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the future of anti-capitalism? a dictatorship...

Marcus Sky | 10.05.2001 14:56

the year is 2020...

Marcus Sky
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You've lost me.

10.05.2001 17:55

Marcus - you've lost me mate.
Please return to explain your argument. What are you saying - that a dictatorship is the eventual outcome of anti-capitalism? Or that it's the best option?

Whilst we're on the subject, what's so wrong about socialism? I don't have the figures to hand, but Cuba, which is more socialist than communist, only grows organic crops, kicks out infinetly less pollution than most countries and still has a better level of public health than America.

Alright, it's not perfect, but can you better it?

Confused of Ipswich.


Invisible (black) hand

10.05.2001 19:02

To remove the top deck of the class ship titanic is the 1st priority,there must be a quick death for the present dictatorship of corrupt crony capitalism.This can and will be international as the problems are.
Solidarity is key in this struggle and ruthless assasination of napoleons,lenins and assorted warlords that want to have a go.This will not be pleasant but dying like a hard boiled frog
wouldnt be either.
The war of the flea is about to become the swarm of the bee.
there is only one empire left and conditions are promising for its deconstruction.global warming brings long and very hot summers.Time for dictatorships of all stripes to go,last drinks gentlemen and ladies!M.A.M

proffr@fuckmicrosoft.com


how to save our world and ourselves =;-)

11.05.2001 01:39


Be true to yourself and this earth shall be free

Hi Marcus - in some ways I see what your saying but I'd like to bring you a different perspective,

Sure there is something dictatorial about the way we take direct action rather than passively acquiesce in current set-up -in that we are asserting our realities above those of the spectacle. This 'dictatorial' aspect of our activism is what has been referred to in the past as the 'dictatorship of the proletariat'. In that, by the taking decisive actions we are imposing our multiple realities upon the dominant capitalist organised consensus. But I think this is OK in so far as we are the class that is seeking to abolish the class system.

By collectively refusing to follow our roles as passive workers and consumers in the environmentally and humanly destructive process of production and reproduction of a monetary value system, we can create the necessary magical moments so the that we can each at last see our own individual hearts desires. If people were free to realise their personal hearts desire as the ways to reconstruct our world, I reckon that we would be able to restore our harmony as a species with the planetary process.

In that, if people had the courage to assert their true choices, they would in general choose the pleasure of the gardens above those of the factory or the motorway. The only 'higher duty' for the activist communities is to facilitate the awaking of the rest of the population from the dreamtime of global capital - not to try and form a permanent or institutionalised powerstructures like those of the Leninists which simply perpetuate dominate forms of power relationships.

The key to resolving the environmental crisis is through resolving the social impass which humanity has gotten itself into. Which is why poverty really is key issue. The desperate lack and misery of poverty causes individuals to often act in a shortsighted, environmentally and self-destructive way.

We hold a New World in our hearts

This garden of earthy delights can be a common treasury for all.

All power to the imagination

Venceremos - blessed be =:-)

ingobernable


Yes, I want a dictatorship....

11.05.2001 11:59

But not a dictatorship of the proletariat. And certainly not a dictatorship run by some guy in a military uniform telling us all what to do.
I want a dictatorship - I want to be able to dictate to myself what I should do, and be free to do it.
Yes, a dictatorship is the necessary result of the anti-capitalist movement, and the necessary result of direct action, but it is an individual dictatorship.

Be your own dictator!

jamie


scapegoating

11.05.2001 15:24

Dictatorships are not just run by one person. You must be suffering from delusions of grandeur, or are just taking the piss.

tom read
mail e-mail: monkey_fodder@hotmail.com


Fascism

11.05.2001 16:35

Wasn't it something along these lines that led to the rise of fascism in Italy in the 1920s-40s? Mussolini was a member (and leader correct me if I am wrong) of the same Communist Party as Gramsci was.

Frustration and assumption that one is right and everyone else must follow is the oil that helps you slip into your tight jackboots and go marching off looking for places to conquor!

%-)


taking the piss....

11.05.2001 17:20

Just to confirm for Tom Read - yes, I'm taking the piss! Just thought it might be a nice way of pointing out to author of the article that, as far as I can see, the one thing almost everyone involved in the anti-capitalist movement at the moment can agree on is that individuals need more freedom. The idea of any kind of dictatorship being a possitive solution to the current situation is ridiculous. There's only one person that I feel has a right to tell me what to do, and to impose their views on me, and thats me!
On a slightly more serious note - (referring to the Mussolini/Gramsci thing), articles like this one are probably going to start becoming more common, as people see that direct action is starting to show real possibilities for change. Lots of people are going to try and jump on and start giving orders, start forcing people into their own mould of how the future should be, etc.. All I can suggest is that we all keep an eye out for them, and stop them before they turn the best chance of improving the world into just another opportunity for people to get dressed up in occult uniforms, salute eachother and kill people wearing different uniforms. The lack of hierarchy or 'leaders' is a strength that we shouldn't let dissappear.

jamie


Re.Jamie "Taking the piss"

12.05.2001 10:09

Yeah, I'll second the comment directly above.

As far as I can see the only way to keep the anti-globalisation movement going strong without being subverted is to allow everyone to voice their opinions, whilst not allowing people to claim they speak for the movement as a whole.

This shouldn't need to be a weakness, it's a strength. It shows people that we're in favour of real democracy, not consensus politics that cater to the lowest common denominator.

Tinman.


prat?!

12.05.2001 19:47

rubbish!

aristotle