The Gloucester Arms in Camden was evicted, eventually by the brewery and council following a harrowing experience by residents living near to the pub who had to put up with UDA, nazis, underage drinkers etc. MI5 didn't ask for the pub to be ASBO'd unlike their attack upon the Camden Somali community who have been harrassed by MI5 constantly.
We are asking why MI5 are behaving in this racist way and getting away with it?
Why have they attacked the Somali community in Camden, using appalling methods, gangstalking, threats, harrassment by telephone and in person leading to residents contacting the police, MP Frank Dobson and race realtions groups for help. Neighbours were followed and MI5 used threats to force people to spy upon and inform on each other.
Even Crimestoppers have crticised MI5 and have asked that concerned residents in Camden report MI5 for acting illegally.
Compare this with the saga of the Camden racist pub. This pub, despite openly espousing support for terror and racism was left untouched and free from harrassment by MI5.
Why were the pub not evicted or ASBO'd sooner by the council, police or brewery? Why did we have to resort to a campaign?
Why do we not hear of "MI5 tried to get us to inform on racist / UDA pub" stories?
Why did residents have to put up with loud music until morning for over a year, children being let into the pub where the landlord watched porn and abuse from coyne towards the local community?
Why did MI5 "not know" or care that a UDA nazi nutjob had deliberately bought a former IRA pub which was bound to cause trouble?
Why did they not block the pub getting a license in the first place?
Compare the pub fiasco too with the police in Camden closing a reggae venue, the Oh! Bar and then going into Bar Uno and telling them that if they played reggae they would be shut down. While it is true that a small number of men [who have since been ASBO'd from Camden and didn't live here] fought and caused trouble in Camden they are not representative of an entire community and the banning of reggae in Camden because of them is outrageous. An entie genre of music has been banned and an entire community punished. This is racist policing and needs to be overtuned.
We need to stop this racism from MI5 and the police in Camden and the serious questions around what MI5 are doing, should be doing and are not doing need to be addressed. Is MI5 a racist organisation? It seems so from where we are standing.
Lets keep Camden as the unique People's place it has always been and not an extension of the West End. Bring back the reggae and lets make sure that organised racist groups are kept out....whatever it takes and whoever they are.
Why have they attacked the Somali community in Camden, using appalling methods, gangstalking, threats, harrassment by telephone and in person leading to residents contacting the police, MP Frank Dobson and race realtions groups for help. Neighbours were followed and MI5 used threats to force people to spy upon and inform on each other.
Even Crimestoppers have crticised MI5 and have asked that concerned residents in Camden report MI5 for acting illegally.
Compare this with the saga of the Camden racist pub. This pub, despite openly espousing support for terror and racism was left untouched and free from harrassment by MI5.
Why were the pub not evicted or ASBO'd sooner by the council, police or brewery? Why did we have to resort to a campaign?
Why do we not hear of "MI5 tried to get us to inform on racist / UDA pub" stories?
Why did residents have to put up with loud music until morning for over a year, children being let into the pub where the landlord watched porn and abuse from coyne towards the local community?
Why did MI5 "not know" or care that a UDA nazi nutjob had deliberately bought a former IRA pub which was bound to cause trouble?
Why did they not block the pub getting a license in the first place?
Compare the pub fiasco too with the police in Camden closing a reggae venue, the Oh! Bar and then going into Bar Uno and telling them that if they played reggae they would be shut down. While it is true that a small number of men [who have since been ASBO'd from Camden and didn't live here] fought and caused trouble in Camden they are not representative of an entire community and the banning of reggae in Camden because of them is outrageous. An entie genre of music has been banned and an entire community punished. This is racist policing and needs to be overtuned.
We need to stop this racism from MI5 and the police in Camden and the serious questions around what MI5 are doing, should be doing and are not doing need to be addressed. Is MI5 a racist organisation? It seems so from where we are standing.
Lets keep Camden as the unique People's place it has always been and not an extension of the West End. Bring back the reggae and lets make sure that organised racist groups are kept out....whatever it takes and whoever they are.
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a little victory
30.01.2010 13:08
realantifash
To "real antifash"
30.01.2010 13:48
Somali people in Camden went to the Indepenent newspaper to expose what MI5 were doing. What was happening has been backed up by Frank Dobson MP, Camden Police, Crimestoppers and community centre leaders. Meetings were held in community centres about this so you don't know what you are talking about when you talk about with your "race cliches" and "wild accusations".
As for "being middle class bourgoise" the person writing this was brought up on and still lives in a council house, and you, "real antifash" are not only talking out of your arse but sound more than a bit middle class, Daily Mail and right wing yourself. I'm not an anarchist and I don't own a black hoodie. One minute you claim we talk "rough talk" then complain we are "bourgoise"etc etc well we walked the talk here in Camden and if you don't believe that ask John Coyne....
If you really are "antifash" you would have more of a clue about Camden and more support for the communities here. As for "not helping the poor" We ARE THE POOR you fucking prick.
anon
You want to find out why?
30.01.2010 17:30
Find out who is the head of MI5,
Find out his relations to David Irving, Find out his family's investment in foreign oil, in arms industries, find out his past actions as a UK UN official, dig a little deeper and there will be no questions left.
Black Hole
You want to find out why?
30.01.2010 17:30
Find out who is the head of MI5,
Find out his relations to David Irving, Find out his family's investment in foreign oil, in arms industries, find out his past actions as a UK UN official, dig a little deeper and there will be no questions left.
Black Hole
You want to find out why?
30.01.2010 17:36
Find out what is his relations with David Irving, Find out what family investments he has, what oil and arms businesses they are running, find out what was his supporting role for the Iraq war as the UK rep. in the UN, find out all of his actions at this position, find out these and there will not be any questions left
Black Hole
To "real antifash" [Camden Police/MI5] it's a BIG victory for council tenants!
30.01.2010 18:06
One of the residents living near to the pub, in a council flat, was prescribed sleeping tablets because of the noise and tranquilizers becuase of anxiety caused by living near the pub.
Children who need to go to school were kept awake all night.
When you say we know litlle of Camden etc, we do in fact live here and some of us were born here, brought up on council estates and still live on council estates or in housing association flats. Some of us are White, some of us are Asian and some of us are Black and Mixed Race.
It took all sorts of people from across Camden to get the landlord John Coyne out of the pub and thse people were from many different backgrounds.
With regard to your "wild accusations" I take it that you refer to the police going into Bar Uno and telling them that they are not allowed to play reggae following the closure of the Oh! Bar, this is true and the staff there will condfirm this as will others.
With regard to MI5 and their persecution of the Somali community, this is well documented and even Crimestoppers have, on their own website, criticised MI5 and their treatment of Somali people, especially Somali youth in Camden. This was covered in at least three articles in the Independent neswpaper when community leaders form the Kentish Town Community Association spoke out.
With regard to the way we write [and you seem a bit mixed up here] which you describe as "Daily Mail / Guardian / Tabloidism" etc, it might gall you to realise that some of us on council estates and from "non white communities" [we are A COMMUNITY around here] can read and write and that some of us have even been to university but hey...whatever.
As for us being from bourgoise-liberal backgrounds I'm sure that most of the people living on the council estate on Leighton Road next to the pub and on the estate we live on will piss themselves laughing at that.
I'm wondering when you say that we "don't know anything about Camden" if you mean that we don't know what it's like to police the place...thankfully not PC Sour Grapes.
Camden Antifash
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MI5 are still active in Kentish Town according to accounts from residents
02.02.2010 13:33
anon
to "realantifash"
03.02.2010 16:01
TOUT!
anon