The officer's tone was relatively polite, friendly and reasonable and there were no penalties associated with noncompliance. The threats were only subtle: Aside from the fact that it was the campaigner's personal phone number that was used, the officer, having performed some (perfunctory) background research, the officer was able to slip a few pieces of personal information into the conversation. At one point, he joked that phoning the campaigner was "less embarassing than appearing next to you."
Mike from Special Branch was asking the campaigner to be a grass. Whether or not the "chat" would have been about the Olympics or any other issue, he would have tried to get as much information out of the campaigner as possible, putting them in a situation in which it would have been very difficult to avoid endangering themself and their friends.
The campaigner has absolutely no intention of meeting with or "having a chat" about anything with "Mike" or any other policeman. No matter how polite or how threatening they are to you, no matter whether it is in "the cafe of your choosing" or in a prison cell, speaking to the police is *never* a good idea.
If the police phone you, do not agree to meet up with them. Though they might not be putting you in a difficult or frightening situation now, at any moment the friendly veneer can drop and they can begin making life unpleasant for you. Don't give them the opportunity to do this. The only thing that could be gained by meeting with someone like Mike from Special Branch is the satisfaction of your curiosity, and this is not enough to justify the danger in which you would be putting yourself and the people around you. Grasses, informants and infiltrators are tools of the police: being put in this position can only be harmful to you and your comrades.
The best thing to do is to say that you are not interested and get on with your life and activities. Don't let them scare you: if they find out you aren't going to be helpful, then that's that.
It's also good to be open about the fact, making it harder for the police to isolate you as well as more difficult for them to be able to use you. Tell other people, in order to have support from your friends and make the experience easier to handle sensibly. Even posting the fact that you have been approached on Indymedia can be a good idea, so others know that there are dodgy scumbags giving people nasty phone calls asking them to do disgusting things :-)
For more information on being contacted by the police: www.freebeagles.org/articles/grass.html
A useful article
05.12.2008 13:37
George Coombs
You got that right
05.12.2008 14:51
Never, ever, ever, ever talk to the police.
Evey Hammond
red herrings
05.12.2008 14:59
tactical support officer
The police arent all scum, they do work for a undemocratic system though,
05.12.2008 15:04
Any police who really want to serve & protect democracy should help arrest people who start illegal oil wars& their nazi allies for a start or those that deliberately allow 100,000,000 people to die unnecessarily in poverty every decade, check UN figures & NSC population control programmes. If you want to arrest people like Henry Kissinger or David Rockefeller & humanely hold them to justice, you can call me again I would then love to go to a Forest Match with you away or home.
Universal Confederalist
The call was most likely from the press or media not the police!
05.12.2008 15:11
The media are always hungry for stories and reports before a big action or a big protest and this latest incident was probably a journalist interested in the up coming national climate change march.
Activist
joke?????
05.12.2008 15:25
ahah ah u know my name anyway
confused
05.12.2008 16:28
pete
Same old
05.12.2008 16:39
anon
lost opportunity
05.12.2008 17:11
But, hardly likely an officer from Special Branch would call and say hi it's Mick from Special Branch, let's have a chat.
More likely someone taking the Mick!
Keith
or arrange to meet
05.12.2008 19:29
if this happens often enough they may be less inclined to try in the future
copwatcher
Special branch
05.12.2008 20:25
Special branch was, in London, combined with the anti-terrorism branch a while ago. See the fuss about "anti-terrorist" officers and Damien Green recently.
Me
Special breakfast
05.12.2008 22:10
Slip him a (magic) mushroom omelet and then let him chat away till the cows come home ..
Pasta Funghetti
Sensible
06.12.2008 10:02
I strongly suspect that a certain group is trying to downplay the impact of the story - I wonder who othat could be...
It appears that Indymedia is increasingly becoming a sparing-ground between the protestors and their opponents.
I have been approached by special branch directly, and others have been approached to grass against me. The police approach people all the time - grasses are for them a cheep and effective way of getting information and breaking up groups, and their use is well documented by CAAT, Greenpeace, McLibel, Evelyn Lubbers and others. Animal Rights have been dealing with them succcessfully for many years now as well.
It is a common tactic to approach people to be a grass on people in different movements - using their creditals in one group to ease their joining of another, and so on.
What is most interesting here, is that the police are preparing already to investigate and counter groups campaigning against the Olympics - this is a positive sign as far as I'm concerned, as long as people do not do what the police would like most, for us all to duck and run.
For more on dealing with infiltrators and grasses check out the activistsecurity handbook at www.activistsecurity.org
Remember, it is your right to say no. Having been through the mill on this one, my advice is to listen politely to the police - more often than not you pick up more about the state of their intelligence on you (often flawed in my experience), then politely say no. I know someone who did string them along and feed them false information - it was a harrowing experience for them, and not something that would ever be recommended as a path worth going down.
Finally, I agree whole heartedly with the original posters comment about being open about being approached. Always best to get in there first. People who have been approached should be offered support - it's a distasteful experience, but it is a sign that we are doing something useful to upset the powers that be.
Have fun...
FTP
But...
06.12.2008 13:10
Hmmm
Who's the special branch nut?
06.12.2008 16:52
Interested
police
06.12.2008 17:45
Interesting that hardly anyone is picking up on the fact that the police are interested in anti-olympics campaigns.
unnecessary
RE: Heads up
07.12.2008 08:13
Companero
Comment withdrawn
07.12.2008 14:33
As Indymedia is moderated by volunteers with limited time, and a wish to have the 'lightest tough', requests to withdraw comments can rarely by taken on board.
It goes without saying that everyone should resist enquiry from anyone you do not know and trust, regarding personal campaigning activities, whether from a potential police or corporate snoop, or from a supposedly well-meaning, but misguided person.
It may be possible that discrete enquiries may be made at Sumac, although in the interests of security and privacy it is likely that the matter may have been entrusted to a limited number of people.
I trust that this action is appropriate and proportional. We are assured that the matter will be pursued with vigour and if appropriate reported back here in due course.
NottsIMC