On the excellent Pits and Pots http://pitsnpots.co.uk/news/2009/12/english-defence-league-march-stoke ( scroll down to 21/12 15.10 ) this individual uses the tag of Searchlight Fan and claims " Searchlight are a trusted source of information on the British fascist scene, and Lancaster Unity are also great! "
Almost half of all posts on EDL are from this character and they post on almost every other thread, and regularly try to shut down discussion from anyone who has a different POV by shouting TROLL and posting pictures of Trolls
Most active anti-fascists know that Searchlight has both connections with the state ( See Larry O'Hara's work to expose them http://www.searchlight.org.uk/o-hara/index.html ) or speak to any leeds anti fascists who were screwed by Searchlight chief organiser Nick Lowles over the World In Action affair.
But sometimes their politics is ignored. Searchlight are utterly within Stalinist ideology that states that fascism is an aberation (and not as anarchist would argue a varient of capitalism) and a response to fascism is to defend 'democracy' and that means uniting with anyone, the Tories, New Labour and the state and the police against fascists.
So it was Searchlight who called for the ban on EDL in Luton and the state responded with a ban on ALL public demonstrations, that if Vauxhalls workers had needed to demonstrate then, would have banned them too.
And the multi-named Searchlight plant on Indymedia is also playing a game - a game that will backfire on anarchists more than the EDL
the argument s/he uses is that
- the EDL are violent , racist, hooligan, law-breakers, and now 'use terror tactics' i.e. are terrorists
Now, take out racist, and the rest of the accusations are exactly what the politicians use against anarchists/activists
And so what does Demestos/Harpic/TrollDestroya want?
Well apart from attacking anyone with a different POV on fighting fascism they argue for
- More police on the street and state bans!!!
It seems just as Choudary and EDL are part of a game to increase state powers so is Troll Destroya/Demestos and all his or her multi personalities
As i have argued in
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/01/445118.html
and http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/knee-jerk-anti-fascism-and-the-edl/
these tactics do not work in destroying fascism, are not revolutionary and are indeed simply dangerously and deeply reactionary
They have no place on Indymedia or what Indymedia ought to be ;)
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yes...
28.01.2010 13:04
a shadowy charcter, who is either bi-polar on some sort of maniac episode, or just a plant.
methinks this particular troll doth protest too much....
dave
I agree [sort of ]
28.01.2010 14:16
Concerned of gipton [ the real one]
@COG .. fair comment
28.01.2010 14:27
re should this person be 'banned' yes that is a dilemma. while in someways his her motivation may be fine in others it could be dangerous. This is the problem with open source ( and democracy!) On teh one hand they ( if genuine and not dodgy) have a right to their opinions but equally imho they are pumping out too much disinfo and dodgy stuff .. for my liking and trust
D02
i think
28.01.2010 16:20
However racists and facist the EDL are (and i think it would be fair to say *some* of the EDL are facist and *most* are racist) their racism has had nowhere near the same effects as the racist actions of the police or the border agency or the uk government and their decisions on who to bomb.
I want to see the EDL off the streets but I want this to be because of:
1) their support being undermined, those who are angry and get caught up in it or those that do not understand the motives of the EDL or are just mis informed about the issued (by the mainstream media and the EDL).
2)them being physically opposed on the street by a mirriad of people, from blacked up life time antifacists to locals of all backgrounds who would not even see themselves as political but want to protect their communities from the physical presence of the EDL and the stink of their ideas aswell.
You'd be hard pressed to get indymedia support for any new powers, or any use of existing powers, that enable the government to outlaw protest and silence dissent. A lot of people didn't exactly welcome the banning of I4UK despite hating everything they stood for.
Anonarchist
@ Durutti
28.01.2010 16:55
Q1. Do you think that the EDL's +Zionism+ makes them +not racist+?
Q2 .Do you think this article is relevant?
Street politics in Hamburg, 1932-3
http://libcom.org/history/street-politics-hamburg-1932-3
"For the Nazis it was a matter of exploiting class antagonism in the Altstadt in order to reach their objective; before they could take formal hold of power they had first to make sure that at the base, the political, social and cultural and territorial possessions of the working class in their neighbourhoods had been wrested from their control and had been reallocated to themselves as the force most capable of protecting the interests of bourgeois society."
(A)
Homepage: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/01/445118.html?c=on#c241398
@D02 - more info please
28.01.2010 17:50
You say "speak to any leeds anti fascists who were screwed by Searchlight chief organiser Nick Lowles over the World In Action affair".
What is this about? What is the World in Action affair?
Thanks
new to this
Question
28.01.2010 17:53
Questionner
re World in Action and @ questionner
28.01.2010 19:58
A WIA was being made on Welling and Lowles ( working for WIA) secretly filmed anti-fascists in a Leeds AFA meeting talking about using violence, which was then on TV. Why would he do that?
ok i've mentioned Larry O'Hara above as a credible source of info on Searchlight. e.g. http://www.searchlight.org.uk/o-hara/tricks.html
http://libcom.org/library/searchlight-for-beginners-larry-o-hara
You can also try Red Action e.g. http://www.redaction.org/anti-fascism/secrets.html.
Searchlight has been previously exposed by veteran investigative journalist Duncan Campbell in the New Statesman and by Lobster magazine, extensively
or this Searchlight: A Well-Oiled Disinformation Machine ( from the old 'Anarchy' magazine but the link is a fascist one h ttp://w ww.ar yanu nity.co m/redw atcho nline//slie sexp.html )
some interesting links ( amid a load of nationalist cobblers) .. broken link
ht tp://dsp ace.dia l.pip ex.com/finalconflict/a20-2.html.
and by the way a warning; it is important to note that Larry O'Hara, while having done some interesting research (and in terms of Searchlight supported by many other journos and groups) is also famous for making, imho, assumptions based upon circumstantial evidence so e.g. note this ; http://libcom.org/forums/anti-fascism/putting-the-record-straight
and this Lib Com's warning on http://libcom.org/library/searchlight-for-beginners-larry-o-hara
" While the text contains some useful information, it also contains unproved assertions and wild speculation. So while agreeing with the thrust of the text, we would advise readers to approach it with a large pinch of salt."
and @ Questionner
the tags all use the same langauge, same spelling, argue the same position and almost always include the name 'KKKelway' ( with that spelling) when refering to a EDL 'leader' Trevor Kelway. There is a possibility this diferrent people in the same office/group are this person but it is seems pretty clear it is one person and indeed already others above accept this
P.s. tbh i am not a big fan of the secret state stuff conspiracy stuff. I suspect a lot of it is true and much of it is not. You and i will never prove it either way.
It is the politics it comes from that is important. IF you are a typical 'anti-fascist' it is logical that you will want to use the state to attack the fascists as you will see the fascists as worse than the state. And you will attack anarchists and others revolutionaries as they are attacking the state when the state needs support against fascists. It is Searchlights political position that is the issue not whether how much they co-operate with the state, though that is undeniable.
Fascism is part of and comes form capitalism. You can not defend capitalism and unite with the Tories ( see Stoke UAF) or regularly appeal to the state as do Hope Not Hate/Searchlight. All that does is increase the support for fascism by the disempowered and angry. And maybe ( with my tin hat on) that is what the suits want all along!
Conspiracies aside, for us on the ground who are arguing against and trying to fight not just fascism but to empower people, where we live and work, Searchlight and characters like Troll Destroya, Nick Lowles or not, are a distraction at best and a threat and danger to us, at worst.
D02
@anonarchist
28.01.2010 19:59
D02