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The Case of the Great PeacePalestine Petition Swindle

AZvsAS | 15.02.2008 00:33 | Anti-racism | Palestine | London | South Coast

Recently a petition appeared on the PeacePalestine blog. But is it all it seems?

Recently a petition appeared on notorious anti-Semitic site PeacePalestine.

 http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/


The amusing thing about their exercise is the obvious misdirections, deceptions, manipulations and duplicity it displays.

Firstly it implies that Rizzo and Atzmon are being hounded by Zionists. This they know to be a lie. Which they indirectly admit by usage of the phrase "They have been attacked by Zionists for a long time, but they are also being attacked by certain other people who are in the movement for Palestine.”

So why all the hoohah about Zionism if it isn't Zionists attacking them? The only conclusion can be a deception. To the uninformed reader it looks like they are signing a petition against Zionist false charges of anti-Semitism. The people carrying out the campaign are declared anti-Zionists.

The text makes an appeal for solidarity with "two outstanding personalities who are also great fighters for the implementation of freedom and liberty to all the subjugated peoples of the world", well all except the collective 'Untermenschen' ("subhumans") under the 3rd Reich.

Their appeal startlingly fails to address what they are being charged with: anti-Semitism and the distribution of Holocaust Denial literature.


Witnesses for the Defence

Now instead of issuing more condemnation we shall let the players concerned speak for themselves on their innocence:


Gilad Atzmon:

"'I'm not going to say whether it is right or not to burn down a synagogue, I can see that it is a rational act."

"the Jewish state and the sons of Israel are at least as unpopular in the Middle East as their grandparents were in Europe just six decades ago. Seemingly, it is the personification of WW2 and the Holocaust that blinded the Israelis and their supporters from internalising the real meaning of the conditions and the events that led towards their destruction in the first place."

"The idea that Zionists have taken over America might sound bizarre in the first instance but we must remember that this kind of strange scenario does happen."

“we must begin to take the accusation that the Jewish people are trying to control the world very seriously…. …. American Jewry makes any debate on whether the ‘Protocols of theelder of Zion’ are an authentic document or rather a forgery irrelevant. American Jews do try to control the world, by proxy… I would suggest that perhaps we should face it onceand for all: the Jews were responsible for the killing of Jesus who, by the way, was himself a Palestinian Jew.”

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Atzmon#Other_work

 http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20files/saying%20NO.htm

 http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20files/protocols.html

 http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20files/onanti.html

 http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=1559


And here is a site that is linked on Rizzo's Peace Palestine (in the links down the left of the site):

 http://www.nowarforisrael.com/


It's run by the KKK a.k.a David Duke


Administrative Contact:
Manager, Domain  webmaster@davidduke.com
PO Box 188
Mandeville, LA 70470
US
985-626-7714

 http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=nowarforisrael.com


And if you are new to this topic and don't know who David Duke is:

 http://www.davidduke.com/general/no-war-for-israel_4.html

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke


This has been known to her for over a month and here is her reaction to a complaint:

“Oh, Didn't know No War For Israel was Duke's site, if it indeed is. Seems you know a lot more about Duke than I do. But, please, don't let facts stand in the way of your preconceived ideas about the racism of my blog. Carry on.”

 http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2008/01/12/hilarity_at_peacepalestine.php


So concerned has Rizzo been about this 'oversight' that the link is still there.


Character witnesses

The sham petition exercise then shoots itself in the foot spectacularly:


"We declare that he [Mr Greenstein] does not speak for us or in our names when he attacks these and other activists."


Now, let's hear from some esteemed friends and supporters from the list of signatories speak in defence of their friends' good character:


Paul Eisen:

'Ernst Zundel was once involved in the publication of a book called The Hitler We Loved and Why, but Ernst Zundel was not the only German who loved Hitler and is probably not the only German who still loves Hitler. Millions of Germans loved Hitler who for twelve years impacted on them as no German has or probably ever will, and, though they never sayso, must, deep down still cherish his memory.’

 http://www.zundelsite.org/zundel_persecuted/may20-05_eisen.html


Note who is being discussed and is hosting this article, Ernst Zuendel:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel


Atzmon distributed this very "great text" from his mailing list and describes its author as his "friend"


(Editor's note: Eisen was great choice to write this piece as his depth of understanding of the 3rd Reich seems to stop just short of knowing that Hitler was Austrian and not German.)



