I've been thinking that coming into the final months before GlenEagles that the focus of the Dissent recruitment drive should probably be on those who have already taken up the 'Make Poverty History' banner. In a non-patronising way I feel it makes sense to approach the groups already heading up to Scotland and tell them about the reasons for directly opposing the summit rather than lobbying it, with the hopeful consequence that a number of them may decide to stay around after the MPH march for the real chance to make (a small but not insignificant) part of history.

should Lothian and Borders police now be on the invite list?

This is part of a classic divide and rule strategy, Gordon Brown has encouraged people to march on the MPH demo and so now are the cops. This is so they can claim that the 'good' protestors on the MPH demo are pro-government while the likely smaller numbers at the summit in the week are 'bad protestors', you know the 'violent foreign baby-eating anarchists'.

In reality, loads of people are doing both, but reality doesn't seem to deter our wonderful leaders; WMD anyone? I'll make sure I'm wearing my white Make Poverty History armband as I blockade the summit then.

Well, I certainly don't have a problem promoting both the MPH demo and the Dissent! mobilisation. I happen to have just finished an MPH stall where I promoted Dissent! at least 3 times, once to someone involved in WaterAid.

The fact is, Make Poverty History is a good thing, not a bad thing, even if its still rather feeble. If people aren't going to Edinburgh at all, we should be pleading with them to go on the Make Poverty History protest, and if they're going on July 2nd, we should encourage them to stick around longer.

Make Poverty History offers a solid solution to 80% of Global Economic problems today, however, it just doesn't say anything about the political or even local economic problem (although Fairtrade is supported, and thats *A* solution). Besides, I drink CafeDirect one day and Cafe Rebellde the next. (The Zapatista Stuff tastes better, but its only available ground). If Make Poverty History suceeds, third world education will rise, and as we know, education of the masses is very bad news for capitalism.

Rebel W

Ok, you have your rucus with the police. A few of you get arrested, others injured as well. Next day your actions are denounced by all the tabloids, and the rest of the corporate press paints you in a bad light. The public are then outraged by your actions, which leads to support to crackdowns on civil liberties in an attempt to prevent anymore violence.

If protest is to be successful, should as many people be on board as possible? The masses will be put right off the protest if they are led to think that it's all about the "baby eating anarchist" stereotype.

"Middle finger": May I suggest you head down to your local Boots and buy yourself a pck of razore blades ...but try not to make a mess eh!! As for everyone else -just get to Edinburgh on the 2nd July, it will be brilliant!!

next time you cross the road, don't bother looking.

Whetever or not people involved in the protest will find it "great" and "enjoyable" is irrelevent. Bush, Blair, and company are not going to give up because of a few thousand people protesting, and if it gets hairy they already have the police and army to crush them.

Why do people think this protest will be so wonderful, when nowt is really going to change. Pointless ego-boosting exercise in my opinion....

What, you mean like being a troll?

Belatedly finding this exchange I have to ask; What will be the duty of the Police whan the Monarch delares that Politicians are so corrupt there must be a State of Anarchy?

The way that voters are deserting the polls indicates that that situation could not be far away. When less than half the people in the country vote, then the whole system has been rejected, the Democratic decision then is that there should be something else.

It is not important to abolish poverty, the way they use statistics, that is impossible. What has to be done is that poverty is shared out equally. Lucy Parsons' way is not the only way to do that. Hiding this away down here is unlikely to start a great debate, nor to provoke a trolling exchange. But I intend to post up the question on Indycymru where at least people have to register their e-address before trolling.