Gun fears over Camden "Super Virus Lab"

always bloody do it. This is beyond noob, beyond crazy, provaction to humanity, good article, great bloody point. They say its safe, what about transfer of the virus material into central to london to be tested at the facility, theyve probably convinced most of mets finest seniors about how bullet proof the facility is, though of course accidents happen, but what about transportation through the most heavily congested city in Britian.

The police have written vague letters saying they are concerned about the lab but they are working for a government that is heavily funded by the pharmaceutical industry. When the British Transport Police have to knock on doors on council estates to find out from campaigners whether or not there is a "genuine concern" about the lab then it is time for ALL of us to get very, very concerned. As I've said before, if they didn't know what is going on at this stage, then what else won't they be told about this lab?

The newspapers etc have made alot of noise about protests by "animal rights extremist terrorists" and of course the idea of a combination of very angry Londoners and animal rights protesters who will join forces to protetst about the lab is a good reason to oppose planning permission, but the biggest threat comes from the lab itself...virus leaks for example and the very real threat that innocent people could become victims of trigger happy police, of bio hazards being transported through Camden and Islington and the thought of what would hsppen in an emergncy such as a pathogen leak which doesn't even bear thinking about.

...how they want to build it in Camden and not somewhere full of rich people, like Henley or Kensington

... many people in AR but was told not to worry as it "won't go ahead", which as far as I'm concerned is bs! I knew this would happen, so why didn't people listen & help stop it BEFORE planning permission was got??!

Thanks for posting this, it CAN'T go ahead!!!

I agree with that last point also. Worse still people were told "not to go on a demo" which turned out to be not just a demo but an onformative deputation and meeting at the Town Hall in Camden which was attended by local people and AR activists who stood side by side on the steps of the Town Hall.

We can't just "wait and see" and leave things until it is too late. Helia Evans {secratary for the Somers Town residents association} has said that is "going to take more than a cuople of councillors to stop this" and she is right. She has also said that she is looking forward to seeing groups such as Rhythms of Resistance and people from the Animal Rights at the Town Hall again for a demo. I've suggested that we also march from there to the British Library and down to the National Temperance site and back again, if she agrees.

Also a word about the "Animal Rights Extremist Terrorists" moniker....this has come from wild stories mostly in the Daily Mail. One such story is thus :

"Animal Rights Monsters Ruined My Marriage" - Daily Mail

A man from the pharmaceutical industry persuaded his wife that she should move out of the house saying that "animal rights extremist terrorists" had broken in, chopped all the heads off of their daffodils and that the SAS were coming to patrol the garden and that it was best that she left to stay with her mother.
She went to the Daily Mail and they printed this across two whole pages. Personally I think her husband was taking the piss somewhat...

Next time the Somers Town Devious Double Agent is telling the Somers Town Peoples forum that the Guradian, Camden New Journal, Evening Standard and London Lite and thelondonpaper "should not be read by them any more because they are guilty of sloppy journalism" because they voiced very real security fears around the lab, I suggest she reads this Daily Mail gem.

Other people who have been accused of "terrorism" are Keith Mann who was sent to prison for exposing illegal cosmetic Botox experiments and branded a "terrorist" for doing so. Mel Broughton was accused of having "bombs" which turned out to be sparklers left over from fireworks day. Mel had his home smashed to pieces by police over this....and was then remanded for months before being freed. The police leaked stories to the press saying that he had "incendiary devices / explosives" which became "bombs".
Another incident was when the police made out that "Animal Rights Extremist Terrorists" had "planted a bomb" in a courtroom and then locked everybody IN....with "the bomb", not just AR people...EVERYBODY. Obviously there was no bomb. {They also got caught plotting to use babies buggies with babies in, as part of a dirty war against AR activists}.

As for myself...apart from that unfortunate moment with the security men from Goldman Sachs everyone who knows me is aware that when confronted with the run away temper of a genuinely scary person I'm more likely to burst into tears and clear off for a while than respond with "extremist terrorism" .....this term is used pretty much tongue in cheek by Animal Rights campaigners....and real people know this. However this doesn't stop Middle England loving stories about the SAS saving their plants from "animal rights extremist terrorists" and the Daily Mail from indulging them. ....having said that, I do not underestimate the genuine and growing anger around this particular lab and I fear that this campaign is going to be like no other....I just hope that it does not get planning permission for so many reasons. .....

Just so this is clear, no-one who wrote any of this is threatening to shoot anyone from the lab or the people involved in designing it. The point is that it it is a very ill thought out idea that the area simply doesn't need and should be opposed.

I know I asked you to write something for me on here {i.e. the above} but please be a bit more careful next time with how you write it......thanks - Mandy x

People on the estates around the Brill Place site have already suffered enough with the building of the rail link. More building from something so unpopular is the last straw. Why can't they build something that is for the community, anything, housing, community facilites like a sports centre or even a leisure complex, entertainment, anything but a dangerous "viral holding centre" that poses a threat to everybody living near here. We will have heavy lorries, dust, noise, more builders, haevy plant machinery and the finally a hideous, unwanted lab that no-one around here wants.
Anyone that has seen what can happen when things go wrong with these places won't want it. Why can't they put it where some of these boffins live? They wouldn't.

What about the kids who live on the estate who will have no choice but to play near armed police patrolling the lab? Why can't something be built for them instead?
How would the Ivory Tower decision makers like it if their kids had to live and play next to something so dangerous? And what if, just IF an armed police officer mistakes a child playing with a toy gun for someone holding the real thing...? OPPOSE THIS LAB!

The lab doesn't yet have planning permission. Write, phone or email Camden Council and oppose planning permission. I agree that more should have been done by now. Unfortunately a decsion was made by the top tier of animals rights activists that "nothing was to be done" until they go for planning permission.
....But a demo was held by locals, London Against Camden Danger Lab and AR people. Thankfully people did in fact go and it was a good one.

Well done to Mandy and co for organising it and bothering to do SOMETHING rather than nothing.

There is a really good photo in the Camden New Journal.

Question. When is anyone else going to do anything? Are you just going to leave it until the lab is built like Oxford?

What if one of these couriers is carrying Bird Flu or anthrax through Kings Cross to this lab? This lab is an extremely stupid idea and should be opposed.

The UK is in the grip of the worst flu epidemic for 10 years. People are being told not to call ambulances which are being backed up as a result. People are on trolleys in hospital corridors and operations are being cancelled. Last year 22,000 people died of flu.

The deadly proposed "28 Days Later" lab is likely to be level 3 facility containing Bird Flu.
Recent research shows that the flu epidemic of 1918 came from mutated bird flu. Forty million people died....this was in the days before the underground and the channel tunnel.

Please oppose planning permission for this. WHEREVER you live.

To oppose planning permission, contact Camden Council, Camden Town Hall, Judd Street, Camden London WC1

Obviously while the comments following this article were written in a jokey manner the fears around the lab which should not be underestimated and should be taken very very seriously.

Samantha

While some of these postings might seem inappropiate, it is a local people's campaign which means that everyone has the right to campign against the lab.
Some people might think that it's OK to put alb on a council estate where all the people "are benefit scum" or "probably crackheads" or whatever....which is unfortunately the attitude of the people who want to put the lab in Camden.
It should be pointed out that any virus leak wiil affect averyone in the area including middle class commuters.....

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 http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/BLISS-Lab

contact Camden Council
Camden Town Hall
Judd Street
Camden
London
WC1

Steven Brennan is no longer in this campaign in any capacity. He knows why.

There is a meeting Tuesday 7th April, Housmans Bookshop, 5 Caledonian Road, Kings Cross, London N1.
6 pm.

Sorry.