Radical Free Press, Canada

Where do you start with this vile cesspit of racial hatred? Well here's just a taster:


"HOW DO WE STOP THE JEWISH CONTROL OF AMERICA?

Here are 3 options:

* Convert to Judaism and be part of the Single-Party political system in America.

* Convert to Judaism and be part of the Jewish-Takeover of former Christian America.

* Don’t convert to Judaism. Instead call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to grow a revival of Christianity in America.

~Only when America is a Christian nation once again will the Jews lose their power to lead us all by our noses as sheep to the slaughter!"

 http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=681#more-681


But be sure to check out the edifying topics such as:

# Jewish Banking Cartel (83)

# Jewish Holocaust Industry (78)

# Jewish Lobby (113)

# Jewish Media Monopoly (106)

# Jewish Porn Industry (51)

# Jews (149)

# Jews Behind Bolshevik Revolution (47)

 http://www.radicalpress.com/


You will be unsurprised to learn that the site is under investigation by the Anti-Hate Team of the Canadian Human Rights Comission:

 http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=629


Here is Rizzo's response to a complaint about the blatantly racist site:

“The webmaster, who is not even the author of the piece wrote me telling me they were a site that was anti-Zionist and defended Palestinian rights. “

 http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=1706#comment-42889


In case the signature and link disappear their existence is recorded here:

 https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/02/391057.html


Hmm, sounds like a couple of people who “we know well” that also peddle racism and claim they are just “anti-Zionists” and that they “defend Palestinian rights”. Makes you wonder if they see one as a pre-requisite for the other.


Wendy Campbell:

"The Holocaust has been made into more of a religious dogma than historical fact, since there exists no original source materials to back up their claims which are all based on conflicting eye-witnesses. "

 http://www.countercurrents.org/campbell240108.htm


Look at:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Campbell

In case you missed it she is also associated with IHR:

 http://www.ihr.org/


They still openly disseminate the long discredited fraudulent Leuchter Report that concludes:

“After a thorough examination of the alleged execution facilities in Poland and their associated crematories, the only conclusion that can be arrived at by a rational, responsible person is the absurdity of the notion that any of these facilities were ever capable of, or were utilized as, execution gas chambers.“

 http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/inside.shtml


And offer some real gems that are a companion to any anti-racists library:

Out-Of-Print Books

*

Keith Stimely's Revisionist Bibliography — 1981
*

Theodore Kaufman's Germany Must Perish!
*

Paul Rassinier's The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses (former title: "Debunking the Genocide Myth")
*

David Hoggan's The Myth of the Six Million
*

Michael Connor's Dealing in Hate
*

The Zionist Terror Network

Current Books

*

Richard Harwood's Did Six Million Really Die?
*

Ernst Zündel's 'False News' Trial of 1988
*

Fred Leuchter's Forensic Examination and Engineering Report on the alleged Nazi gassing facilities at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek (aka The Leuchter Report)

 http://www.ihr.org/main/booksonline.shtml



Duplicity

You will note that the large volume of their text isn't about the two individuals concerned. It sidesteps the case against them completely, thus lending the impression that their support for Palestine is the issue. Instead it comprises largely a sizable rant about Zionism; a short bit about Rizzo and Atzmon with no background to the issues whatsoever; and then comes the worst misdirection: it interpolates a call for solidarity with the people in Gaza.

So what exactly are people signing up for? Support for holocaust denial and anti-Semitism? A polemic against Zionism? Or outrage at the dreadful situation in Gaza?

It is impossible to determine since the plea makes a hash of them all, but given the scant focus on the two people mentioned and the charges against them, they cannot honestly claim all those numbers as supporters.

We will leave the reader now fully equipped with a representational summary to decide whether the charges stated are true or false.

AZvsAS
- Homepage: http:// http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/02/case-of-great-peacepalestine-petition.html

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