically blocking the entrance with it - people could go inside and tell staff / customers what was happening and advise them to leave or something. Similar things could be done with stickers or large posters. Same effect in stopping trade, only no money pump on the insurance boat, no arguement about trashings, no bad press for trashing and would make a great picture for the corporate media vultures who'd no doubt be waiting there anyway.
And re the corporate media - let's face it they are sooo part of the problem - just look at all the absolute LIES and propoganda printed in the run up to May Day (but yes of course you also want them to sometimes carry news of your campaign) - so again think about it, there are so many possibilities... evening actions give the possibility to project images onto corp media buildings giving the real news, erect large graffiti walls alongside for people to write their own news on, set up public access internet points outside of them, make an action where all staff leaving the building are confronted by scores of 'journalists' wanting interviews about the bias of the corporate media or misreporting of this or that event, taking pictures and filming them etc etc
Setting off fire alarms to block a street with units!! You stupid fuck... The more peaceful protests we have on a large scale, the louder our voice will become. Papers are too quick to voice the 'vandalism'. Joe Public doesn't understand why the windows of McDonalds get smashed. A large sign across the front will inform him more than a newspaper headline.
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use your nous
04.07.2001 16:13
The 'corporate' media can be very irresponsible but if you target them as an enemy you will achieve a lot less than if you work with them to get your point across. Unless the workers of the world agree with your aims they are not going to join in any revolution.
I suggest you take up an active sport - or how about spending all that energy in charity work? If you think violence is fun you clearly have never really witnessed it.
Huayna
What?
04.07.2001 19:32
About the logs covering motorways: When was the last time you saw a motorway that just happened to have forest a few feet from the hard sholder? And why cut down all these trees? They'll only be cleared away in a couple of hours. And, basically, anyone advocating environmental destruction at this stage of evolution can fuck off.
Why is communication between the media and `the movement` so bad? If we don't communicate we end up getting what we do everytime there is a riot - fucking lies without politics or motives.
Spaniel MO
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wake up!!!!!!!
04.07.2001 20:10
euan
yes.
04.07.2001 20:31
you go on condemning each other, the state and media play divide and rule, corporations go on with their empty PR. I say that whatever is happening, a new wave of conciousness or whatever- expression will manifest itself in different ways, lets think of some good ideas, get more converts. its very interesting studying papers like the guardian as they demonise protesters sometimes and other times advocate activism? I say klein and monbiot are better than nothing though i guess others might argue not..although clare short and gordons browns rage against the coming potential of protesters was predictable and blind of course. Whatever, peace friends, fight against their lies and lets stand up for the exploited billions.
human
just search and replace
05.07.2001 11:19
Instead of watching a macdonalds or whatever get trashed on a demo why not make a huge long / high banner saying "CLOSED BY THE PEOPLE" and physically blocking the entrance with it - people could go inside and tell staff / customers what was happening and advise them to leave or something. Similar things could be done with stickers or large posters. Same effect in stopping trade, only no money pump on the insurance boat, no arguement about trashings, no bad press for trashing and would make a great picture for the corporate media vultures who'd no doubt be waiting there anyway.
And re the corporate media - let's face it they are sooo part of the problem - just look at all the absolute LIES and propoganda printed in the run up to May Day (but yes of course you also want them to sometimes carry news of your campaign) - so again think about it, there are so many possibilities... evening actions give the possibility to project images onto corp media buildings giving the real news, erect large graffiti walls alongside for people to write their own news on, set up public access internet points outside of them, make an action where all staff leaving the building are confronted by scores of 'journalists' wanting interviews about the bias of the corporate media or misreporting of this or that event, taking pictures and filming them etc etc
kreative
Fools rush in...
05.07.2001 15:04
You stupid fuck...
The more peaceful protests we have on a large scale, the louder our voice will become. Papers are too quick to voice the 'vandalism'. Joe Public doesn't understand why the windows of McDonalds get smashed. A large sign across the front will inform him more than a newspaper headline.
Snoo