Stop The Fascist EDL from marching in Dudley this Saturday 3rd April!

Anyone who doubts the racism (and links to fascism) of the EDL only need to spend a few minutes looking at their comments openly posted on Facebook, You Tube, internet forums, and Stormfront.

Here's a very brief example......

 http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs450.ash1/24800_108435325852059_100000567765205_161171_6022981_n.jpg

And note that Mark Lawson has his interests listed as BNP/EDL activism.

 http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#!/profile.php?id=100000914543026&ref=search&sid=630601664.3102514660..1

Sadly the UAF won't ensure Dudley is a fascist free zone next Saturday. They will be penned in by the police and attacked if they try to break out of the space that the UAF, the police, and EDL have agreed on. Hopefully local people will get there early and remain mobile to ensure that any racist attacks on people or property can be met with self defensive actions by the local community standing up in numbers to a far right racist streey army.

Be careful. And stay alert. After the Bolton demo a man was stabbed by EDL supporters.

 http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/5077173.Man_at_pub____stabbed_by_league_supporters___/

Stay outside the police kettle, and DON'T fly and Hammer and Sickle flags or other authoritarian Communist bullshit (unless you WANT to hand the EDL a PR victory)

Nazi Protestors are definitely EDL -
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HrS8Fmx2ho

EDL admit their leader's BNP -
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm8lTdh_bwk

Remember a battering from the pigs and getting arretsed is a small price to pay for anti-fascism.

We're doing it right.

We should all stand shoulder to shoulder with weyman bennett and pay his fine.

Shut up you Muppet. Being kettled by the police is not achieving anything. I was in Bolton, and helped when I could. But managed to get out of kettle. Two points -
1 - Weyman should not pay his fine on principle, as many people choose to do. Or if paid, UAF Should pay everyone's fine that day.
2- best for people to stay mobile out of kettle away from police. Look at Glasgow and edinburgh both times mass mobile groups of anti-fascists prevented the EDL/SDL from gathering and marching.
And if you can pick off and lame ducks, all the better.

Yeah it's essential NOT to get penned in. Do your homework, look at past experiences. It is pointless just standing in a penned off area agreed in advance with the police and the EDL. That's not "ant fascism". It is conceding that the "streets aren't ours" before the demo has even started. We need to stay mobile, and defend our community from any signs of racism or violence.

There's no doubt what the EDL are about.

This is one example amongst thousands of racist remarks on Facebook / You Tube / Stormfront....

 http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs450.ash1/24800_108435325852059_100000567765205_161171_6022981_n.jpg

And look at the shite they right on their home page about Unite. I thought they existed to protest against Islamic terrorism.... now they are attacking workers on strike too! Cunts!

@Bobsleigh who warns everyone to
Stay outside the police kettle -
28.03.2010 21:36

he warns people to "stay outside the police kettle, and DON'T fly and Hammer and Sickle flags..."
... like people are really worried about the red flag.....like maybe Bobsleigh is the boss around here and is the only one making a fuss, like he tells people what they can and cannot do...like he fucking owns the place and has some authority..... He is clearly more worried about a PR victory for EDL..which the EDL have already without red flags present .... he is giving them one already before the demo has even started.
What can you possibly mean by a hammer and sickle giving the EDL a PR victory? Sounds quite absurd really...unless he can explain it. (I doubt it)
He has probably warned the police as well that communists may turn up and start hurling half bricks at the EDL along with a few molotov cocktails and that the police need to be ready for them. Bob agrees that communism poses a greater threat than fascism as it advocated directly dealing with nazism. But we see little of this in Britian so whats Bob worried about? Bob would probably rather see nazi salutes than a hammer and sickle? Maybe. Although i do agree, that we should not be kettled.

Replying to Jon no of course I don't have any "authority" and never claimed I did. I have my opinion, as an individual, as you do too. My suggestion that protestors might want to avoid getting caught inside a police kettle is hardly rocket-science, as inside a kettle is exactly where the police WANT anti-Fascist protestors to be, so that that anti-Fascists can be contained, controlled and directed away from the EDL and BNP by the police. Seriously, do you actually DISAGREE with that suggestion?

And Jon yes of course explaining how anyone a flying Hammer and Sickle flag at an Anti-Fascist counter-protest gives the EDL a PR victory is EXTREMELY SIMPLE TO EXPLAIN.

Extreme left symbolism allows the EDL to present themselves as victims of a hard-left conspiracy, rather than as people whose hooliganism and whose connections with Fascists disgust ordinary members of the public. Extreme left symbolism allows the EDL to misrepresent their opponents as supporters of the sort of Stalinist, Maoist, Trotskyist and/or Leninist brutality and authoritarianism that is distrusted by ordinary people as much as most people distrust Fascism. And no of course I have not "warned the police as well that communists may turn up and start hurling half bricks at the EDL along with a few molotov cocktails" and the fact Jon is reduced to pretending I "probably" have speaks for itself!!!

