WORTH RECORDING OR CATCHING "LISTEN AGAIN" - USA COUP, 1930s.
"DOCUMENT" shows the "cocked-up conspiracy" theories are often nearer the facts. . . . conspirators, those that play "opinion influencers" to twist "customers" into "patsies", too often, researchers too, seem to prefer the "lumin-arse" tales of "secret control" when very often the "F**K-ER-UPPERS" F*** UP most of all.
"DOCUMENT" shows the "cocked-up conspiracy" theories are often nearer the facts. . . . conspirators, those that play "opinion influencers" to twist "customers" into "patsies", too often, researchers too, seem to prefer the "lumin-arse" tales of "secret control" when very often the "F**K-ER-UPPERS" F*** UP most of all.
8pm, today, document, R4
Some of the minutes were "cleaned up" from the congressional documents, but a journalist in the 1960s rewrote the witnesses tales with the support of congressional staff. . . . this programme mightnt include all those details, but without them, it remains a suspicious pattern, seen in europe, south america, the middle east, at other times too - so the idea that this criminal scam was a "one-off" is absurd, when the other background of 1930s USA "pseudo-group" use was put out at the time when Bogie played a character from one of THOSE courtcases.
Yes, THAT "getting away with it" myth also exploded, the "supermen" minions shown as the easy-to-expend fall-guys they were always set-up as. . . . as the "document" programmes show, so too were the people that thought they were the "paymasters" for the op.
What the programme might omit - much of the enquiry did, was the overlap in detail, spin, people too, with the inept, dodgy criminal bunglers of the tsars secret polices overseas network, that spun the "protocols of the elders of zion" fakes to the Tsar, to try to get "their" dodgy tame puppet priest "nilus" to replace the Tsars favourite, ( a total failure of a "cunning plot" that caused the chief plotter to get the sack - although it was the plotters boss - who had a jewish-sounding name - that the plot was trying to get sacked ). These were used later - after a few other utter fuck-ups of "cunning plots" - in a last gasp attempt to spin the european powers into war with russia (after the failure of the "trash the sensible seeming post-WW1 government - that was working with the USAs president to try to create a "League of Nations" ( with "teeth", courts, etc- ie - that might have worked ) by machinating a "bolshie revolution" then riding into town with the "hard duke" (in pocket) who was set-up to swap sides all of a sudden, storm in from the north, quell the usurpers, then govern to the tune of our happy plotters - a sort of new Tsar, but in a less liberal way . . . . he swept in, but people werent into that either. (understatement)) Hence idiot plotters exiled to europe, USA, etc, to try to pull the occasional string of "bolshie" types ( see CIA open-access documents, the Cohen book re. protocols etc - its good research, with references ) , then discover new idiot "customers" as they used what we might call "snake oil charmer" techniques, as jumped-up covert "opinion-influencers "for hire" as different bits of those old networks of "dual-operators" went different ways, all tried to come up with glorious lies about the past.
( alt USA memo - it was, as it happens, a pre-1913 UK-USA group of gumshoes that records the earliest use of the "luminarse" cover for people they dropped into unions to try to cause provocations - if they were found out they were to claim that, yes, they were employed by the bosses, but their bunch was - in secret - the inheritor of the enlightenment era debating societies that people such as Franklin were in - hence the "all-seeing eye" at the front door of Pinkertons - who in his youth was set up as a provocateur amongst the campaigners for parliamenrary reform in the 1830s, then had to flee after discovery! This bunch of gumshoes went straight(ish) after that, but the idea was re-used later by others, whose frequent preference for "diabolic" cheap stooges meant they put halloween into the name of their French gumshoe operation after that HQ was shut down by parliament - in 1913 - after the discovery they had used the shortcut of recruiting puppet "terrorists" to alert the authorities to as they engineered geopolitics to create the "russo-french concordat" - with the suspicion that actual terror bombs were set up by them to get them "in" with the Surete. )
worth catching the prog, discuss here after?
comments later. . . .
la
Some of the minutes were "cleaned up" from the congressional documents, but a journalist in the 1960s rewrote the witnesses tales with the support of congressional staff. . . . this programme mightnt include all those details, but without them, it remains a suspicious pattern, seen in europe, south america, the middle east, at other times too - so the idea that this criminal scam was a "one-off" is absurd, when the other background of 1930s USA "pseudo-group" use was put out at the time when Bogie played a character from one of THOSE courtcases.
Yes, THAT "getting away with it" myth also exploded, the "supermen" minions shown as the easy-to-expend fall-guys they were always set-up as. . . . as the "document" programmes show, so too were the people that thought they were the "paymasters" for the op.
What the programme might omit - much of the enquiry did, was the overlap in detail, spin, people too, with the inept, dodgy criminal bunglers of the tsars secret polices overseas network, that spun the "protocols of the elders of zion" fakes to the Tsar, to try to get "their" dodgy tame puppet priest "nilus" to replace the Tsars favourite, ( a total failure of a "cunning plot" that caused the chief plotter to get the sack - although it was the plotters boss - who had a jewish-sounding name - that the plot was trying to get sacked ). These were used later - after a few other utter fuck-ups of "cunning plots" - in a last gasp attempt to spin the european powers into war with russia (after the failure of the "trash the sensible seeming post-WW1 government - that was working with the USAs president to try to create a "League of Nations" ( with "teeth", courts, etc- ie - that might have worked ) by machinating a "bolshie revolution" then riding into town with the "hard duke" (in pocket) who was set-up to swap sides all of a sudden, storm in from the north, quell the usurpers, then govern to the tune of our happy plotters - a sort of new Tsar, but in a less liberal way . . . . he swept in, but people werent into that either. (understatement)) Hence idiot plotters exiled to europe, USA, etc, to try to pull the occasional string of "bolshie" types ( see CIA open-access documents, the Cohen book re. protocols etc - its good research, with references ) , then discover new idiot "customers" as they used what we might call "snake oil charmer" techniques, as jumped-up covert "opinion-influencers "for hire" as different bits of those old networks of "dual-operators" went different ways, all tried to come up with glorious lies about the past.
( alt USA memo - it was, as it happens, a pre-1913 UK-USA group of gumshoes that records the earliest use of the "luminarse" cover for people they dropped into unions to try to cause provocations - if they were found out they were to claim that, yes, they were employed by the bosses, but their bunch was - in secret - the inheritor of the enlightenment era debating societies that people such as Franklin were in - hence the "all-seeing eye" at the front door of Pinkertons - who in his youth was set up as a provocateur amongst the campaigners for parliamenrary reform in the 1830s, then had to flee after discovery! This bunch of gumshoes went straight(ish) after that, but the idea was re-used later by others, whose frequent preference for "diabolic" cheap stooges meant they put halloween into the name of their French gumshoe operation after that HQ was shut down by parliament - in 1913 - after the discovery they had used the shortcut of recruiting puppet "terrorists" to alert the authorities to as they engineered geopolitics to create the "russo-french concordat" - with the suspicion that actual terror bombs were set up by them to get them "in" with the Surete. )
worth catching the prog, discuss here after?
comments later. . . .
la