Recent information at least re-opens questions about "accepted" bits of the "historical" past. The intervention of those with pots of cash to spend on gumshoe types, either trying to smear, frame, or associate sensible-sounding types with "fire-breathing terrorists" is at least matched by the frequency of the same sort of paid gumshoe types ( sometimes touting for work, or whipping up "customers" paranoia to play a bit of "tail-wag-dog" ) setting up entirely "owned" false-flag operations, occasionally by dropping their people into a group then pushing serious/sensible people out ( either with a bit of character smearing, the accusal of them as "agent provocateurs", or wearing them down - or worse. . . . ) - but at times with entirely created groups - sometimes with several different "depths" (for when people unwittingly dragged into them saw through one layer of the spin!)
This piece is the opposite of a witch-hunt incitement - its most likely that almost always trying to "unmask" people is a waste of effort - or played at people by the actual dodgy types. But, with a less centralist structure, a lot of social movements these days are THEORETICALLY more immune to the actual bad EFFECTS of this factor.
Thought it worthwhile to have a bit of a discussion about it all though, seeing as "old" history is quite a surprise when this side of the past is added back into the equations. . . .( e.g. - according to the actual documents of the old french office of the Tsars secret police, that found their way to the cia by way of the ambassador, were looked through in the 60s to get used as a sort of "discussion of spying by spies" in their internal magazine (!) [ then put on their archive site after FOIA requests, declassified in the late 1990s ] - when Lenin asked his old london private secretary to chat to the head of the bolshevik deputies in the "duma" (parliament) of the provisional government in 1917 when there was a rumour of spies in their midst, to settle upon the person who should investigate these claims . . . . all the people in that story were on the payroll of the Tsars police except Lenin !
. . . . food for thought, wondering if others have seriously documented bits to add, or WIDE-type thoughts about all this sort of malarkey! See comments ! Cheers !
see also a few "remember each eleventh" bits
Thought it worthwhile to have a bit of a discussion about it all though, seeing as "old" history is quite a surprise when this side of the past is added back into the equations. . . .( e.g. - according to the actual documents of the old french office of the Tsars secret police, that found their way to the cia by way of the ambassador, were looked through in the 60s to get used as a sort of "discussion of spying by spies" in their internal magazine (!) [ then put on their archive site after FOIA requests, declassified in the late 1990s ] - when Lenin asked his old london private secretary to chat to the head of the bolshevik deputies in the "duma" (parliament) of the provisional government in 1917 when there was a rumour of spies in their midst, to settle upon the person who should investigate these claims . . . . all the people in that story were on the payroll of the Tsars police except Lenin !
. . . . food for thought, wondering if others have seriously documented bits to add, or WIDE-type thoughts about all this sort of malarkey! See comments ! Cheers !
see also a few "remember each eleventh" bits
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