As for the important issue - I never had difficulty avoiding police kettles - just keep looking over your shoulder and if you see a police line forming behind you a/ walk through it quickly before the police have the numbers to block you b/ shout out a loud and clear warning to your comrades to move fast to avoid being penned in. Stay vigilant and keep moving :)

Great comments dudley dave, I agree we need to be disciplined & if EDL attack us detain or defend ourselves.
Would wind up far less people if we made less vague chants of whose streets "our" streets & police protect the nazis when it isnt so black & white, its definteley a mix.
Lots of love

concerning being kettled by police

you ask "Seriously, do you actually DISAGREE with that suggestion?"

If you had read my comment before you posted your response you would have read at the end "i do agree, that we should not be kettled."

Concerning red flags and all other manner of symbolism you may like to catogorise a "extremist" appearing at demos, well you could argue in favour of banning the red flag altogether in that case, then play right into the hands of the European far-right and nazis sympythizers who are power in some of republics of eastern europe (Baltic) who seek to criminalise communist symbolism. I am sure the EDL etc would love that too. Now you may agree with the banning of communist symbolics and you may feel red flags should not appear at any demos in Britain, or anywhere for that fact, because you personally dont support it, (fine, its your personal opinion) but i don't subscribe to that particular view, and i believe it to be of personal opinion how one see communist symbolica. The far right have been gaining popularity in this country not because there is a "communist conspirosy" (EDL propganda) or that there are red flags flying everywhere (i dont see many actually) but because the very system communists seek to overthrow actually breeds racism and fascism. Surely that is not the biggest threat to capitalism and its fascist trappings? Surely one lone red flag appearing in sea of trot, burnt out leftist propganda is not going to change the world... or does it really threaten the leftist movement in this country? I wonder how many in the left as well as the right would like to see the criminilisation communist symbolics?

Speaking as an Anti-Fascist whose relatives suffered terrible anti-Semitism under the Communist regime in Soviet Russia, I can honestly say Jon's opinion about how Communism seeks to "overthrow" the system/s that breed racism can be taken with a big pinch of salt. As for me allegedly wishing to "ban" the Red Flag I never said that and the fact that Jon's reduced to pretending I did illustrates exactly the point I'm trying to make - Hammer and Sickle merchants understand contemporary politics about as well as Jon understood my original post, and conspicuously displaying hard-left symbolism at Anti-Fascist demos DOES help the EDL, so please don't

A lot of the rank and file EDL at demos probably don’t even have clue about communism anyway, apart from what they are fed from their “masters”. In fact I could go as far and say, that if most of these EDL rank and filers feel so enraged and excluded in society because they live unemployed or on run down estates without a future, them something like Soviet power or communism could be an attractive option to them….But their EDL bosses would never go along with that since they stand for the power of capital and hate leftism or workers’ struggles etc preferring to label anything remotely leftist as “communist”. They prefer to play the Muslim or race card.

Over 20 million lives lost in the Soviet Union in the struggle against fascism….ring any bells…Bobsleigh? Or maybe equating “Stalinism” and Nazism? I am sorry, but what your saying sounds like you feel some bitterness towards communism over your personal grievance over relatives suffering in Soviet Russia. That’s understandable…Many people feel bitter over one thing or another….may be they were innocent….or maybe they were not. I am against accesses and violations that took place in that country too. Generalising the issue and blaming “communism” completely gives a blurred and distorted view on history. However a careful study of the processes at the time reveal differently. I know Jews in Russia who lived very well under Soviet rule. Both men and women had equal rights. They had very good jobs especially as intelligentsia and personally suffered no persecution because they were Jews. They did very well out of the system. In fact there are many Muslims that live in Russia and also did not suffer mistreatment either. They weren’t forced to wear veils etc and there was no radical Muslim fundamentalism, and racism was banned under Soviet law. But of course if you create the conditions for it to breed, i.e. restore capitalism in Russia, then it will breed. Under Soviet power, an African or Asian could walk the streets of Moscow without fear, and study freely. But today, he or she is the target of fascists….and not to talk of the Muslims and Asians that also get attacked and murdered regularly. Surely you should know these facts. The conditions have been restored in that country that breeds this kind of thing. All of it is happening not under the Red Flag, but under the Russian tri-colour pro-Vlasov flag who betrayed the USSR for Nazism. Your attacks on Hammer and Sickle “merchants” as you like to describe them win you no support from many ordinary Soviet people who lived far better under Soviet power than they do under capitalism today, except if you are an oligarch, and in fact they are an insult to them. Maybe you lack true understanding concerning Soviet history or just another middle class “merchant” of petty bourgeois ideas.

as towards using the communist flag if you look at pics of anti bnp do in heanor there are pics of me carrying the flag . why should we be scared of using it against the edl (football hooligang thugs nothing else). i am proud to fly it.with what is happening to the country, now is the best time ever to turn people to our view of politics.